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Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 18 Jan 2019, 19:45
by elmersalsa
Nile4000 wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 16:56 Sweet Pea was great, though I still feel Howard Davis Jr would have beaten him.
No way in hell!

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 18 Jan 2019, 19:51
by oogiebe
elmersalsa wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 19:45
Nile4000 wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 16:56 Sweet Pea was great, though I still feel Howard Davis Jr would have beaten him.
No way in hell!
It had to be tongue in cheek. (I hope).

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 04:09
by Onetimeonly
oogiebe wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 19:51
elmersalsa wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 19:45
Nile4000 wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 16:56 Sweet Pea was great, though I still feel Howard Davis Jr would have beaten him.
No way in hell!
It had to be tongue in cheek. (I hope).
Nile likes to push the envelope. Davis was one of my first favorites but that's a horrible match up for him.

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: On of my all time faves!

Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 06:07
by Counter-puncher
oogiebe wrote: 17 Jan 2019, 21:02
elmersalsa wrote: 17 Jan 2019, 21:00 Not to mention that he was very, very strong on the inside exchanges. A true and very underrated boxer and all time great. A true master. The Fighter of the 90s decade.
Terrific inside game, as I had mentioned. Nice to see he has some appreciation. I'd take him over FMJ any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
yah, he absolutely raped Mcgirt on the inside with bodyshots and uppercuts

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 07:51
by banjo
Great boxer, my favourite Sweet Pea moment was when he was under the cosh from the unbeaten Cuban Diosbelys Hurtado, dropped twice and behind on points and then turned the fight on its head in the 11th and stopped him.

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 11:15
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: 19 Jan 2019, 04:09
oogiebe wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 19:51
elmersalsa wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 19:45

No way in hell!
It had to be tongue in cheek. (I hope).
Nile likes to push the envelope. Davis was one of my first favorites but that's a horrible match up for him.
Davis JR had a great amateur career but it never really translated to the pros.

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 18:53
by Onetimeonly
oogiebe wrote: 19 Jan 2019, 11:15
Onetimeonly wrote: 19 Jan 2019, 04:09
oogiebe wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 19:51
It had to be tongue in cheek. (I hope).
Nile likes to push the envelope. Davis was one of my first favorites but that's a horrible match up for him.
Davis JR had a great amateur career but it never really translated to the pros.
He had some excellent results as a pro, Whitaker wouldn't be one of them.

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 20 Jan 2019, 10:56
by Nile4000
elmersalsa wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 19:45
Nile4000 wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 16:56 Sweet Pea was great, though I still feel Howard Davis Jr would have beaten him.
No way in hell!
Howard is no slouch in the skill department. And of course, the speed is top notch. Be definitely the fastest guy Pernell would have faced.

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 20 Jan 2019, 10:58
by Nile4000
oogiebe wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 17:13
Nile4000 wrote: 18 Jan 2019, 16:56 Sweet Pea was great, though I still feel Howard Davis Jr would have beaten him.
:o
:TU:

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 06 Feb 2019, 14:36
by Jacopodb
Double post, sorry: see post below.
Thanks.

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 06 Feb 2019, 14:37
by Jacopodb
oogiebe wrote: 17 Jan 2019, 17:46 watched some Pernell Whitaker fights and highlight reels today. He was so freakin' great. As good defensively or better than FMJ and way more offense. In his prime, no one could beat him. He was absolutely robbed vs Ramirez, (the back story with Sulaiman and Chavez smelled of shvt) and I gave a past prime Whitaker the dec vs De La Hoya . I'm not even mentioning his fight with JCC, as it was the worst decision of them all. Watching him really tells you where he got his nickname from. It was a "sweet" stroll down memory lane for me.
"Sweet pea" was a sort of Mayweather Jr. without brittle bones...

...you must read between the lines, of course: he had a similar style, he was the p4p greatest in the world, at his peak, and could also throw a punch, but, as time went on, and his speed waned, his boxing proficiency considerably decreased: Whitaker belongs in that class of (great, nevertheless) fighters relying too much on their speed: Alí, Roy Jones Jr., and Tyson, are the first that cone to my mind: unstoppable in their prime, but guiltily unfit when they reached a certain age; those kind of fighters are usually overrated, while fighters that were always fit for the job, such as Marciano, Calzaghe, and Floyd Jr., are usually underrated, or even offended, because they fought on equal terms with all of their opponents, and nerdy fans who barely even took a punch in their entire life, or simply are frustrated for some reason, mistake that responsibile, prudent behaviour for cowardice, claiming that those fighters are boring, slappy, or "fighting old bums".

Whitaker was in the same class as Floyd Jr., but no better than him by any means, not defensively, nor offensively, nor by any other mean: Floyd Jr. had better makings, greater skills and I.Q., and better work-ethics, and arguably more.

Whitaker used to showboat a lot, and that might hijack some opinions, but he didn't meet no Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, and J.M. Marquez.

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 06 Feb 2019, 14:41
by oogiebe
Jacopodb wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 14:37
oogiebe wrote: 17 Jan 2019, 17:46 watched some Pernell Whitaker fights and highlight reels today. He was so freakin' great. As good defensively or better than FMJ and way more offense. In his prime, no one could beat him. He was absolutely robbed vs Ramirez, (the back story with Sulaiman and Chavez smelled of shvt) and I gave a past prime Whitaker the dec vs De La Hoya . I'm not even mentioning his fight with JCC, as it was the worst decision of them all. Watching him really tells you where he got his nickname from. It was a "sweet" stroll down memory lane for me.
"Sweet pea" was a sort of Mayweather Jr. without brittle bones...

...you must read between the lines, of course: he had a similar style, he was the p4p greatest in the world, at his peak, and could also throw a punch, but, as time went on, and his speed waned, his boxing proficiency considerably decreased: Whitaker belongs in that class of (great, nevertheless) fighters relying too much on their speed: Alí, Roy Jones Jr., and Tyson, are the first that cone to my mind: unstoppable in their prime, but guiltily unfit when they reached a certain age; those kind of fighters are usually overrated, while fighters that were always fit for the job, such as Marciano, Calzaghe, and Floyd Jr., are usually underrated, or even offended, because they fought on equal terms with all of their opponents, and nerdy fans who barely even took a punch in their entire life, or simply are frustrated for some reason, mistake that responsibile, prudent behaviour for cowardice, claiming that those fighters are boring, slappy, or "fighting old bums".

Whitaker was in the same class as Floyd Jr., but no better than him by any means, not defensively, nor offensively, nor by any other mean: Floyd Jr. had better makings, greater skills and I.Q., and better work-ethics, and arguably more.

Whitaker used to showboat a lot, and that might hijack some opinions, but he didn't meet no Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, and J.M. Marquez.
It wasn't enough words the first time, you had to post it twice???

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 06 Feb 2019, 15:03
by Jacopodb
oogiebe wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 14:41
Jacopodb wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 14:37
oogiebe wrote: 17 Jan 2019, 17:46 watched some Pernell Whitaker fights and highlight reels today. He was so freakin' great. As good defensively or better than FMJ and way more offense. In his prime, no one could beat him. He was absolutely robbed vs Ramirez, (the back story with Sulaiman and Chavez smelled of shvt) and I gave a past prime Whitaker the dec vs De La Hoya . I'm not even mentioning his fight with JCC, as it was the worst decision of them all. Watching him really tells you where he got his nickname from. It was a "sweet" stroll down memory lane for me.
"Sweet pea" was a sort of Mayweather Jr. without brittle bones...

...you must read between the lines, of course: he had a similar style, he was the p4p greatest in the world, at his peak, and could also throw a punch, but, as time went on, and his speed waned, his boxing proficiency considerably decreased: Whitaker belongs in that class of (great, nevertheless) fighters relying too much on their speed: Alí, Roy Jones Jr., and Tyson, are the first that cone to my mind: unstoppable in their prime, but guiltily unfit when they reached a certain age; those kind of fighters are usually overrated, while fighters that were always fit for the job, such as Marciano, Calzaghe, and Floyd Jr., are usually underrated, or even offended, because they fought on equal terms with all of their opponents, and nerdy fans who barely even took a punch in their entire life, or simply are frustrated for some reason, mistake that responsibile, prudent behaviour for cowardice, claiming that those fighters are boring, slappy, or "fighting old bums".

Whitaker was in the same class as Floyd Jr., but no better than him by any means, not defensively, nor offensively, nor by any other mean: Floyd Jr. had better makings, greater skills and I.Q., and better work-ethics, and arguably more.

Whitaker used to showboat a lot, and that might hijack some opinions, but he didn't meet no Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, and J.M. Marquez.
It wasn't enough words the first time, you had to post it twice???
Uh, sorry, double click. My bad, how do I delete it now?

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 06 Feb 2019, 15:07
by oogiebe
Jacopodb wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 15:03
oogiebe wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 14:41
Jacopodb wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 14:37
oogiebe wrote: 17 Jan 2019, 17:46 watched some Pernell Whitaker fights and highlight reels today. He was so freakin' great. As good defensively or better than FMJ and way more offense. In his prime, no one could beat him. He was absolutely robbed vs Ramirez, (the back story with Sulaiman and Chavez smelled of shvt) and I gave a past prime Whitaker the dec vs De La Hoya . I'm not even mentioning his fight with JCC, as it was the worst decision of them all. Watching him really tells you where he got his nickname from. It was a "sweet" stroll down memory lane for me.
"Sweet pea" was a sort of Mayweather Jr. without brittle bones...

...you must read between the lines, of course: he had a similar style, he was the p4p greatest in the world, at his peak, and could also throw a punch, but, as time went on, and his speed waned, his boxing proficiency considerably decreased: Whitaker belongs in that class of (great, nevertheless) fighters relying too much on their speed: Alí, Roy Jones Jr., and Tyson, are the first that cone to my mind: unstoppable in their prime, but guiltily unfit when they reached a certain age; those kind of fighters are usually overrated, while fighters that were always fit for the job, such as Marciano, Calzaghe, and Floyd Jr., are usually underrated, or even offended, because they fought on equal terms with all of their opponents, and nerdy fans who barely even took a punch in their entire life, or simply are frustrated for some reason, mistake that responsibile, prudent behaviour for cowardice, claiming that those fighters are boring, slappy, or "fighting old bums".

Whitaker was in the same class as Floyd Jr., but no better than him by any means, not defensively, nor offensively, nor by any other mean: Floyd Jr. had better makings, greater skills and I.Q., and better work-ethics, and arguably more.

Whitaker used to showboat a lot, and that might hijack some opinions, but he didn't meet no Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, and J.M. Marquez.
It wasn't enough words the first time, you had to post it twice???
Uh, sorry, double click. My bad, how do I delete it now?
Only one of them was replied to so you should be able to hit "X" on the top of the post that wasn't.

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 06 Feb 2019, 15:16
by Jacopodb
oogiebe wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 15:07
Jacopodb wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 15:03
oogiebe wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 14:41
Jacopodb wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 14:37
oogiebe wrote: 17 Jan 2019, 17:46 watched some Pernell Whitaker fights and highlight reels today. He was so freakin' great. As good defensively or better than FMJ and way more offense. In his prime, no one could beat him. He was absolutely robbed vs Ramirez, (the back story with Sulaiman and Chavez smelled of shvt) and I gave a past prime Whitaker the dec vs De La Hoya . I'm not even mentioning his fight with JCC, as it was the worst decision of them all. Watching him really tells you where he got his nickname from. It was a "sweet" stroll down memory lane for me.
"Sweet pea" was a sort of Mayweather Jr. without brittle bones...

...you must read between the lines, of course: he had a similar style, he was the p4p greatest in the world, at his peak, and could also throw a punch, but, as time went on, and his speed waned, his boxing proficiency considerably decreased: Whitaker belongs in that class of (great, nevertheless) fighters relying too much on their speed: Alí, Roy Jones Jr., and Tyson, are the first that cone to my mind: unstoppable in their prime, but guiltily unfit when they reached a certain age; those kind of fighters are usually overrated, while fighters that were always fit for the job, such as Marciano, Calzaghe, and Floyd Jr., are usually underrated, or even offended, because they fought on equal terms with all of their opponents, and nerdy fans who barely even took a punch in their entire life, or simply are frustrated for some reason, mistake that responsibile, prudent behaviour for cowardice, claiming that those fighters are boring, slappy, or "fighting old bums".

Whitaker was in the same class as Floyd Jr., but no better than him by any means, not defensively, nor offensively, nor by any other mean: Floyd Jr. had better makings, greater skills and I.Q., and better work-ethics, and arguably more.

Whitaker used to showboat a lot, and that might hijack some opinions, but he didn't meet no Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, and J.M. Marquez.
It wasn't enough words the first time, you had to post it twice???
Uh, sorry, double click. My bad, how do I delete it now?
Only one of them was replied to so you should be able to hit "X" on the top of the post that wasn't.
Thanks anyway, but the problem was that I had replied to a post, to write that.

Too bad, I just edited it. :wave:

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 06 Feb 2019, 15:18
by oogiebe
No worries. we just added several more of them! LMAO! :lol:

Re: Sweet Pea Whitaker: One of my all time faves!

Posted: 07 Feb 2019, 04:56
by Jacopodb
oogiebe wrote: 06 Feb 2019, 15:18 No worries. we just added several more of them! LMAO! :lol:
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