clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 19:03
Can’t see it happening but both will fancy it.
Usyk beats seven shades of poo out of Miller. He’s going to light that fat lump up.
I cannot understand how anyone (and there's a few) who think Usyk will beat all these top HW's when the poor guy hasn't even moved up yet. How many great LHW and CW's in history tried and failed even though they were dominant in their respective divisions. I'm a huge fan of Usyk, but I have some concerns when he moves up. It's not going to be that easy.
But Miller isn't a top HW
He is a good self promoter who has been matched extremely well.
It dosent mean he is a top HW at all. The only top HW I might pick him beating is Whyte if he can hang in there for 10 rounds and stop Whyte late. Usyk is a different kettle of fish. Look at Holyfield, small heavy with enough skills and a good enough chin to move up and have decent suscess, I rate Usyk almost as highly, so he has to at least have a good chance against a puffed up on paper Miller, doesn't he?
clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 19:03
Can’t see it happening but both will fancy it.
Usyk beats seven shades of poo out of Miller. He’s going to light that fat lump up.
I cannot understand how anyone (and there's a few) who think Usyk will beat all these top HW's when the poor guy hasn't even moved up yet. How many great LHW and CW's in history tried and failed even though they were dominant in their respective divisions. I'm a huge fan of Usyk, but I have some concerns when he moves up. It's not going to be that easy.
But Miller isn't a top HW
He is a good self promoter who has been matched extremely well.
It dosent mean he is a top HW at all. The only top HW I might pick him beating is Whyte if he can hang in there for 10 rounds and stop Whyte late. Usyk is a different kettle of fish. Look at Holyfield, small heavy with enough skills and a good enough chin to move up and have decent suscess, I rate Usyk almost as highly, so he has to at least have a good chance against a puffed up on paper Miller, doesn't he?
Fair points on Miller. He talks his way to the top and fights majorly in mismatches now. Even plans to do it more with his challenges for WBA Regular paper belt.
Usyk has definitely much more of class. However, he isn't likely to emerge in a way similar to Holyfield's one. Usyk is a boxer, Holyfield was a boxer-brawler. Usyk's approach to the HWs should be different, as his inside game isn't proven just to really exist, not even to be as good as Holyfield's. Evander had enough skills and tougness to trade with bigger guys, an exceptional case.
clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 19:03
Can’t see it happening but both will fancy it.
Usyk beats seven shades of poo out of Miller. He’s going to light that fat lump up.
I cannot understand how anyone (and there's a few) who think Usyk will beat all these top HW's when the poor guy hasn't even moved up yet. How many great LHW and CW's in history tried and failed even though they were dominant in their respective divisions. I'm a huge fan of Usyk, but I have some concerns when he moves up. It's not going to be that easy.
I'm not convinced usyk will clean out the heavies but I'm also not sure that Miller is even good.
After Hearn announces AJ v Whyte , Usky announces he is going to campaign at HW, automatically coming WBO mandatory, That is what makes it attractive to Miller , 1 win away from a guaranteed shot at AJ, a win for Usky does the same thing, I think it’s great matchmaking from Hearn and gives a AJ a September option if Fury or Wilder won’t fight
clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 19:03
Can’t see it happening but both will fancy it.
Usyk beats seven shades of poo out of Miller. He’s going to light that fat lump up.
I cannot understand how anyone (and there's a few) who think Usyk will beat all these top HW's when the poor guy hasn't even moved up yet. How many great LHW and CW's in history tried and failed even though they were dominant in their respective divisions. I'm a huge fan of Usyk, but I have some concerns when he moves up. It's not going to be that easy.
I'm not convinced usyk will clean out the heavies but I'm also not sure that Miller is even good.
When I say top, Miller is top 5/6 on face value. I've said repeatedly we don't know how Miller will be with a live body in front of him, but size wise, he's a bad choice for one's first foray into the HW division.
candyslim wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 04:18
I think Miller is totally wrong for Usyk. He's just too freakin' big. Usyk is a massively more talented boxer but I don't think that will help him. He made Joe Joyce look like the Mummy in their WSB fight, but Joyce is comparatively slow of hand and foot, and he is not a volume puncher. Usyk was able to use his speed and skills to have him punching air. I've a feeling he would do the same to Wilder.
Miller though will be swarming him, shoving him around, bullying him with his enormous bulk and although not the hardest of hitters, Miller will throw a lot of them and to a man conceding at least 75 lbs in weight, those punches are going to feel hard enough. He's not going to avoid them like he did Joyce's because they will be coming in bunches.
Usyk will feel like he's trying to stop a freight train with a pea-shooter and Miller will just keep on coming.
I am conscious that I may be hopelessly overrating Miller but until he tests himself against someone a level or two above Washington, Wach, Duhaupas, Adamek, Dinu, we are never going to know just how effective (or not) he can be. Until then I'll continue to back my judgement.
I think your over rating Miller, Slim.
And it is fitting you mention Usyk Vs Joyce. That was before Usyk became a pro! Look how much he has improved since then, and now he is under the guidance of "Poppa Loma" he can only get better. Miller is basic, sure he pressures fighters, but he is also easy to hit. Usyk has the legs to sidestep Miller's primitive come forward offensive and counter the crap out of him.
I think it would play out like David Tua Vs Evander Holyfield.
I hear you Kiwi and I wouldn't dismiss the possibility you could be right. Usyk is an unknown quantity at Heavyweight. Miller is too when it comes to where he slots into the top ten so we have little choice but to go with our instincts.
My instinct says to me that Miller has a very good chin and that attribute in conjunction with excellent punch volume which he definitely has and impressive stamina which he appears to have, creates a formidable combination which can overcome a superior technician. Factor in the massive weight differential and Usyk has a serious problem. I can't see Miller being even mildly inconvenienced by Usyk's power.
walter5 wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:03
There is a zero percent chance that the Miller team take a fight with Usyk. There's literally no upside for them.
There was no upside for them fighting Dinu, but they took that fight anyways. Dinu was a touted prospect for years, and he looked the goods in a lot of his fights. It was a huge wager to fight that man. It didn't help Miller either as he was outboxed before the stoppage.
Usyk is 6'3 and Miller is 6'4 so the size disparity is not as big as you would think. But Usyk will have massive advantages in speed and mobility. I would have to favor Usyk.
marvelous marv wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 14:23
Usyk is 6'3 and Miller is 6'4 so the size disparity is not as big as you would think. But Usyk will have massive advantages in speed and mobility. I would have to favor Usyk.
I cannot understand how anyone (and there's a few) who think Usyk will beat all these top HW's when the poor guy hasn't even moved up yet. How many great LHW and CW's in history tried and failed even though they were dominant in their respective divisions. I'm a huge fan of Usyk, but I have some concerns when he moves up. It's not going to be that easy.
I'm not convinced usyk will clean out the heavies but I'm also not sure that Miller is even good.
When I say top, Miller is top 5/6 on face value. I've said repeatedly we don't know how Miller will be with a live body in front of him, but size wise, he's a bad choice for one's first foray into the HW division.
walter5 wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:03
There is a zero percent chance that the Miller team take a fight with Usyk. There's literally no upside for them.
There was no upside for them fighting Dinu, but they took that fight anyways. Dinu was a touted prospect for years, and he looked the goods in a lot of his fights. It was a huge wager to fight that man. It didn't help Miller either as he was outboxed before the stoppage.
I'm not convinced usyk will clean out the heavies but I'm also not sure that Miller is even good.
When I say top, Miller is top 5/6 on face value. I've said repeatedly we don't know how Miller will be with a live body in front of him, but size wise, he's a bad choice for one's first foray into the HW division.
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 10:55
When I say top, Miller is top 5/6 on face value. I've said repeatedly we don't know how Miller will be with a live body in front of him, but size wise, he's a bad choice for one's first foray into the HW division.
I don't agree.
So you think Usyk should fight Miller?
Id prefer better than Miller, but if he's the best available;absolutely.
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 16:31
Fair enough. Call your first fight for Usyk.
Joshua, fury or wilder.
The most money I've ever made gambling was pac/Oscar. I believe in talent over size. I think usyk would clown fury, wilder too but that's more dangerous.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 16:32
Joshua, fury or wilder.
The most money I've ever made gambling was pac/Oscar. I believe in talent over size. I think usyk would clown fury, wilder too but that's more dangerous.
Big difference in size here vs Pac/Oscar. You're talking 75-100 LBS on a guy who (even though I can't really stand him) is pretty fleet of foot and hand for his enormity.
The most money I've ever made gambling was pac/Oscar. I believe in talent over size. I think usyk would clown fury, wilder too but that's more dangerous.
Big difference in size here vs Pac/Oscar. You're talking 75-100 LBS on a guy who (even though I can't really stand him) is pretty fleet of foot and hand for his enormity.
J.P wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:44
Very excited to hear that this is potentially in the works...
Where did you hear it? I heard Miller talking about who he wants to fight next and he was asked about Usyk and he quickly brushed him off saying he's too small. Didn't sound like someone hyping a fight.
