'WHY ALWAYS THE BLACK FIGHTERS EXPECTED TO ACT A CERTAIN WAY TO SELL A FIGHT?' - TERENCE CRAWFORD

[jamamb]

lol most white top level boxers fighting in the usa over the last years speak broken english, imagine ggg trying to talk mad trash that comes from his mouthin english and not through someone else or a crafted press release etc

guys thinking that was a racist question are straight up snowflakes

[Enlightened-One]

Good on ya Crawford.
Having a personality helps sell a fight, being dynamic and exciting in the ring helps too. You don't have to be a knob head either.
Joshua and Alvaroid make tons of money and neither sell fights by mouthing off. In fact, Canelo has the personality of a wet dishcloth.

Anthony Joshua appears on a lot of TV shows. So he has enough charisma to enamour the media, without needing to resort to trash talking.

I could be wrong, but Crawford doesn’t seem comfortable when being interviewed. And the only time he grabs the headlines, when he’s not fighting, is due to his complaints about others.

Crawford is probably a decent dude, but he needs training on how to conduct himself when liaising with the media, like a lot of other athletes receive. He isn’t selling himself very well.

[Best Coast]

Actualy, i think black fighter, who will act nice outside of ring will get a lot of nonblack fans IMO and that eman a lot of money.

Mayweather didnt become a trash-talker until he dumped Arum and signed with Golden Boy Promotions to fight Oscar. His biggest selling PPV before he left Arum was 450,000 against Arturo Gatti. Arum was (and still is) an old-school promoter and doesnt employ the basic marketing principle that PPV buys=Fans+Haters. like GBP did.

GBP schooled Floyd to trash-talk Oscar in his first GBP match and it sold triple the number of PPV that the Gatti PPV sold and Floyd has played the villain ever since. That actually fits his personality better than the quiet, less-controversial Floyd that couldnt sell jack!! Even changed his nickname from "Pretty Boy" to "Money". The Mayweather-Oscar fight is still the highest-selling PPV that Oscar ever had, even higher than his one with Pacquiao. Floyd went on to surpass the 1.5 million PPV buys he had vs Oscar with almost a million more vs Canelo & TWO MILLION more vs Pacquiao. He could have NEVER done that if he stayed with Arum and remained the same quiet, low-key fighter that Crawford is now.

If Crawford decided to adopt the persona of the trash-talking villain like Floyd so easily did he would never match Floyd's PPV numbers, but would EASILY DOUBLE HIS OWN PPV NUMBERS!! But that's not who Terence is and I respect him for that.

[ironbeard]

Crawford has deep seeded anger issues that I believe are rooted in his mother’s nastiness. He projects those onto anyone who he detects setting expectations for him, as well as anyone he faces off against.

I suspect that his angry response is subconsciously aimed at his mother, who I further suspect of attempting to influence him to be more of the stereotypical arrogant, mouthy black boxer, i.e. FMJ, Charlos, Ali.

I like Bud just the way he is; supremely skilled with a massive mommy chip on his shoulder.

What mother issues are you referring to?

His mother essentially put a bounty on him as a child. She offered to pay kids to try and kick his ass.

THAT has got to be a major mind and physical challenge for a kid. I think that he is still proving it to any doubters, and I think that he counterbalances it with his own children.

Crawford is an excellent role model in my book.

[Best Coast]

Crawford has deep seeded anger issues that I believe are rooted in his mother’s nastiness. He projects those onto anyone who he detects setting expectations for him, as well as anyone he faces off against.

I suspect that his angry response is subconsciously aimed at his mother, who I further suspect of attempting to influence him to be more of the stereotypical arrogant, mouthy black boxer, i.e. FMJ, Charlos, Ali.

I like Bud just the way he is; supremely skilled with a massive mommy chip on his shoulder.

What mother issues are you referring to?

His mother essentially put a bounty on him as a child. She offered to pay kids to try and kick his ass.

THAT has got to be a major mind and physical challenge for a kid. I think that he is still proving it to any doubters, and I think that he counterbalances it with his own children.

Crawford is an excellent role model in my book.

I totally agree & I like your point about TC having a chip on his shoulder. MANY great athletes have a chip on their shoulder and used it as excellent motivation to improve & shut up their critics. New England Patriot QB Tom Brady (who I am NOT a fan of) still has a chip on his shoulder that keeps him motivated at age 41. When asked by an interviewer about so many media people (+fans in general) who said in the regular season that he was too old & the Pats dynasty was dead, Brady said "Everybody says we suck but we'll just see how it goes in these playoffs." Kobe Bryant is another example of an athlete who used the chip on his shoulder as motivation. They said he "could never win an NBA title without Shaq O'Neal on his team" but he ended up winning 2 more rings without Shaq (who was only able to win one without Kobe after they parted company).

But Bud Crawford is the first athlete I've heard of whose momma gave him the chip on his shoulder.

[tiny_acres]

Crawford has deep seeded anger issues that I believe are rooted in his mother’s nastiness. He projects those onto anyone who he detects setting expectations for him, as well as anyone he faces off against.

I suspect that his angry response is subconsciously aimed at his mother, who I further suspect of attempting to influence him to be more of the stereotypical arrogant, mouthy black boxer, i.e. FMJ, Charlos, Ali.

I like Bud just the way he is; supremely skilled with a massive mommy chip on his shoulder.

What mother issues are you referring to?

His mother essentially put a bounty on him as a child. She offered to pay kids to try and kick his ass.

THAT has got to be a major mind and physical challenge for a kid. I think that he is still proving it to any doubters, and I think that he counterbalances it with his own children.

Crawford is an excellent role model in my book.

Damn that's messed up.

[Thomastearns]

Regardless of race fighters need to understand that the fight alone is not enough anymore for people to care and tune in. If you are not a KO artist you better come up with something to make your self interesting. Might be a weird thing to say , even sound WWE esque but i think trainers should give special attention to developing charisma as important as working the mitts for fighters with high hopes. Have a day to practice your public speaking, even develop a character. Not an extreme gimmick but something that makes people care. Some have the national pride thing going like Pacquiao and Canelo but that doesnt seem to be a thing for american fighters. Some choose the stereotype template. You have the Charlos, Gervonta, Broner etc going for the Trap King kind of vibe but it doesnt have to be just that. Come up with your own gimmick but you need to come up with something if you want to get more than just the hardcore fans watching.

Good points.

Boxing's always needed something special to get more than the just an hardcore audience.
It's high time the fighters realised that social media is not just something to make a fool of themselves on.

I think we see some of this in the way the Hearns have managed AJ. So far it's paid back dividends. The fact that he is a KO artist doesn't hurt either. Tyson Fury has also started to get more serious online. Wilder is also usually good fun outside the ring. The real challenge is to keep producing the results inside the ring whilst developing an interesting persona outside it.

Hopefully we will see Danny Jacobs follow suit, because if anyone has a great 'back' story it's him. But he must keep winning, because merely being a good guy is not nearly enough in boxing.

Jacobs is a hero no doubt, talk about triumph over adversity.

[Nondescript]

Black fighters are almost expected to be more loud and obnoxious outside of the ring.

Who by? People that believe in derogatory racial stereotypes? If that’s the case, you’re referring to a very tiny minority.

Not really. If you look at how Floyd carried himself and you've also got Broner now.

There's almost this expectation that African American fighters are more bragadocious and cocky and arrogant because of how Mayweather in particular used to be, and it worked for him as well because he had a ridiculous amount of money acting that way. Whereas you look at Andre Ward, a fighter on a similar level skill wise to Floyd, but a guy that had a completely different persona to Floyd, he didn't make anywhere near the same amount of money throughout his career.

[Nondescript]

Good on ya Crawford.
Having a personality helps sell a fight, being dynamic and exciting in the ring helps too. You don't have to be a knob head either.
Joshua and Alvaroid make tons of money and neither sell fights by mouthing off. In fact, Canelo has the personality of a wet dishcloth.

Anthony Joshua appears on a lot of TV shows. So he has enough charisma to enamour the media, without needing to resort to trash talking.

I could be wrong, but Crawford doesn’t seem comfortable when being interviewed. And the only time he grabs the headlines, when he’s not fighting, is due to his complaints about others.

Crawford is probably a decent dude, but he needs training on how to conduct himself when liaising with the media, like a lot of other athletes receive. He isn’t selling himself very well.

That's completely different though. Joshua is big in the UK in particular and the UK loves the underdog, so the guy that comes across as humble and likeable tends to fare better than the cocky asshole. Bruno was a great example of that.

[oogiebe]

Black fighters are almost expected to be more loud and obnoxious outside of the ring.

Who by? People that believe in derogatory racial stereotypes? If that’s the case, you’re referring to a very tiny minority.

Not really. If you look at how Floyd carried himself and you've also got Broner now.

There's almost this expectation that African American fighters are more bragadocious and cocky and arrogant because of how Mayweather in particular used to be, and it worked for him as well because he had a ridiculous amount of money acting that way. Whereas you look at Andre Ward, a fighter on a similar level skill wise to Floyd, but a guy that had a completely different persona to Floyd, he didn't make anywhere near the same amount of money throughout his career.

I look at Mike Tyson. When he was a well-spoken and polite young man he was extremely popular and considered a "Breath of fresh air." When he got with Don King, he became a monster and was massively unpopular but still sold PPV's. It's a choice of 'attitudes' that has less impact on generating money than the thread would let on.

[Enlightened-One]

Black fighters are almost expected to be more loud and obnoxious outside of the ring.

Who by? People that believe in derogatory racial stereotypes? If that’s the case, you’re referring to a very tiny minority.

Not really. If you look at how Floyd carried himself and you've also got Broner now.

You’re always going to find people trying to emulate a winning formula. And let’s face it, it’s worked for Broner, because despite his poor form for the last five years or so, he’s one of Showtime’s biggest draws and continues to receive multi-million dollar paydays.

[IKSRTFO]

Good on ya Crawford.
Having a personality helps sell a fight, being dynamic and exciting in the ring helps too. You don't have to be a knob head either.
Joshua and Alvaroid make tons of money and neither sell fights by mouthing off. In fact, Canelo has the personality of a wet dishcloth.

Anthony Joshua appears on a lot of TV shows. So he has enough charisma to enamour the media, without needing to resort to trash talking.

I could be wrong, but Crawford doesn’t seem comfortable when being interviewed. And the only time he grabs the headlines, when he’s not fighting, is due to his complaints about others.

Crawford is probably a decent dude, but he needs training on how to conduct himself when liaising with the media, like a lot of other athletes receive. He isn’t selling himself very well.

That's completely different though. Joshua is big in the UK in particular and the UK loves the underdog, so the guy that comes across as humble and likeable tends to fare better than the cocky asshole. Bruno was a great example of that.

It's also the UK where mid-level boxing is bigger. Crawford would be a sure star if he was from the UK.

[Nondescript]

Anthony Joshua appears on a lot of TV shows. So he has enough charisma to enamour the media, without needing to resort to trash talking.

I could be wrong, but Crawford doesn’t seem comfortable when being interviewed. And the only time he grabs the headlines, when he’s not fighting, is due to his complaints about others.

Crawford is probably a decent dude, but he needs training on how to conduct himself when liaising with the media, like a lot of other athletes receive. He isn’t selling himself very well.

That's completely different though. Joshua is big in the UK in particular and the UK loves the underdog, so the guy that comes across as humble and likeable tends to fare better than the cocky asshole. Bruno was a great example of that.

It's also the UK where mid-level boxing is bigger. Crawford would be a sure star if he was from the UK.

Yeah. Crawford would be very big in the UK.

[caldo2025]

And that question has never been asked to any whitish boxers that I’d ever heard. So the question is in itself has a hint of racism if you ask me.

And how do you know this? Have you attended every single interview with every single white fighter throughout the course of history?

There’s nothing racist about asking a fighter the reason why they don’t try to sell their fights using a certain amount of showmanship!

Learn to read you child. “That I’ve ever heard”.

You’re even more of a child for not understanding what Max’s question was all about. Instead of cutting and pasting every article, why don’t you just read them and understand what the topic is first. God, you really must not have any friends. I’m sorry dude. It’s not my fault.

[Best Coast]

Black fighters are almost expected to be more loud and obnoxious outside of the ring.

Who by? People that believe in derogatory racial stereotypes? If that’s the case, you’re referring to a very tiny minority.

Not really. If you look at how Floyd carried himself and you've also got Broner now.

There's almost this expectation that African American fighters are more bragadocious and cocky and arrogant because of how Mayweather in particular used to be, and it worked for him as well because he had a ridiculous amount of money acting that way.

Sure, Mayweather cashed in on the unpopularity from his bragging, cockiness & arrogance but Floyd definitely did NOT start that trend among black fighters, That was clearly Muhammad Ali, who set the standard for trash-talking, arrogant black fighters!!

Anyone who has listened to Max Kellerman on his local SoCal radio show on ESPN-LA
"Max & Marcellus" (or elsewhere) knows beyond doubt that Max's all-time favorite athlete in ANY sport was Muhammad Ali. Kellerman will be the first to tell you the reason for that was not only Ali's athletic talent but his legendary status as the sports world's first & ultimate "social justice warrior."

Kellerman believes black athletes should follow Ali's lead & be SJWs/agents of political change and I believe his question to Crawford was designed to give TC a platform to come out as a "social justice warrior" which Bud wasnt buying into. Here's funny video of Max back home in NYC, at about 20, before he became a national celeb.

[Luckybattles]

That’s propably true. Wants to stir up politically charged conflict where there is none and use TC as his clown by trying to get TC to make incendiary statements as he sits back and enjoys the show. Sucks, I watch boxing to get away from all that nonsense this idiot wants to make it a part of boxing.

[Best Coast]

That’s propably true. Wants to stir up politically charged conflict where there is none and use TC as his clown by trying to get TC to make incendiary statements as he sits back and enjoys the show. Sucks, I watch boxing to get away from all that nonsense this idiot wants to make it a part of boxing.

Exactly...you nailed it!! If you ever heard Kellerman's local radio show on ESPN-LA he has always tried to outflank co-host Marcellus Wiley by seeing who can inject the racial/political angle on a particular story first, (not that Wiley doesnt do enough of that on his own). It's like a competition between them to see who can put the best racial/political spin on an item. That's a big reason why ESPN has lost a lot of subscriptions/viewers in recent years because most people watch sports programming for the sports, NOT the politics.

That's one more thing that makes his rap video above so funny because on his sports talk shows Max consistently comes across as someone who wishes he was black.

[Luckybattles]

That’s propably true. Wants to stir up politically charged conflict where there is none and use TC as his clown by trying to get TC to make incendiary statements as he sits back and enjoys the show. Sucks, I watch boxing to get away from all that nonsense this idiot wants to make it a part of boxing.

Exactly...you nailed it!! If you ever heard Kellerman's local radio show on ESPN-LA he has always tried to outflank co-host Marcellus Wiley by seeing who can inject the racial/political angle on a particular story first, (not that Wiley doesnt do enough of that on his own). It's like a competition between them to see who can put the best racial/political spin on an item. That's a big reason why ESPN has lost a lot of subscriptions/viewers in recent years because most people watch sports programming for the sports, NOT the politics.

That's one more thing that makes his rap video above so funny because on his sports talk shows Max consistently comes across as someone who wishes he was black.

He is trying to use TC for his own agenda by trying to make TC say, “ The reason I’m not making canelo money is because I’m black and I’m not acting black enough for the white fan base to get me paid.” He is trying to intoject that toxic victim mentality into the sport by brainswashing the P4P. Happy to see some people see through this BS.

Haha. I like his rapping skills. Almost as good as Eminem. The lyrics suck though.

[Enlightened-One]

And that question has never been asked to any whitish boxers that I’d ever heard. So the question is in itself has a hint of racism if you ask me.

And how do you know this? Have you attended every single interview with every single white fighter throughout the course of history?

There’s nothing racist about asking a fighter the reason why they don’t try to sell their fights using a certain amount of showmanship!

Learn to read you child. “That I’ve ever heard”.

You’re even more of a child for not understanding what Max’s question was all about. Instead of cutting and pasting every article, why don’t you just read them and understand what the topic is first. God, you really must not have any friends. I’m sorry dude. It’s not my fault.

I wrote Max’s question down verbatim. If you can’t hear, that’s on you.

You heard race, when the word or topic wasn’t mentioned or implied.

If you think I’m wrong, then quote Max’s words. Seriously, quote them.

I really do look forward to this.

You dishonesty implied that the same question wasn’t asked to white fighters. If you don’t really know if it had been, don’t frame your thoughts in a manner suggesting otherwise.

You’re annoyed because I exposed your dishonesty.

So please show more pain and anguish, as it rewards my efforts greater.

[Luckybattles]

In his next interview with Usyk, max will try and manipulate the champ to say that Putin rigged the election. Straight from the kellerman progressive playbook

[Luckybattles]

That’s propably true. Wants to stir up politically charged conflict where there is none and use TC as his clown by trying to get TC to make incendiary statements as he sits back and enjoys the show. Sucks, I watch boxing to get away from all that nonsense this idiot wants to make it a part of boxing.

Exactly...you nailed it!! If you ever heard Kellerman's local radio show on ESPN-LA he has always tried to outflank co-host Marcellus Wiley by seeing who can inject the racial/political angle on a particular story first, (not that Wiley doesnt do enough of that on his own). It's like a competition between them to see who can put the best racial/political spin on an item. That's a big reason why ESPN has lost a lot of subscriptions/viewers in recent years because most people watch sports programming for the sports, NOT the politics.

That's one more thing that makes his rap video above so funny because on his sports talk shows Max consistently comes across as someone who wishes he was black.

Yeah, he tends to overrate black fighters and underrate all others. Talks like he knows things other don’t because he is a pernelle Whitaker fan boy. Please max, sweet pea was a great defensive fighter but offensively he was below average and many of his fights were unwatchable due to all his running around.

[Enlightened-One]

That’s propably true. Wants to stir up politically charged conflict where there is none and use TC as his clown by trying to get TC to make incendiary statements as he sits back and enjoys the show. Sucks, I watch boxing to get away from all that nonsense this idiot wants to make it a part of boxing.

What a load of fữckḯng bṏllṏcks! Here’s what Max Kellerman actually asked (verbatim) and there isn’t even the remotest hint of any racial stereotypes contained within the general theme of the question he posed Terence Crawford!

“The fact that you were shot in the head and drove yourself to the emergency room and continued your career as a fighter… and all those things,

“But we are in an era where we most recently saw Floyd Mayweather be the big money-maker in the sport. And he did it by having a kind of cocky arrogant persona and talking it up,

“There’s a sense that in boxing, you need to have showmanship outside the ring in order to help your business. You are a much more soft-spoken person.

“Do you have thoughts about that?”

From a commercial standpoint, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the GOAT in terms of being a successful businessman that is able to sell fights to the mainstream masses! The fact that he just so happens to be an African American is utterly irrelevant!

Max Kellerman was simply asking the reason why Terence Crawford doesn’t really attempt to sell his fights outside the ring, due to a perceived lack of showmanship!

Max Kellerman did not fữckḯng suggest that Crawford should behave like a derogatory racial stereotype when trying “to have showmanship outside the ring!” This is not even open for debate, unless you claim to be a mind reader! FFS!

Apart from being occasionally a tad overly-sensitive, to the point he possibly perceives himself as some sort of persecuted snowflake victim, Terence Crawford’s media persona is actually quite bland!

[caldo2025]

And how do you know this? Have you attended every single interview with every single white fighter throughout the course of history?

There’s nothing racist about asking a fighter the reason why they don’t try to sell their fights using a certain amount of showmanship!

Learn to read you child. “That I’ve ever heard”.

You’re even more of a child for not understanding what Max’s question was all about. Instead of cutting and pasting every article, why don’t you just read them and understand what the topic is first. God, you really must not have any friends. I’m sorry dude. It’s not my fault.

I wrote Max’s question down verbatim. If you can’t hear, that’s on you.

You heard race, when the word or topic wasn’t mentioned or implied.

If you think I’m wrong, then quote Max’s words. Seriously, quote them.

I really do look forward to this.

You dishonesty implied that the same question wasn’t asked to white fighters. If you don’t really know if it had been, don’t frame your thoughts in a manner suggesting otherwise.

You’re annoyed because I exposed your dishonesty.

So please show more pain and anguish, as it rewards my efforts greater.

Dude, everyone here knows that you’re racist as well as misogynist. The funny thing is, I don’t even think that you’re even done with collecting these labels. You must have more negativity than that in your angry little virgin body. You probably hate old people, little people, overweight people, garden nomes? Come on let’s hear some more hate buddy! There must be something else you guys talked about at your Hitler Youth rally last night?

There’s one idiot that continually speaks out against black people and women on this site and it’s you. It’s not the place for it. We all want to talk Boxing, not your hate menu and agenda.

[Enlightened-One]

Dude, everyone here knows that you’re racist as well as misogynist. The funny thing is, I don’t even think that you’re even done with collecting these labels. You must have more negativity than that in your angry little virgin body. You probably hate old people, little people, overweight people, garden nomes? Come on let’s hear some more hate buddy! There must be something else you guys talked about at your Hitler Youth rally last night?

There’s one idiot that continually speaks out against black people and women on this site and it’s you. It’s not the place for it. We all want to talk Boxing, not your hate menu and agenda.

What you've just said has never happened in any version of reality! You must have dreamt it up, because you cannot possibly cite any proof of me being a bigoted or prejudiced in any shape or form!

Your slanderous words actually made me laugh, because this is what you’ve resorted to, simply because you’re frustrated about me making a complete mockery of your allegations against Max Kellerman.

So instead of attacking the argument, you attack the arguer, but you can’t even get that right, can you? You keep lying! I honestly don't know why you keep punishing yourself!

[jamamb]

lol at these clowns acting like kellerman asked some racist question, ffs did u even bother to listen to what he asked

you seriously cant do anything these days without snowflakes accusing you of racism