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Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:21
by jamamb
i thought usyk still won that clearly, in briedies backyard. i dont think fighting him again is going anywhere new or exciting, and briedies looked pretty bad last fight. maybe if breidies had already won the wbss 2 by now
ive been pretty mentally set of usyk to move up next and i think most have been. it will be a disappointment if he doesnt imo. lebedev looks good on a cw resume but isnt what he once was and he was never as good as usyk anyway.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:23
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:21
i thought usyk still won that clearly, in briedies backyard. i dont think fighting him again is going anywhere new or exciting, and briedies looked pretty bad last fight. maybe if breidies had already won the wbss 2 by now.
It was close as the scorecards said. I'm saying IF he were to stay for one more fight at CW, I'd like to see Briedis. Beat him convincingly and move on to HW leaving the CW division even more completely dominated. Else, just move up.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:25
by jamamb
imo the scores were kind to briedis
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:26
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:25
imo the scores were kind to briedis
Only the 114-114 judge. I thought there were a lot of close rounds. 115-113 is fine.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:27
by jamamb
to me 7-5 is giving brides absolute best case scenario and its still a losing card for him at home. with how bad he looked last fight he needs a good win to make himself interesting again
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:29
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:27
to me 7-5 is giving brides absolute best case scenario and its still a losing card for him at home. with how bad he looked last fight he needs a good win to make himself interesting again
Not for me. He won that fight and gover/giver/gever (whatever) is top 10, so no foul there for me.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:31
by jamamb
gevors biggest previous fight was a lost to old wlod, thats a bad look as a top guy to have a controverrsial fight vs gevor that maybe most thought you lost. i remember gevor having hell with steve simmons !
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:34
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:31
gevors biggest previous fight was a lost to old wlod, thats a bad look as a top guy to have a controverrsial fight vs gevor that maybe most thought you lost. i remember gevor having hell with steve simmons !
The fight was an away fight for Briedis and he won without controversy. I don't remember the simmons fight with Gevor, but I'll look. Anyway...again...IF Usyk stays at CW, let him fight Briedis for me. My preference is just making the move to HW now.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:36
by jamamb
lol there was lots of controversy among those who watched it, loads of ppl thought he lost, bj flores on commentary was outraged with the decision and gave briedies only 3 rounds, though i dont agree with that card
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:38
by Mexi-Box
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:17
lol omg it was tough for the guy who got schooled 12-0 by usyk , seriously bro, what an awful response
I actually saw it coming a mile away, so I wouldn't say anything. You can go back to my post history. Styles make fights. Gassiev is still a great CW, but I knew he wasn't beating Usyk.
Lebedev is still arguably undefeated. Several had him beating the young, aggressive Gassiev. He was the #1 CW at one point. An athletic, remarkably skilled fighter like Lebedev is a lot more dangerous than a fat, old HW with crap stamina like Ortiz.
You know how silly I've made you look throughout the years yet you still try me. I think our score is funnier than any comment. You're like 0-3 against me.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:40
by oogiebe
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:38
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:17
lol omg it was tough for the guy who got schooled 12-0 by usyk , seriously bro, what an awful response
I actually saw it coming a mile away, so I wouldn't say anything. You can go back to my post history. Styles make fights. Gassiev is still a great CW, but I knew he wasn't beating Usyk.
Lebedev is still arguably undefeated. Several had him beating the young, aggressive Gassiev. He was the #1 CW at one point. An athletic, remarkably skilled fighter like Lebedev is a lot more dangerous than a fat, old HW with crap stamina like Ortiz.
You know how silly I've made you look throughout the years yet you still try me. I think our score is funnier than any comment. You're like 0-3 against me.
Jam tries everyone. I think he keeps score at home.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:41
by jamamb
lebedev isnt tough for usyk at all, leb has looked like a faded fighter which is to be expected at like 40, usyk would easily outbox him and give him an unhealthy experience. have you even been watching leb lately? usyk is vastly superior right now and leb does nothing to trouble him,
lol give yourself whatever score you want bruh, you also were shocked that warrington beat frampton and picked chupra over ito even though he got beaten like a little kid
its okay bruh, you cant get them all

Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:42
by oogiebe
Why are we talking about Lead-be-dead?
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:43
by jamamb
well the thread is about how usyk may fight him (or pov or ortiz) next
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:47
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:43
well the thread is about how usyk may fight him (or pov or ortiz) next
That's true. The only one who would benefit from Leb vs Usyk is Leb getting a final big payday. Nothing to prove there for Usyk, just a delay to HW. Povetkin the best option of those three. Smallish HW on the downside. Ortiz still has that power, and has some risk to Usyk for the first 5/7 rounds.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 21:56
by Mexi-Box
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:41
lebedev isnt tough for usyk at all,
leb has looked like a faded fighter which is to be expected at like 40, usyk would easily outbox him and give him an unhealthy experience. have you even been watching leb lately? usyk is vastly superior right now and leb does nothing to trouble him,
lol give yourself whatever score you want bruh, you also were shocked that warrington beat frampton and picked chupra over ito even though he got beaten like a little kid
its okay bruh, you cant get them all
But somehow the 50 year old, fat Ortiz, isn't a faded fighter!? What a horrible comeback. FFS, he looked like crap against David Allen and Malik Scott. You may as well be talking about Ortiz in your post unless you were impressed that he won every round against the D- fighter, Travis Kauffman.
As I said, you can't tell with all fights because sometimes these older guys still have one brilliant performance left in them. I'd have thought you'd kept quiet after I slapped you around with Korobov/Charlo. P4P, Lebedev is in every way superior to Ortiz.
I like how you're somehow scooping up Warrington/Frampton and Chuprakov/Ito when you said nothing definite about either. I'd like to see a post where you actually made a real pick, not just went halfway like I've seen you do. BS, that you confidently picked Ito. You are completely full of crap, and I look forward to you scurrying over to the thread and editing your post.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 22:05
by tiny_acres
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:56
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:41
lebedev isnt tough for usyk at all,
leb has looked like a faded fighter which is to be expected at like 40, usyk would easily outbox him and give him an unhealthy experience. have you even been watching leb lately? usyk is vastly superior right now and leb does nothing to trouble him,
lol give yourself whatever score you want bruh, you also were shocked that warrington beat frampton and picked chupra over ito even though he got beaten like a little kid
its okay bruh, you cant get them all
But somehow the 50 year old, fat Ortiz, isn't a faded fighter!? What a horrible comeback. FFS, he looked like crap against David Allen and Malik Scott. You may as well be talking about Ortiz in your post unless you were impressed that he won every round against the D- fighter, Travis Kauffman.
As I said, you can't tell with all fights because sometimes these older guys still have one brilliant performance left in them. I'd have thought you'd kept quiet after I slapped you around with Korobov/Charlo. P4P, Lebedev is in every way superior to Ortiz.
I like how you're somehow scooping up Warrington/Frampton and Chuprakov/Ito when you said nothing definite about either. I'd like to see a post where you actually made a real pick, not just went halfway like I've seen you do. BS, that you confidently picked Ito. You are completely full of crap, and I look forward to you scurrying over to the thread and editing your post.
Ortiz is a top 6 heavyweight. Usyk fighting Ortiz is a tough fight.
Sorry that you can't see that.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 22:11
by jamamb
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:56
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:41
lebedev isnt tough for usyk at all,
leb has looked like a faded fighter which is to be expected at like 40, usyk would easily outbox him and give him an unhealthy experience. have you even been watching leb lately? usyk is vastly superior right now and leb does nothing to trouble him,
lol give yourself whatever score you want bruh, you also were shocked that warrington beat frampton and picked chupra over ito even though he got beaten like a little kid
its okay bruh, you cant get them all
But somehow the 50 year old, fat Ortiz, isn't a faded fighter!? What a horrible comeback. FFS, he looked like crap against David Allen and Malik Scott. You may as well be talking about Ortiz in your post unless you were impressed that he won every round against the D- fighter, Travis Kauffman.
As I said, you can't tell with all fights because sometimes these older guys still have one brilliant performance left in them. I'd have thought you'd kept quiet after I slapped you around with Korobov/Charlo. P4P, Lebedev is in every way superior to Ortiz.
I like how you're somehow scooping up Warrington/Frampton and Chuprakov/Ito when you said nothing definite about either. I'd like to see a post where you actually made a real pick, not just went halfway like I've seen you do. BS, that you confidently picked Ito. You are completely full of crap, and I look forward to you scurrying over to the thread and editing your post.
lol i never even mentioned ortiz to you son, i was specifically talking about the suggestion that leb is tough for usyk, um, nope kid, he aint. you responding that 3 years ago he was tough for a guy usyk beat 12-0 is just an awful, slap worthy comeback.
its okay son, you were badly wrong about some fights, we all are , though some of us try to act like we arent

Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 22:15
by Mexi-Box
tiny_acres wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:05
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:56
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:41
lebedev isnt tough for usyk at all,
leb has looked like a faded fighter which is to be expected at like 40, usyk would easily outbox him and give him an unhealthy experience. have you even been watching leb lately? usyk is vastly superior right now and leb does nothing to trouble him,
lol give yourself whatever score you want bruh, you also were shocked that warrington beat frampton and picked chupra over ito even though he got beaten like a little kid
its okay bruh, you cant get them all
But somehow the 50 year old, fat Ortiz, isn't a faded fighter!? What a horrible comeback. FFS, he looked like crap against David Allen and Malik Scott. You may as well be talking about Ortiz in your post unless you were impressed that he won every round against the D- fighter, Travis Kauffman.
As I said, you can't tell with all fights because sometimes these older guys still have one brilliant performance left in them. I'd have thought you'd kept quiet after I slapped you around with Korobov/Charlo. P4P, Lebedev is in every way superior to Ortiz.
I like how you're somehow scooping up Warrington/Frampton and Chuprakov/Ito when you said nothing definite about either. I'd like to see a post where you actually made a real pick, not just went halfway like I've seen you do. BS, that you confidently picked Ito. You are completely full of crap, and I look forward to you scurrying over to the thread and editing your post.
Ortiz is a top 6 heavyweight. Usyk fighting Ortiz is a tough fight.
Sorry that you can't see that.
Stylistically, it isn't. What makes Ortiz tough? He's slow, hittable, and gasses at a slow pace. How does that equate to being a tough fight to someone who has an iron chin, is one of the most athletic boxers currently, and has p4p defense? Usyk fought and beat better HW's than Ortiz in WSB.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 22:17
by Mexi-Box
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:11
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:56
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:41
lebedev isnt tough for usyk at all,
leb has looked like a faded fighter which is to be expected at like 40, usyk would easily outbox him and give him an unhealthy experience. have you even been watching leb lately? usyk is vastly superior right now and leb does nothing to trouble him,
lol give yourself whatever score you want bruh, you also were shocked that warrington beat frampton and picked chupra over ito even though he got beaten like a little kid
its okay bruh, you cant get them all
But somehow the 50 year old, fat Ortiz, isn't a faded fighter!? What a horrible comeback. FFS, he looked like crap against David Allen and Malik Scott. You may as well be talking about Ortiz in your post unless you were impressed that he won every round against the D- fighter, Travis Kauffman.
As I said, you can't tell with all fights because sometimes these older guys still have one brilliant performance left in them. I'd have thought you'd kept quiet after I slapped you around with Korobov/Charlo. P4P, Lebedev is in every way superior to Ortiz.
I like how you're somehow scooping up Warrington/Frampton and Chuprakov/Ito when you said nothing definite about either. I'd like to see a post where you actually made a real pick, not just went halfway like I've seen you do. BS, that you confidently picked Ito. You are completely full of crap, and I look forward to you scurrying over to the thread and editing your post.
lol i never even mentioned ortiz to you son, i was specifically talking about the suggestion that leb is tough for usyk, um, nope kid, he aint. you responding that 3 years ago he was tough for a guy usyk beat 12-0 is just an awful, slap worthy comeback.
its okay son, you were badly wrong about some fights, we all are , though some of us try to act like we arent
It's in the thread topic, you idiot. It's between those 3 fighters, and you said Lebedev wouldn't be a tough fight. What's awful about mentioning Gassiev who is currently a top CW and was the #2 CW at one point. As I said, styles make fights. Lebedev is arguably still undefeated.
Nothing is slap worthy other than your odious record going against me. Sit down.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 22:21
by oogiebe
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:15
tiny_acres wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:05
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:56
But somehow the 50 year old, fat Ortiz, isn't a faded fighter!? What a horrible comeback. FFS, he looked like crap against David Allen and Malik Scott. You may as well be talking about Ortiz in your post unless you were impressed that he won every round against the D- fighter, Travis Kauffman.
As I said, you can't tell with all fights because sometimes these older guys still have one brilliant performance left in them. I'd have thought you'd kept quiet after I slapped you around with Korobov/Charlo. P4P, Lebedev is in every way superior to Ortiz.
I like how you're somehow scooping up Warrington/Frampton and Chuprakov/Ito when you said nothing definite about either. I'd like to see a post where you actually made a real pick, not just went halfway like I've seen you do. BS, that you confidently picked Ito. You are completely full of crap, and I look forward to you scurrying over to the thread and editing your post.
Ortiz is a top 6 heavyweight. Usyk fighting Ortiz is a tough fight.
Sorry that you can't see that.
Stylistically, it isn't. What makes Ortiz tough? He's slow, hittable, and gasses at a slow pace. How does that equate to being a tough fight to someone who has an iron chin, is one of the most athletic boxers currently, and has p4p defense? Usyk fought and beat better HW's than Ortiz in WSB.
WSB was six or so years ago! Are you going by Usyk over a very inexperienced Joyce?!! Ortiz would have 30 LBS or so over Usyk, but he's crafty with all kinds of experience and still can smack. You love these old and fading fighters (Korabov/Lebidev) and then you diss Ortiz. Boy I can't figure you out at all. Usyk needs a relatively easy first fight at HW to see how it feels. Anyway, You'll see once his first match is set.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 22:25
by jamamb
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:17
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:11
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 21:56
But somehow the 50 year old, fat Ortiz, isn't a faded fighter!? What a horrible comeback. FFS, he looked like crap against David Allen and Malik Scott. You may as well be talking about Ortiz in your post unless you were impressed that he won every round against the D- fighter, Travis Kauffman.
As I said, you can't tell with all fights because sometimes these older guys still have one brilliant performance left in them. I'd have thought you'd kept quiet after I slapped you around with Korobov/Charlo. P4P, Lebedev is in every way superior to Ortiz.
I like how you're somehow scooping up Warrington/Frampton and Chuprakov/Ito when you said nothing definite about either. I'd like to see a post where you actually made a real pick, not just went halfway like I've seen you do. BS, that you confidently picked Ito. You are completely full of crap, and I look forward to you scurrying over to the thread and editing your post.
lol i never even mentioned ortiz to you son, i was specifically talking about the suggestion that leb is tough for usyk, um, nope kid, he aint. you responding that 3 years ago he was tough for a guy usyk beat 12-0 is just an awful, slap worthy comeback.
its okay son, you were badly wrong about some fights, we all are , though some of us try to act like we arent
It's in the thread topic, you idiot. It's between those 3 fighters, and you said Lebedev wouldn't be a tough fight. What's awful about mentioning Gassiev who is currently a top CW and was the #2 CW at one point. As I said, styles make fights. Lebedev is arguably still undefeated.
Nothing is slap worthy other than your odious record going against me. Sit down.
lol i was never mentioning ortiz, son, leb vs usyk is in the thread title too. you even bringing up ortiz to me like i mentioned him is added stupidity to your 'usyk's son had a tough time with leb' comeback
i can tell your rattled bro. its okay. we all get that some times. and its no big deal that you butchered some recent fights. chin up kid, youll be back

Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 22:45
by Mexi-Box
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:25
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:17
jamamb wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:11
lol i never even mentioned ortiz to you son, i was specifically talking about the suggestion that leb is tough for usyk, um, nope kid, he aint. you responding that 3 years ago he was tough for a guy usyk beat 12-0 is just an awful, slap worthy comeback.
its okay son, you were badly wrong about some fights, we all are , though some of us try to act like we arent
It's in the thread topic, you idiot. It's between those 3 fighters, and you said Lebedev wouldn't be a tough fight. What's awful about mentioning Gassiev who is currently a top CW and was the #2 CW at one point. As I said, styles make fights. Lebedev is arguably still undefeated.
Nothing is slap worthy other than your odious record going against me. Sit down.
lol i was never mentioning ortiz, son, leb vs usyk is in the thread title too. you even bringing up ortiz to me like i mentioned him is added stupidity to your 'usyk's son had a tough time with leb' comeback
i can tell your rattled bro. its okay. we all get that some times. and its no big deal that you butchered some recent fights. chin up kid, youll be back
What an complete moron you are. Styles make fights, but you wouldn't know anything about that considering your dense as hell when it comes to this sport. Yeah, I'm rattled because I've completely destroyed you several times. You're talking as though you haven't been embarrassed by me. Why not bring up the Korobov/Charlo thread, jamdumb, so we can have a laugh.
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 22:48
by jamamb
lol, ya sure, the same expert who was utterly shocked warrington could beat frampton
like i said kid, its okay, we all get them wrong, just like you butchered ito vs chupra too. im sure there are plenty more youve gone wrong and also plenty youve got right. thats the game kid. i will never deny that its the same way for me too
lol, styles make fights is such a cop out here, there is nothing in lebs style that is making him tough for usyk right now. its a shutout / late stoppage job
Re: Usyk vs Povetkin/Ortiz/Lebedev
Posted: 06 Jan 2019, 22:51
by Mexi-Box
oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:21
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:15
tiny_acres wrote: ↑06 Jan 2019, 22:05
Ortiz is a top 6 heavyweight. Usyk fighting Ortiz is a tough fight.
Sorry that you can't see that.
Stylistically, it isn't. What makes Ortiz tough? He's slow, hittable, and gasses at a slow pace. How does that equate to being a tough fight to someone who has an iron chin, is one of the most athletic boxers currently, and has p4p defense? Usyk fought and beat better HW's than Ortiz in WSB.
WSB was six or so years ago! Are you going by Usyk over a very inexperienced Joyce?!! Ortiz would have 30 LBS or so over Usyk, but he's crafty with all kinds of experience and still can smack. You love these old and fading fighters (Korabov/Lebidev) and then you diss Ortiz. Boy I can't figure you out at all. Usyk needs a relatively easy first fight at HW to see how it feels. Anyway, You'll see once his first match is set.
You act like Joyce was the only fighter Usyk schooled.
Ortiz has 30 lbs. of fat on his old bones. I know talent when I see it. Korobov and Lebedev are leagues more talented than Ortiz.
Ortiz has a thin resume. He's living off his win over Jennings ages ago. Take out that win over Jennings and who is Ortiz's best win, Malik Scott (who Chisora beat)? He's not been fighting on the same level as Pulev or even Whyte. Fanboys are the ones that seem all over Ortiz when he's done nothing other than get stopped by Wilder. Somehow that's more impressive than a CW who is arguably still undefeated and was the #1 at one point. Can you say the same about Ortiz? He was never close to the #1 HW.
Stop acting like a fanboy and act like a boxing fan.