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thechump wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 10:16

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 09:47 I’m not sure to be honest. I’m tempted to vote that Vitali beats them all, but I can envisage Fury and Joshua beating him.

As for Wilder hits harder than Pele Reid kicks...never! A kick is so much harder than a punch, generally speaking. I suspect even Wilder can kick harder than he punches, and that’s without any real training.

Ok wilder probably hits harder than the kick that knocked vitali out lol

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 13:13

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 13:09

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 09:33 Vitali lost to the two best guys he faced and doesn't have a single great win. One of the most overrated heavies ever, the sight of him going after the nimble Fury with his two left feet would have been an amusing one.

You sir just read my mind.

so what r ur picks bruh

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:05

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 13:13

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 13:09

You sir just read my mind.

so what r ur picks bruh

Fury is all wrong for Vitali. Fury by ud
Joshua has a good chance at a close ud
Wilder only has a punchers chance. But with the way Lewis cut up Vitali a stoppage by cuts would not be a shock

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:06

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:05

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 13:13

so what r ur picks bruh

Fury is all wrong for Vitali. Fury by ud
Joshua has a good chance at a close ud
Wilder only has a punchers chance. But with the way Lewis cut up Vitali a stoppage by cuts would not be a shock

Hey Tiny! Happy New Year! I don't remember Vitali being cut other than Lennox. What'd I miss?

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:10

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:06

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:05

Fury is all wrong for Vitali. Fury by ud
Joshua has a good chance at a close ud
Wilder only has a punchers chance. But with the way Lewis cut up Vitali a stoppage by cuts would not be a shock

Hey Tiny! Happy New Year! I don't remember Vitali being cut other than Lennox. What'd I miss?

Happy New Year to you too my friend.
If Vitali could be cut once he could be cut again is all I am saying. and I do think Vitali would win the fight but a surprise ko or stoppage by injury would not shock me is all I am saying

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:11

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:10

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:06
Hey Tiny! Happy New Year! I don't remember Vitali being cut other than Lennox. What'd I miss?

Happy New Year to you too my friend.
If Vitali could be cut once he could be cut again is all I am saying. and I do think Vitali would win the fight but a surprise ko or stoppage by injury would not shock me is all I am saying

Got it! Understood.

SAPFO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:39 Not related, but did anybody notice McCall fought in November ?

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:42

SAPFO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:39 Not related, but did anybody notice McCall fought in November ?

lmao! Yeah, I was going to post about it, but shvt...I was in too much shock! And he won. He MUST be crazy!

tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:44

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:42

SAPFO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:39 Not related, but did anybody notice McCall fought in November ?

lmao! Yeah, I was going to post about it, but shvt...I was in too much shock! And he won. He MUST be crazy!

I don't know about crazy but more than likely broke.

SAPFO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:37 Bloody hell is it 2012 again?


Behave men for god sake. Vitali & Lewis would walk through Wilder & AJ.

Fury is a different kettle as he's a freak in the sense nobody of that size has ever moved like he does. I think both would be able to work Fury out and hit him on a more regular basis wearing him down, then I don't know? Fury has never really been 'beaten up' at the top level....

In fact, Big John McD was the last bloke to give Fury a good slapping if memory serves me right? Different Fury now though.


Regarding Vitali's record.

He lost to Byrd as he dislocated his shoulder. He was well up on the cards.

He lost to Lewis when he was Cleary up on the cards. It was turning towards Lewis, who knows how much the eye played a factor in that, but there was no way he could continue. Lewis retired rathe than rematch. That speaks volumes...


He was in a pure era, but it was clear to those than know that he was much more capable than his era. He beat what was on offer.

bigjack wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:49

SAPFO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:37 Bloody hell is it 2012 again?


Behave men for god sake. Vitali & Lewis would walk through Wilder & AJ.

Fury is a different kettle as he's a freak in the sense nobody of that size has ever moved like he does. I think both would be able to work Fury out and hit him on a more regular basis wearing him down, then I don't know? Fury has never really been 'beaten up' at the top level....

In fact, Big John McD was the last bloke to give Fury a good slapping if memory serves me right? Different Fury now though.


Regarding Vitali's record.

He lost to Byrd as he dislocated his shoulder. He was well up on the cards.

He lost to Lewis when he was Cleary up on the cards. It was turning towards Lewis, who knows how much the eye played a factor in that, but there was no way he could continue. Lewis retired rathe than rematch. That speaks volumes...


He was in a pure era, but it was clear to those than know that he was much more capable than his era. He beat what was on offer.

Please not again,it's a new year,lets move on

SAPFO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:37 Bloody hell is it 2012 again?


Behave men for god sake. Vitali & Lewis would walk through Wilder & AJ.

Fury is a different kettle as he's a freak in the sense nobody of that size has ever moved like he does. I think both would be able to work Fury out and hit him on a more regular basis wearing him down, then I don't know? Fury has never really been 'beaten up' at the top level....

In fact, Big John McD was the last bloke to give Fury a good slapping if memory serves me right? Different Fury now though.


Regarding Vitali's record.

He lost to Byrd as he dislocated his shoulder. He was well up on the cards.

He lost to Lewis when he was Cleary up on the cards. It was turning towards Lewis, who knows how much the eye played a factor in that, but there was no way he could continue. Lewis retired rathe than rematch. That speaks volumes...


He was in a pure era, but it was clear to those than know that he was much more capable than his era. He beat what was on offer.

SAPFO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:37 Bloody hell is it 2012 again?


Behave men for god sake. Vitali & Lewis would walk through Wilder & AJ.

Fury is a different kettle as he's a freak in the sense nobody of that size has ever moved like he does. I think both would be able to work Fury out and hit him on a more regular basis wearing him down, then I don't know? Fury has never really been 'beaten up' at the top level....

In fact, Big John McD was the last bloke to give Fury a good slapping if memory serves me right? Different Fury now though.


Regarding Vitali's record.

He lost to Byrd as he dislocated his shoulder. He was well up on the cards.

He lost to Lewis when he was Cleary up on the cards. It was turning towards Lewis, who knows how much the eye played a factor in that, but there was no way he could continue. Lewis retired rathe than rematch. That speaks volumes...


He was in a pure era, but it was clear to those than know that he was much more capable than his era. He beat what was on offer.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 15:06

SAPFO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:37 Bloody hell is it 2012 again?


Behave men for god sake. Vitali & Lewis would walk through Wilder & AJ.

Fury is a different kettle as he's a freak in the sense nobody of that size has ever moved like he does. I think both would be able to work Fury out and hit him on a more regular basis wearing him down, then I don't know? Fury has never really been 'beaten up' at the top level....

In fact, Big John McD was the last bloke to give Fury a good slapping if memory serves me right? Different Fury now though.


Regarding Vitali's record.

He lost to Byrd as he dislocated his shoulder. He was well up on the cards.

He lost to Lewis when he was Cleary up on the cards. It was turning towards Lewis, who knows how much the eye played a factor in that, but there was no way he could continue. Lewis retired rathe than rematch. That speaks volumes...


He was in a pure era, but it was clear to those than know that he was much more capable than his era. He beat what was on offer.

Really good post mate

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 15:25

SAPFO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 14:37 Bloody hell is it 2012 again?


Behave men for god sake. Vitali & Lewis would walk through Wilder & AJ.

Fury is a different kettle as he's a freak in the sense nobody of that size has ever moved like he does. I think both would be able to work Fury out and hit him on a more regular basis wearing him down, then I don't know? Fury has never really been 'beaten up' at the top level....

In fact, Big John McD was the last bloke to give Fury a good slapping if memory serves me right? Different Fury now though.


Regarding Vitali's record.

He lost to Byrd as he dislocated his shoulder. He was well up on the cards.

He lost to Lewis when he was Cleary up on the cards. It was turning towards Lewis, who knows how much the eye played a factor in that, but there was no way he could continue. Lewis retired rathe than rematch. That speaks volumes...


He was in a pure era, but it was clear to those than know that he was much more capable than his era. He beat what was on offer.

Agree with you on Lewis, but Vitali? Why would he walk through Wilder and AJ? When your best wins are over middle aged never-beens Corrie Sanders and Shannon Briggs, you don't have much leverage in debates of this type.

I don't get the excuses regarding Byrd and Lewis. He didn't tear a rotator cuff scratching his arse, he hurt himself missing Byrd's head. Byrd's defensive moves decided the fight, and that's boxing. Score cards mean nothing if your opponent has injured you sufficiently to make you quit on your stool, saying (and I quote) "It's hurts too much." Byrd beat him. I note Vitali never much fancied a second go at Byrd, and yet it's only the lost Lewis rematch that is ever discussed regarding him!

As for that Lewis fight, I don't think any of us have the stomach to discuss that one again, but FFS when your fists leave a man's face hanging off his head and still it's not good enough... You have to wonder about people. 'If he hadn't been cut--' He was cut. That's what happened in the real world fight. He got punched in the face to the point where medically he could not continue. That's losing. He lost to Byrd. He lost to Lewis. And then it's a colossal drop in quality between those two and the third 'best' opponent he fought, one he actually managed to beat.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 13:56

thechump wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 10:16

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 09:47 I’m not sure to be honest. I’m tempted to vote that Vitali beats them all, but I can envisage Fury and Joshua beating him.

As for Wilder hits harder than Pele Reid kicks...never! A kick is so much harder than a punch, generally speaking. I suspect even Wilder can kick harder than he punches, and that’s without any real training.

Ok wilder probably hits harder than the kick that knocked vitali out lol

No.

thechump wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 16:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 13:56

thechump wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 10:16

Ok wilder probably hits harder than the kick that knocked vitali out lol

No.

He punches really hard ya know Jim,i think he could hit harder than that kick

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 16:35

thechump wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 16:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 13:56

No.

He punches really hard ya know Jim,i think he could hit harder than that kick

Kick or not, he hits hard enough, that's for certain!

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 18:34 Don’t you think Vitali would simply toss Wilder about like a ragdoll and beat him up? I think he’d slap him about.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 18:55 Vitali could barely touch Kevin Johnson floundering on the ropes in front of him. Not that wilder is difficult to find but vitali not only lacked his brothers power, he had nowhere near his variety

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 18:59

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 18:55 Vitali could barely touch Kevin Johnson floundering on the ropes in front of him. Not that wilder is difficult to find but vitali not only lacked his brothers power, he had nowhere near his variety

Johnson was a terrific survivor, only ko'd twice and later in his career. I'm not saying Vitali was better than Wilder, but just being fair. No one said Vitali had any skills over his brother, just the chin and durability. He was a thudder.