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That's beyond nonsense. I've never not advocated a rematch in a draw of a top fight. If it was anyone but wilder you'd be like you should be for him. It's cute you want to portray me as some wilder super fan. That's how irrational you are.

The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 15:08 I thought Joshua should have outbid Wilder for Fury following the draw, as most saw Tyson as the winner. But if Fury outboxes Wilder in the rematch, then that just brings us closer to Joshua vs Fury for the lineal/undisputed championship after all.

He probably did but you have to factor in Fwank, a man who would probably throw a million quid on a bonfire if that meant Hearn would have to do the same with ten million. His hatred for the upstart with the silver-spoon is profound .

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 15:33 That's beyond nonsense. I've never not advocated a rematch in a draw of a top fight. If it was anyone but wilder you'd be like you should be for him. It's cute you want to portray me as some wilder super fan. That's how irrational you are.

I've nothing against a rematch but unification is by far the priority. Wilder v Joshua is the fight we've all wanted for so long but now it may never happen, I mean you have to expect Fury to be closer to his best next time.

Win or lose (against AJ) the rematch with Fury will still be there.

At least you have moved on from the absurd whyte posts.

Well that's only because they have moved on. I reckon Wilder v Whyte could be a fantastic fight. I've always said I'd go with Wilder because Whyte isn't too difficult to hit and Wilder is a murderous puncher, but Whyte is the better boxer and he can also punch. If Deontay didn't finish him early it could have gotten very interesting.

I'll never understand why Deontay didn't take the eight million he was offered to fight him in London if Whyte is such a peasant. Double his biggest purse up to that point. Water under the bridge now of course.

candyslim wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:08 Well that's only because they have moved on. I reckon Wilder v Whyte could be a fantastic fight. I've always said I'd go with Wilder because Whyte isn't too difficult to hit and Wilder is a murderous puncher, but Whyte is the better boxer and he can also punch. If Deontay didn't finish him early it could have gotten very interesting.

I'll never understand why Deontay didn't take the eight million he was offered to fight him in London if Whyte is such a peasant. Double his biggest purse up to that point. Water under the bridge now of course.

I don't know that Whyte is the better boxer actually. He struggled pretty badly with Chisora twice, and a particularly skilled boxer shouldn't have struggled as badly as he did in both of those fights.

He's no Willie Pep for sure but I recently re-watched Wilder fighting Szpilka and Duhaupas. Now for all his courage and durability, Duhaupas exhibits all the defensive skills and elusive qualities of a bag of wet cement yet he was stepping back watching Wilder's right hand shots fly harmlessly past. Szpilka made him miss so badly his momentum caused him to fall over, not just once either. Give the man his due he got 'em both eventually, nobody ever said he couldn't punch.

Whyte is not as nimble as that version of Szpilka but he's a better boxer than Duhaupas. I always said Chisora would always be a tough fight for Dillian because Whyte would not be able to resist a toe to toe tear up with Chisora and that would play into Dereck's hands. It actually surprised me how Whyte was able to retain his discipline and his composure in the rematch .

Wilder would not be able to take liberties with Whyte the way he did Szpilka and Duhaupas because if Whyte makes him miss he has the power to make him pay. I think that forces Wilder to engage more in a boxing contest which may work to Whyte's advantage or it might not. Potentially a very interesting fight I'd suggest .

Hopefully by then (May or June) Fury’s fitnesses improves in particular his punch output. His arms look heavy and frankly, fat.

candyslim wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:08 Well that's only because they have moved on. I reckon Wilder v Whyte could be a fantastic fight. I've always said I'd go with Wilder because Whyte isn't too difficult to hit and Wilder is a murderous puncher, but Whyte is the better boxer and he can also punch. If Deontay didn't finish him early it could have gotten very interesting.

I'll never understand why Deontay didn't take the eight million he was offered to fight him in London if Whyte is such a peasant. Double his biggest purse up to that point. Water under the bridge now of course.

Ill never understand why you can't even recognize the 50 times I've answered that fornicating quandary for you. Hearn wanted options on wilder that he would NEVER give him. Wilders counter to the offer of 3 million was allegedly 8. You have bumped up the offer in time. It's amusing you say you have no axe to grind yet you run with any rumour, ignore any challenge and are on the opposite side of common sense on every topic involving the man.

If that were the case then wouldn't we have heard from Finkel or Dibella or Wilder himself about the unreasonable demands placed on him by the spawn of Satan, Eddie Hearn?. Of course we would. Those guys are hardly what you'd call reticent.

The only people to put forward that theory as if it were fact (like they'd know) are die-hard Wilder fans because it suits them to believe it. You deny that you're one of them but you consistently call me out on anything I say about him in a very aggressive fashion. Anybody'd think I was trying to steal your chick.

candyslim wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 15:34

The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 15:08 I thought Joshua should have outbid Wilder for Fury following the draw, as most saw Tyson as the winner. But if Fury outboxes Wilder in the rematch, then that just brings us closer to Joshua vs Fury for the lineal/undisputed championship after all.

He probably did but you have to factor in Fwank, a man who would probably throw a million quid on a bonfire if that meant Hearn would have to do the same with ten million. His hatred for the upstart with the silver-spoon is profound .

Tyson Fury has not received an offer to face Joshua according to allegedly. So it is as I suspected - Hearn is fixated on the WBC belt and wants to return to the time before Wilder vs Fury, rather than Make Joshua vs Fury on April 13!

I'm not sure I'd believe that man if he said snow was white but you could be right, I guess it's more likely thay haven't received an offer if he says they haven't.

OK so now the rematch is to take place in the U.S. but Fury wants to fight in the U.K. first. Eddie Hearn, for his part has just expressed his frustration dealing with Wilder's team. I think you can get where I'm going with this. Make Joshua vs Fury on April 13. Let's get it trending.

candyslim wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019, 03:30 If that were the case then wouldn't we have heard from Finkel or Dibella or Wilder himself about the unreasonable demands placed on him by the spawn of Satan, Eddie Hearn?. Of course we would. Those guys are hardly what you'd call reticent.

The only people to put forward that theory as if it were fact (like they'd know) are die-hard Wilder fans because it suits them to believe it. You deny that you're one of them but you consistently call me out on anything I say about him in a very aggressive fashion. Anybody'd think I was trying to steal your chick.

Lol, wilder is where I got that. You're welcome to any of my chicks if it would get you over your wilder obsession. It's creepy.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019, 17:54

candyslim wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019, 03:30 If that were the case then wouldn't we have heard from Finkel or Dibella or Wilder himself about the unreasonable demands placed on him by the spawn of Satan, Eddie Hearn?. Of course we would. Those guys are hardly what you'd call reticent.

The only people to put forward that theory as if it were fact (like they'd know) are die-hard Wilder fans because it suits them to believe it. You deny that you're one of them but you consistently call me out on anything I say about him in a very aggressive fashion. Anybody'd think I was trying to steal your chick.

Lol, wilder is where I got that. You're welcome to any of my chicks if it would get you over your wilder obsession. It's creepy.

Well I've never heard it from Wilder. All I've heard is Kings chase Kings and all the rest of that hot air

Anway, even if he did say that it doesn't mean it's true, but you'd expect a man with an alleged obsession to be aware of his Wilder claims wouldn't you?

For the record one of my main interests is boxing, primarily the heavyweight division. I post about every heavyweight who is relevant and whatever you say about Wilder, the WBC champion is one of the most relevant heavyweights in the division. If you want to see that as an obsession be my guest.

Tyson Fury should be the man in the driver's seat. He can fight Joshua or Wilder in his next fight. Joshua to dangle those belts in front of him and the Battle of Britain is on! The battle isn't Brook vs Khan anymore folks.
As an American I have nothing against Deontay Wilder. I say give him the first crack at the winner. He'll be winding up for it the whole time ha.

candyslim wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019, 03:47

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019, 17:54

candyslim wrote: ↑14 Jan 2019, 03:30 If that were the case then wouldn't we have heard from Finkel or Dibella or Wilder himself about the unreasonable demands placed on him by the spawn of Satan, Eddie Hearn?. Of course we would. Those guys are hardly what you'd call reticent.

The only people to put forward that theory as if it were fact (like they'd know) are die-hard Wilder fans because it suits them to believe it. You deny that you're one of them but you consistently call me out on anything I say about him in a very aggressive fashion. Anybody'd think I was trying to steal your chick.

Lol, wilder is where I got that. You're welcome to any of my chicks if it would get you over your wilder obsession. It's creepy.

Well I've never heard it from Wilder. All I've heard is Kings chase Kings and all the rest of that hot air

Anway, even if he did say that it doesn't mean it's true, but you'd expect a man with an alleged obsession to be aware of his Wilder claims wouldn't you?

For the record one of my main interests is boxing, primarily the heavyweight division. I post about every heavyweight who is relevant and whatever you say about Wilder, the WBC champion is one of the most relevant heavyweights in the division. If you want to see that as an obsession be my guest.

From where I sit (here on the west coast of North America) it is obvious that AJ will 1) only fight in the UK, and 2) only take soft fights/opponents. AJ and his people will continue to avoid DW & TF so long as there is a HW available not named Wilder or Fury to whom they can dictate terms.

And frankly, I don't really care that AJ is a ducker... largely because he/his fights hold zero interest for me. He's never fought outside of the UK, so I consider him a regional belt-holder at best - not a champ & not a world title-holder. IMO, AJ has still everything to prove. Beating old ukrainians & a game kiwi isn't much of a resume. There have been two clear (real) HW challengers out there for 4+ years, and AJ has done absolutely nothing to get himself in the ring with either guy. And there's no way in hell that AJ will fight DW or TF in '19, so his ducking routine will stretch to 5 full years and counting...

OTOH, I will happily watch a Wilder/Fury rematch - at least those two guys WANT to prove something beyond the payday.

Having said all that, the HW division is still pretty weak (relative to the lighter divisions, almost all of which have a lb.-for-lb. contender or several). I think Wilder has all the tools but he's cursed w/ a 5-cent head & predictably fights like a thug, not a boxer. I think Fury could probably rule the division if he stayed sharp/in-shape, which he won't. And we have no idea what AJ really is because he'll never fight anyone viable, and he'll never take a tough fight abroad, IMO.

There is no interest in AJ vs. Whyte, and there is no interest in AJ vs. Miller, either.

Outside of the UK, there isn't much interest in AJ at all. He clearly doesn't want to take any real fights, so who cares?

He can sell-out Wembley 10x but he'll still be a regional champ, at best. So he'll get rich fighting stiffs, and in 10 yrs. people will say, "Anthony who? He must not have fought anyone worthwhile, cuz I don't remember him at all...".

Joshua vs Wilder is the bout that is dead in the water for me because it is questionable whether Wilder won 5 rounds against Fury thereby justifying the draw. Wilder has to rematch Fury now but he might not get bailed out by his power this time. Fury having won the majority of the rounds has good reason to believe that he can lift that belt but it is a smaller prize imo than beating Joshua and also a smaller risk because he already knows he can beat Wilder.

Joshua is a ducker now? Lmao

Some people are too stupid even to bother to contradict.

mpower wrote: ↑15 Jan 2019, 23:41 There is no interest in AJ vs. Whyte, and there is no interest in AJ vs. Miller, either.

Outside of the UK, there isn't much interest in AJ at all. He clearly doesn't want to take any real fights, so who cares?

He can sell-out Wembley 10x but he'll still be a regional champ, at best. So he'll get rich fighting stiffs, and in 10 yrs. people will say, "Anthony who? He must not have fought anyone worthwhile, cuz I don't remember him at all...".

If you take one look at The RING’s ratings at the time AJ competed in his last eight bouts, it actually seems kind of bizarre for anyone to claim that the Brit is “ducking”, should be considered as being a “regional champ” or not having "fought anyone worthwhile":

Anthony Joshua:

• Dillian Whyte (unranked & unbeaten - he is currently rated 4th though)
• Charles Martin (10th, the IBF champ & also unbeaten)
• Dominic Breazeale (unranked and unbeaten, but was very recently rated 8th though)
• Eric Molina (unranked)
• Wladimir Klitschko (2nd, a future Hall-of-Famer & only tasted defeat once in the 13 years prior)
• Carlos Takam (unranked, but was the IBF's mandatory & a late substitute opponent for Kubrat Pulev, who was ranked 4th at the time)
• Joseph Parker (3rd, the WBO champ & also unbeaten)
• Alexander Povetkin (3rd, the WBA's mandatory challenger, hadn't tasted defeat for five years, with his sole loss in a career spanning 13½ years coming against a dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famer)

ajs been moved more ambitiously then any other hw champ or contender around

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Jan 2019, 11:30 ajs been moved more ambitiously then any other hw champ or contender around

All 3 guys at the top are more than willing to fight anybody. That should be crystal clear to anyone without an agenda.