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is it tony who thinks all inactive fighters are drug addicts?

It is best just to ignore any WBA belt or champion. They are total crap with their million belts system.

chuck9788 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 14:47

SteveO wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 14:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 14:04Bryan is WBA Regular Champion, if I'm not mistaken.

Manuel Charr is still the WBA 'Regular' champion.
Trevor Bryan is the WBA 'Interim' champion.

This is confusing. Isn't Anthony Joshua the WBA Champion?

Indeed, and Fres Oquendo is Challenger Emeritus...

I have often wondered what the hell inactive boxers do with themselves between fights. Domic Breazele is another which could be on that list with 13 months between his last 2 fights.

Do these guys have part time jobs or what? Unless they are independantly wealthy, surely boxers would need at least 2 fights a year with a noteable opponent to cover training costs and daily living.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 15:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 14:04

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 13:57

Trevor Bryan is ranked #1 by the WBA so I don't think we will see him in the ring with anyone of note until he gets either Joshua or Charr

Bryan is WBA Regular Champion, if I'm not mistaken. I don't really regard Bryon too highly, but how does this inactivity help him prepare for either Joshua or Charr which is like Filet Mignon to Corn Beef Hash.

Trevor Bryan is interm champ
Charr is still regular champ
Joshua is super champ

WBA titles come in Super, Regular, Interim, Global, Emeritus, Family, and Economy size.

I understand they're working on a few new ones.

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 11:23

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 15:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 14:04
Bryan is WBA Regular Champion, if I'm not mistaken. I don't really regard Bryon too highly, but how does this inactivity help him prepare for either Joshua or Charr which is like Filet Mignon to Corn Beef Hash.

Trevor Bryan is interm champ
Charr is still regular champ
Joshua is super champ

WBA titles come in Super, Regular, Interim, Global, Emeritus, Family, and Economy size.

I understand they're working on a few new ones.

damn I hate the WBA more than all other organizations combined

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 12:58

candyslim wrote: ↑21 Jan 2019, 11:23

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 15:15

Trevor Bryan is interm champ
Charr is still regular champ
Joshua is super champ

WBA titles come in Super, Regular, Interim, Global, Emeritus, Family, and Economy size.

I understand they're working on a few new ones.

damn I hate the WBA more than all other organizations combined

That's because they have more belts than all the organizations combined!

Right now, none of the top 25 heavyweights are scheduled for a fight.

Seems to me promoters are being slow to make meaningful fights between contenders.

Why is Whyte so reluctant to sign the contract to fight Fury? He's wasting a lot of time. Why is the date for the Usyk-Joshua rematch still undecided? Why is Andy Ruiz wasting his prime with inactivity?

We need more contender vs contender fights in the division, instead of more like the many mismatches we had last year.

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑14 Feb 2022, 19:16 Right now, none of the top 25 heavyweights are scheduled for a fight.

Seems to me promoters are being slow to make meaningful fights between contenders.

Why is Whyte so reluctant to sign the contract to fight Fury? He's wasting a lot of time. Why is the date for the Usyk-Joshua rematch still undecided? Why is Andy Ruiz wasting his prime with inactivity?

We need more contender vs contender fights in the division, instead of more like the many mismatches we had last year.

Most of the top-ten world rated heavyweights have either recently fought (within the last five months) or have been inactive due to surgery to address injuries.

And of course, Fury-Whyte is just waiting for the official fight-date to be announced.

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑14 Feb 2022, 19:16 Why is Andy Ruiz wasting his prime with inactivity?

Good question. He has only fought 6 times in the past 5 years. With all his work in the gym after his loss to AJ in 2019, I would have expected at least 1 more stay busy type fight last year

nmhz wrote: ↑15 Feb 2022, 01:14

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑14 Feb 2022, 19:16 Why is Andy Ruiz wasting his prime with inactivity?

Good question. He has only fought 6 times in the past 5 years. With all his work in the gym after his loss to AJ in 2019, I would have expected at least 1 more stay busy type fight last year

Andy Ruiz Jr. actually engaged in ten bouts within a five-year spell between 2016 to 2021, but had to undergo knee surgery pretty much immediately after his most recent outing against Chris Arreola.

He’s only just recovered from the knee surgery and is currently out-of-shape, which means we probably won’t see him compete again until the summer months.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Feb 2022, 20:19 Most of the top-ten world rated heavyweights have either recently fought (within the last five months) or have been inactive due to surgery to address injuries.

And of course, Fury-Whyte is just waiting for the official fight-date to be announced.

Normally after 5 months of inactivity, shouldn't some of those heavyweights not have a fight scheduled for say, two or three months from now?

And I said top 25, not just the top ten. None of the top 25 on BoxRec have a fight scheduled. I don't think it's good for the fighters to have nothing scheduled for so long. And it causes fans to lose interest.

glad at least that big mak has a fight coming up, his 2nd in 5 months, which is good by his standards!

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑15 Feb 2022, 14:55

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Feb 2022, 20:19 Most of the top-ten world rated heavyweights have either recently fought (within the last five months) or have been inactive due to surgery to address injuries.

And of course, Fury-Whyte is just waiting for the official fight-date to be announced.

Normally after 5 months of inactivity, shouldn't some of those heavyweights not have a fight scheduled for say, two or three months from now?

And I said top 25, not just the top ten. None of the top 25 on BoxRec have a fight scheduled. I don't think it's good for the fighters to have nothing scheduled for so long. And it causes fans to lose interest.

I haven’t checked the ratings from 11 to 25, but your claims about the top-ten world-rated heavyweights are untrue.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Feb 2022, 18:09

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑15 Feb 2022, 14:55

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Feb 2022, 20:19 Most of the top-ten world rated heavyweights have either recently fought (within the last five months) or have been inactive due to surgery to address injuries.

And of course, Fury-Whyte is just waiting for the official fight-date to be announced.

Normally after 5 months of inactivity, shouldn't some of those heavyweights not have a fight scheduled for say, two or three months from now?

And I said top 25, not just the top ten. None of the top 25 on BoxRec have a fight scheduled. I don't think it's good for the fighters to have nothing scheduled for so long. And it causes fans to lose interest.

I haven’t checked the ratings from 11 to 25, but your claims about the top-ten world-rated heavyweights are untrue.

I never said the top ten, I said the top 25. Do you have a reading disability, or are you just obnoxious and argumentative?

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑15 Feb 2022, 21:28

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Feb 2022, 18:09

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑15 Feb 2022, 14:55 Normally after 5 months of inactivity, shouldn't some of those heavyweights not have a fight scheduled for say, two or three months from now?

And I said top 25, not just the top ten. None of the top 25 on BoxRec have a fight scheduled. I don't think it's good for the fighters to have nothing scheduled for so long. And it causes fans to lose interest.

I haven’t checked the ratings from 11 to 25, but your claims about the top-ten world-rated heavyweights are untrue.

I never said the top ten, I said the top 25. Do you have a reading disability, or are you just obnoxious and argumentative?

Perhaps I really do have a reading disability, who knows? But I must have found an ability to educate myself somehow, which I can give you tips on if you’d like?

Anyway, the vast majority of the top-25 world-rated heavyweights have recently fought within the last three to five months, with nearly all of the remainder being inactive due to injuries.

We also need to remember there were seven top-25 world-rated heavyweights that appeared on the Fury-Wilder III fight card.

We’ll probably see a similarly stacked card for the April 23rd Fury-Whyte event.

I also believe that boxing has traditionally always had “seasons” where there are very few events staged during specific periods of the year (to avoid programming clashes in the sporting calendar).

I just don’t feel there’s a problem- there’s always peaks and troughs when it comes to the scheduling of heavyweight bouts.

Let's take this forum's Top 15 HWs

1. Tyson Fury - 31(22) 0 1 - October 2021

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 19(13) 0 0 - September 2021

3. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 2(1) 0 - September 2021

4. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - October 2021

5. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 2(2) 0 - March 2021

6. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - December 2021

7. Andy Ruiz Jr - 34(22) 2(0) 0 - May 2021

8. Joe Joyce - 13(12) 0 0 - July 2021

9. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 2(2) 0 - January 2022

10. Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 2(2) 0 - December 2020

11. Tony Yoka - 11(9) 0 0 - September 2021

12. Otto Wallin - 22(14) 1(0) 0 - February 2022

13. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - October 2021

14. Frank Sanchez - 20(13) 0 0 - January 2022

15. Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 12(3) 0 - December 2021

So there's only 1 boxer that hasn't fought for more than a year which IMHO shouldn't even be in the ranking (Pulev). Let's check some other candidates:

Efe Ajagba - October 2021
Arslanbek Makhmudov - September 2021
Michael Hunter - December 2021
Martin Bakole - September 2021
Hughie Fury - October 2021
Charles Martin - January 2022
Agit Kabayel - June 2021
Adam Kownacki - October 2021
Daniel Dubois - August 2021
Ali Eren Demirezen - January 2022
Johann Duhaupas - November 2021
Zhan Kossobutskiy - November 2021
Zhilei Zhang - November 2021
Filip Hrgović - December 2021
Murat Gassiev - July 2021
Demsey McKean - November 2021
Simon Kean - June 2021

There's been quite a lot of action recently.

Yoka’s fight with Bakole is rescheduled now.

Should have been Jan, but covid messed with that. And yeh most HW’s do tend to fight on a card which is headlined by HW’s these days.

Joshua fights often in October and even now I cringe a bit when he gets on the mike and wishes all his fans a happy Christmas !!!!

Only 6 of the top 50 heavyweights currently have a fight scheduled:

https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Brole% ... 5D=a&r_go=

Covid restrictions are no longer a good excuse for promoters and managers leaving boxers inactive. The fighters coming off a loss from last year, need to get back in the ring - a long period of inactivity after a loss can sometimes ruin a fighter.

Quite a bit of action in the HW division now...

Upcoming fights:

August 20: Hrgovic - Zhang
August 20: Usyk - AJ
August 26: Gassiev - Welch (?)
September 4: Ruiz - Ortiz
September 16: Makhmudov - Takam
September 24: Joyce - Parker
October (?): Wilder - Helenius

CMCanavessi wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022, 20:16 Quite a bit of action in the HW division now...

Upcoming fights:

August 20: Hrgovic - Zhang
August 20: Usyk - AJ
August 26: Gassiev - Welch (?)
September 4: Ruiz - Ortiz
September 16: Makhmudov - Takam
September 24: Joyce - Parker
October (?): Wilder - Helenius

Is Wilder-Helenius anywhere near being actually confirmed? Also got Hughie Fury-Hunter rumoured to be November 12th, and Wardley-Gorman for the British title sometime in the fall. Sprong-Tabiti on the AJ card as well.

Adding Ajagba's comeback fight


August 20: Hrgovic - Zhang
August 20: Usyk - AJ
August 26: Gassiev - Welch (who?)
August 27: Ajagba - Darmos (who?)
September 4: Ruiz - Ortiz
September 16: Makhmudov - Takam
September 24: Joyce - Parker
October (?): Wilder - Helenius

For Ajagba there's no point in coming back against a noname. He lost in a mild fashion, so to speak. I mean, there was no battery or injuries. Just got schooled. And now he has no 0 to protect. So, there's logic to take on challenging fights, to prove that you can do it. Yet he faces a noname.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Jan 2019, 12:54 With all the recent activity within the heavyweight division, I'm somewhat surprised at the lack of activity among some fringe contenders and prospects, such as...

Agit Kabayel:_____ Last fight 4/2018
Ivan Dychko:_____ Last fight 7/2018
Andy Ruiz Jr:_____ Last fight 7/2018 (hasn't missed a meal though)
Tony Yoka:_____ Last Fight 6/2018 (back from suspension...no fight scheduled or even rumored)
Izuagbe Ugonoh: __Last Fight 5/2018
Jermaine Franklin: _Last Fight 7/2018
Trevor Bryan _____ Last Fight 8/2018

Yet, these guys retain their ranking or have even moved up over the time from their last bout. seems odd to me.

Most of the heavyweight division is not active. The demand for fights is not there or the simply do want to fight. Otherwise these fringe contenders would at the very least fight each other, Yet they hope for Wilder or Fury like cherry picks.