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Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 16:33
by apollo creed
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 16:26
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 08:13
apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 07:53
Notice how Charlo doesn't say nothing about his tamer Daniel Jacobs ? Like that dude ain't no top level or a known mw, wtf?! lol
We get it, you don’t like Jermall Charlo or his brother, but for fûcks sake, please stop going on about it!
Be a role model and stop going on about Golovkin who you clearly hate.
He clearly hates GGG as his posts suggest and he doesn't even accept that Charlo got boxed by Korobov.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 16:43
by apollo creed
Thomastearns wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 16:30
apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 07:53
Notice how Charlo doesn't say nothing about his tamer Daniel Jacobs ? Like that dude ain't no top level or a known mw, wtf?! lol
Yes, if Charlo wants to cash in, now that the going is getting tough, let him face Jacobs first or wait in line.
No one's earned another crack at the MW titles more than Danny Jacobs.
The crooked Canelo cartel finally stole the belts in 2018 and will spend 2019 avoiding any meaningful challenges leaving Jacobs and others on the outside looking in. Where are the mandatories when you really need them?
As for GGG, well he's a free agent right now and can fight who he chooses. If he wants Charlo, all well and good. Should be a cracker.
After the fight with Korobov, Charlo's stocks and hype have dropped pretty low, so I don't think any of the top dogs would think that he's a worthy option. Charlo should rematch Korobov and clear the waters.
As for Jacobs ,indeed he truly deserves a fight with Canelo.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 16:46
by Mexi-Box
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 15:05
apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 12:32
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 12:17
Why not rematch Korobov. Majority had him losing that fight. I've seen only very few so far that thought Charlo beat Korobov, which is only on this forum. I've not ran into anyone that thought Charlo won on another.
He needs to earn his place like Jacobs, Derevyanchenko, and BJS have. You don't get big fights mouthing off and getting schooled by half-retired, AARP-card-holding boxers.
True. That was my thought too. Rematch Korobov to clean the waters and then challenge Jacobs, bjs or even Andrade and then demand to fight the top dogs.
I don't understand how on this forum are some people that are acting like Charlo should get GGG or Canelo just bc luckily he still has that '0' on paper.
Who did GGG defeat to earn the right to engage in his very first world title bout at 160lbs?
Is it reasonable to assume that the Jermall Charlo is currently more qualified to challenge for a world title than the 2010 version of Gennady Golovkin (who had only competed in 18 pro bouts)?
Should Jermall Charlo be deemed as being a better qualified title challenger than the likes of Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma and Nobuhiro Ishida who all fought GGG for his WBA championship, despite possessing losing records?
Jermall Charlo defeated the middleweight division’s highest-ranked WBC title challenger when he stopped Jorge Sebastian Heiland within four rounds, which was a final eliminator to determine the mandatory challenger to face GGG (as confirmed by Mauricio Sulaiman himself).
He then became the WBC's interim 160-pound champion when he KO’d Hugo Centeno Jr. during his very next outing, a bout that was ordered by the WBC, which further cemented his mandatory challenger status.
Jermall Charlo has been the mandatory challenger to the WBC middleweight crown for more than sixteen months! Charlo was told by the WBC that the winner of the Canelo vs. Golovkin rematch would be forced to face him next, but it seems Mauricio Sulaimán lied.
Instead, two months ago, the WBC stated that Jermall Charlo had to engage in a third consecutive final eliminator, this time against GGG, in order to gain his long-awaiting shot at the WBC title!
People are claiming that Jermall Charlo has to jump through all sorts of hoops, such as engaging in a rematch against Korobov, as well as facing the likes of Jacobs, Saunders and Andrade, before he’s “earned the right” to face Canelo or Golovkin, but why do they say this, when GGG faced the following unranked fighters in world title bouts?
• Dominic Wade
• Willie Monroe Jr.
• Osumanu Adama
• Marco Antonio Rubio
• Curtis Stevens
• Nobuhiro Ishida
• Gabriel Rosado
• Grzegorz Proksa
• Makoto Fuchigami
• Lajuan Simon
• Kassim Ouma
• Kell Brook
• Vanes Martirosyan
• Nilson Julio Tapia
• Milton Nunez
Nearly every single one of these guys were not considered top-ten middleweights (based on ESPN’s and The RING’s divisional rankings) prior to their bouts against Gennady Golovkin and the vast majority of them were also former welterweights/light middleweights.
We can probably perform a similar analysis of Canelo’s resume, whereby the Mexican has also engaged in world title bouts against weaker and less qualified opposition than Jermall Charlo.
The WBC has already ordered GGG to compete in a final eliminator against Charlo (for the WBC interim title), so why are people claiming that Jermall needs to face other fighters beforehand?
Why should Jermall Charlo be motivated to face other top-tier fighters (for small paydays) when he’s "apparently" already near the front of the proverbial queue to face Canelo and/or Golovkin?
For the record, you’ve created
five separate critical anti-Charlo threads in the last
four days!
Only a complete fool would take this post serious. You just list off names without providing any context. You are 100% bias and argue like a woman.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 17:02
by apollo creed
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 16:46
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 15:05
apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 12:32
True. That was my thought too. Rematch Korobov to clean the waters and then challenge Jacobs, bjs or even Andrade and then demand to fight the top dogs.
I don't understand how on this forum are some people that are acting like Charlo should get GGG or Canelo just bc luckily he still has that '0' on paper.
Who did GGG defeat to earn the right to engage in his very first world title bout at 160lbs?
Is it reasonable to assume that the Jermall Charlo is currently more qualified to challenge for a world title than the 2010 version of Gennady Golovkin (who had only competed in 18 pro bouts)?
Should Jermall Charlo be deemed as being a better qualified title challenger than the likes of Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma and Nobuhiro Ishida who all fought GGG for his WBA championship, despite possessing losing records?
Jermall Charlo defeated the middleweight division’s highest-ranked WBC title challenger when he stopped Jorge Sebastian Heiland within four rounds, which was a final eliminator to determine the mandatory challenger to face GGG (as confirmed by Mauricio Sulaiman himself).
He then became the WBC's interim 160-pound champion when he KO’d Hugo Centeno Jr. during his very next outing, a bout that was ordered by the WBC, which further cemented his mandatory challenger status.
Jermall Charlo has been the mandatory challenger to the WBC middleweight crown for more than sixteen months! Charlo was told by the WBC that the winner of the Canelo vs. Golovkin rematch would be forced to face him next, but it seems Mauricio Sulaimán lied.
Instead, two months ago, the WBC stated that Jermall Charlo had to engage in a third consecutive final eliminator, this time against GGG, in order to gain his long-awaiting shot at the WBC title!
People are claiming that Jermall Charlo has to jump through all sorts of hoops, such as engaging in a rematch against Korobov, as well as facing the likes of Jacobs, Saunders and Andrade, before he’s “earned the right” to face Canelo or Golovkin, but why do they say this, when GGG faced the following unranked fighters in world title bouts?
• Dominic Wade
• Willie Monroe Jr.
• Osumanu Adama
• Marco Antonio Rubio
• Curtis Stevens
• Nobuhiro Ishida
• Gabriel Rosado
• Grzegorz Proksa
• Makoto Fuchigami
• Lajuan Simon
• Kassim Ouma
• Kell Brook
• Vanes Martirosyan
• Nilson Julio Tapia
• Milton Nunez
Nearly every single one of these guys were not considered top-ten middleweights (based on ESPN’s and The RING’s divisional rankings) prior to their bouts against Gennady Golovkin and the vast majority of them were also former welterweights/light middleweights.
We can probably perform a similar analysis of Canelo’s resume, whereby the Mexican has also engaged in world title bouts against weaker and less qualified opposition than Jermall Charlo.
The WBC has already ordered GGG to compete in a final eliminator against Charlo (for the WBC interim title), so why are people claiming that Jermall needs to face other fighters beforehand?
Why should Jermall Charlo be motivated to face other top-tier fighters (for small paydays) when he’s "apparently" already near the front of the proverbial queue to face Canelo and/or Golovkin?
For the record, you’ve created
five separate critical anti-Charlo threads in the last
four days!
Only a complete fool would take this post serious. You just list off names without providing any context. You are 100% bias and argue like a woman.
He's just senile and moronic.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 17:03
by apollo creed
As for EO (Empty One) User Datsue described very well
this type of attention seeker-troll like E.O :
" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "
100% true facts
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 18:33
by Enlightened-One
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 16:26
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 08:13
apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 07:53
Notice how Charlo doesn't say nothing about his tamer Daniel Jacobs ? Like that dude ain't no top level or a known mw, wtf?! lol
We get it, you don’t like Jermall Charlo or his brother, but for fûcks sake, please stop going on about it!
Be a role model and stop going on about Golovkin who you clearly hate.
I don’t hate Golovkin. I think he’s a marvellous fighter that has been mismanaged.
I also don’t apply double standards. I also use the same rules to criticise fighters that I like as well as those that I dislike.
My criticism of GGG’s resume is consistent in nature. The praise I’ve lavished upon Golovkin has also been consistent in nature.
You can’t prove otherwise.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 18:35
by Enlightened-One
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 16:46
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 15:05
apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 12:32
True. That was my thought too. Rematch Korobov to clean the waters and then challenge Jacobs, bjs or even Andrade and then demand to fight the top dogs.
I don't understand how on this forum are some people that are acting like Charlo should get GGG or Canelo just bc luckily he still has that '0' on paper.
Who did GGG defeat to earn the right to engage in his very first world title bout at 160lbs?
Is it reasonable to assume that the Jermall Charlo is currently more qualified to challenge for a world title than the 2010 version of Gennady Golovkin (who had only competed in 18 pro bouts)?
Should Jermall Charlo be deemed as being a better qualified title challenger than the likes of Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma and Nobuhiro Ishida who all fought GGG for his WBA championship, despite possessing losing records?
Jermall Charlo defeated the middleweight division’s highest-ranked WBC title challenger when he stopped Jorge Sebastian Heiland within four rounds, which was a final eliminator to determine the mandatory challenger to face GGG (as confirmed by Mauricio Sulaiman himself).
He then became the WBC's interim 160-pound champion when he KO’d Hugo Centeno Jr. during his very next outing, a bout that was ordered by the WBC, which further cemented his mandatory challenger status.
Jermall Charlo has been the mandatory challenger to the WBC middleweight crown for more than sixteen months! Charlo was told by the WBC that the winner of the Canelo vs. Golovkin rematch would be forced to face him next, but it seems Mauricio Sulaimán lied.
Instead, two months ago, the WBC stated that Jermall Charlo had to engage in a third consecutive final eliminator, this time against GGG, in order to gain his long-awaiting shot at the WBC title!
People are claiming that Jermall Charlo has to jump through all sorts of hoops, such as engaging in a rematch against Korobov, as well as facing the likes of Jacobs, Saunders and Andrade, before he’s “earned the right” to face Canelo or Golovkin, but why do they say this, when GGG faced the following unranked fighters in world title bouts?
• Dominic Wade
• Willie Monroe Jr.
• Osumanu Adama
• Marco Antonio Rubio
• Curtis Stevens
• Nobuhiro Ishida
• Gabriel Rosado
• Grzegorz Proksa
• Makoto Fuchigami
• Lajuan Simon
• Kassim Ouma
• Kell Brook
• Vanes Martirosyan
• Nilson Julio Tapia
• Milton Nunez
Nearly every single one of these guys were not considered top-ten middleweights (based on ESPN’s and The RING’s divisional rankings) prior to their bouts against Gennady Golovkin and the vast majority of them were also former welterweights/light middleweights.
We can probably perform a similar analysis of Canelo’s resume, whereby the Mexican has also engaged in world title bouts against weaker and less qualified opposition than Jermall Charlo.
The WBC has already ordered GGG to compete in a final eliminator against Charlo (for the WBC interim title), so why are people claiming that Jermall needs to face other fighters beforehand?
Why should Jermall Charlo be motivated to face other top-tier fighters (for small paydays) when he’s "apparently" already near the front of the proverbial queue to face Canelo and/or Golovkin?
For the record, you’ve created
five separate critical anti-Charlo threads in the last
four days!
Only a complete fool would take this post serious. You just list off names without providing any context. You are 100% bias and argue like a woman.
If what I’ve written is stupid, then please attempt to undermine it.
Facts don’t care about feelings, but you seem to be very upset abput them.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 18:44
by oogiebe
EO, seriously, why do you care?
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 19:04
by boxing_rocks
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 18:33
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 16:26
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 08:13
We get it, you don’t like Jermall Charlo or his brother, but for fûcks sake, please stop going on about it!
Be a role model and stop going on about Golovkin who you clearly hate.
I don’t hate Golovkin. I think he’s a marvellous fighter that has been mismanaged.
I also don’t apply double standards. I also use the same rules to criticise fighters that I like as well as those that I dislike.
My criticism of GGG’s resume is consistent in nature. The praise I’ve lavished upon Golovkin has also been consistent in nature.
You can’t prove otherwise.
Please provide examples of any positive threads about Golovkin which you started.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 19:05
by Enlightened-One
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 18:44
EO, seriously, why do you care?
What do you mean?
I enjoy pointing out those that apply double standards.
Even though I’m not a fan of Charlo, fight fans are holding him to different standards than their favourite fighters.
People can’t pretend otherwise, hence the reason why they try to undermine me rather than my argument.
What I’ve written cannot be challenged by those that choose to apply double standards.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 19:07
by Skalamanga
Saturday night proves that Golovkin was right to ignore Charlo, as he was and will never be on GGG's level.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 19:08
by oogiebe
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:05
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 18:44
EO, seriously, why do you care?
What do you mean?
I enjoy pointing out those that apply double standards.
Even though I’m not a fan of Charlo, fight fans are holding him to different standards than their favourite fighters.
People can’t pretend otherwise, hence the reason why they try to undermine me rather than my argument.
What I’ve written cannot be challenged by those that choose to apply double standards.
I've disagreed with loads of posters. I also have certain fighters I don't like and those I do. I've admitted bias for/against several fighters. If it gets to be an argument, I usually just agree to disagree and move on. If there is no factual basis for their arguments, and they continue to post without backup, I move on. Just saying, it's sometimes not worth the pursuit. It's only a boxing forum, IMHO.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 19:09
by Enlightened-One
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:04
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 18:33
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 16:26
Be a role model and stop going on about Golovkin who you clearly hate.
I don’t hate Golovkin. I think he’s a marvellous fighter that has been mismanaged.
I also don’t apply double standards. I also use the same rules to criticise fighters that I like as well as those that I dislike.
My criticism of GGG’s resume is consistent in nature. The praise I’ve lavished upon Golovkin has also been consistent in nature.
You can’t prove otherwise.
Please provide examples of any positive threads about Golovkin which you started.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=204058&p=4481952&h ... k#p4481952
I can provide plenty more examples.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 19:16
by boxing_rocks
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:09
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:04
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 18:33
I don’t hate Golovkin. I think he’s a marvellous fighter that has been mismanaged.
I also don’t apply double standards. I also use the same rules to criticise fighters that I like as well as those that I dislike.
My criticism of GGG’s resume is consistent in nature. The praise I’ve lavished upon Golovkin has also been consistent in nature.
You can’t prove otherwise.
Please provide examples of any positive threads about Golovkin which you started.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=204058&p=4481952&h ... k#p4481952
I can provide plenty more examples.
You must have been taking your meds at the time, so the thread appears to be NEUTRAL. Any positive threads?
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 19:33
by oogiebe
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 19:36
by ewenhay
It must just be me but these Charlo characters bore me rigid.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 19:38
by oogiebe
ewenhay wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:36
It must just be me but these Charlo characters bore me rigid.
It's not just you.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 26 Dec 2018, 21:45
by Enlightened-One
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:16
You must have been taking your meds at the time, so the thread appears to be NEUTRAL. Any positive threads?
Are you seriously suggesting that you personally consider any opinion that is the same as yours, as being NEUTRAL?
I rarely create threads expressing a personal opinion... and you know that.
And I can and will provide more examples of me complimenting GGG, but the reason why I provided that one was because many people gave Kell Brook credit, when Golovkin was simply putting on a good “drama show”.
My sentiments were based on an opinion that was in the minority. It wasn’t neutral. I appreciated his efforts against Brook, whereas others wrongly questioned whether he was on the decline. I saw things others didn’t.
To be honest, you stating that I merely expressed a NEUTRAL opinion is kind of flattering, because ultimately, it is my aim to ensure the vast majority of my posts to convey objective reality, rather than being blindly biased, hence the reason why I am always able to justify my statements with a copious amount of facts and evidence.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 27 Dec 2018, 05:07
by apollo creed
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 18:33
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 16:26
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 08:13
We get it, you don’t like Jermall Charlo or his brother, but for fûcks sake, please stop going on about it!
Be a role model and stop going on about Golovkin who you clearly hate.
I don’t hate Golovkin. I think he’s a marvellous fighter that has been mismanaged.
I also don’t apply double standards. I also use the same rules to criticise fighters that I like as well as those that I dislike.
My criticism of GGG’s resume is consistent in nature. The praise I’ve lavished upon Golovkin has also been consistent in nature.
You can’t prove otherwise.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 27 Dec 2018, 05:07
by apollo creed
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 21:45
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:16
You must have been taking your meds at the time, so the thread appears to be NEUTRAL. Any positive threads?
Are you seriously suggesting that you personally consider any opinion that is the same as yours, as being NEUTRAL?
I rarely create threads expressing a personal opinion... and you know that.
And I can and will provide more examples of me complimenting GGG, but the reason why I provided that one was because many people gave Kell Brook credit, when Golovkin was simply putting on a good “drama show”.
My sentiments were based on an opinion that was in the minority. It wasn’t neutral. I appreciated his efforts against Brook, whereas others wrongly questioned whether he was on the decline. I saw things others didn’t.
To be honest, you stating that I merely expressed a NEUTRAL opinion is kind of flattering, because ultimately, it is my aim to ensure the vast majority of my posts to convey objective reality, rather than being blindly biased, hence the reason why I am always able to justify my statements with a copious amount of facts and evidence.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 27 Dec 2018, 05:15
by apollo creed
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 19:16
You must have been taking your meds at the time, so the thread appears to be NEUTRAL. Any positive threads?
EO (Empty One) ain't gonna admit nothing bc he's an attention seeker-troll and "intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 27 Dec 2018, 05:22
by apollo creed
I'm being objective in this thread and I call it like it is. Charlo got boxed by old Korobov and now he calls out GGG and Canelo to get a payday instead of rematch Korobov and clear the waters. I just wonder if Charlo doesn't get GGG or Canelo, he would officially call out Jacobs, Andrade or BJS ??
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 27 Dec 2018, 09:03
by SFW
Charlo didn't win that fight, and that wide as fornicate scorecard was Byrd/Ross worthy. Like get the fornicate out of boxing go straight to jail bad. I'd like to see Charlo fight Korobov again, Korobov deserves at the very least an immediate rematch. But he won't get it, it's back to chasing the money fights for Charlo. Can't fault him for that mentality, can't call him a champ either.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 27 Dec 2018, 09:15
by apollo creed
SFW wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 09:03
Charlo didn't win that fight, and that wide as eff scorecard was Byrd/Ross worthy. Like get the eff out of boxing go straight to jail bad. I'd like to see Charlo fight Korobov again, Korobov deserves at the very least an immediate rematch. But he won't get it, it's back to chasing the money fights for Charlo. Can't fault him for that mentality, can't call him a champ either.
spot on
We all know that Korobov defeated Charlo.
Re: Jermall Charlo:“We want GGG! We want Canelo!" I told y'all he wants to cash out!
Posted: 27 Dec 2018, 11:40
by Deleted_Scenes
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 15:05
Who did GGG defeat to earn the right to engage in his very first world title bout at 160lbs?
GGG didn't get to fight Sergio, or even Sturm, in his first title shot though. He fought for the WBA Regular title. That's the equivalent of Charlo fighting Rob Brant, not Canelo.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 15:05
Is it reasonable to assume that the Jermall Charlo is currently more qualified to challenge for a world title than the 2010 version of Gennady Golovkin (who had only competed in 18 pro bouts)?
If we're talking about him fighting Rob Brant, yes he probably is. How many hoops did GGG have to jump through to get the first Canelo fight? Charlo has done nowhere near that. Not even close.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 15:05
Should Jermall Charlo be deemed as being a better qualified title challenger than the likes of Lajuan Simon, Kassim Ouma and Nobuhiro Ishida who all fought GGG for his WBA championship, despite possessing losing records?
I don't see anybody defending those choices of opponents. Just because some undeserving fighters got a title shot, doesn't mean other undeserving fighters should. It happens. As fans of the sport, we should be against ALL undeserving title shots, not selective based on who it is.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 15:05
Jermall Charlo defeated the middleweight division’s highest-ranked WBC title challenger when he stopped Jorge Sebastian Heiland within four rounds, which was a final eliminator to determine the mandatory challenger to face GGG (as confirmed by Mauricio Sulaiman himself).
He then became the WBC's interim 160-pound champion when he KO’d Hugo Centeno Jr. during his very next outing, a bout that was ordered by the WBC, which further cemented his mandatory challenger status.
Wherever Heiland and Centeno were ranked, both are poor fighters relative to the level we're talking about here. Heiland also fought with a pretty bad injury, and also has a loss to Nilson Tapia (supposedly one of Golovkin's tomato cans) on his record. Centeno is a blown up junior middleweight (something else you've criticised Golovkin for fighting), and a poor one at that. Vanes was a better opponent, in all honesty.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2018, 15:05
Jermall Charlo has been the mandatory challenger to the WBC middleweight crown for more than sixteen months! Charlo was told by the WBC that the winner of the Canelo vs. Golovkin rematch would be forced to face him next, but it seems Mauricio Sulaimán lied.
WBC not granting promised title shots to their mandatory contenders? They've got no previous for that kind of behaviour, have they??
Ok, I'll be honest. The WBC should honour their promises. I'll also be clear in saying none of Charlo's fights at 160 should have been considered eliminators.
He should have lost (albeit very narrowly) to an old, inactive (and average, as a professional) Korobov. He has unfinished business there, before he deserves to even think about fighting Canelo.
