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apollo creed wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 08:49

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 08:46 Styles make fights, Tyson's speed would have been a nightmare for Wlad, he would have gotten under Wlad's stiff jab early and smashed him up. Wlad was tailor made for Tyson.

Like Wlad did not have speed. Haye couldn't do nothing to him and that guys had top notch speed and explosion.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 09:03 Tyson early or Wladimir late. The fight won’t go the distance. I slightly favour the Ukraine though, as he always employed the same strategy Lennox Lewis successfully adopted when he fought Tyson.

Vitali beats a prime version of Mike Tyson every day of the week and twice on Sunday’s, via mid-rounds to late stoppage.

Dr. Ironfist would be too big, too tough, too unorthodox, too hungry and too powerful.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 09:58 Tyson by early ko. Mid round ko if wlad is on top of his hugging and leaning game.

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 10:01 "2011 Wladimir Klitschko" Oh how we all fondly remember that.

Tysons wins by clean KO in 1 or 2.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 09:03 Tyson early or Wladimir late. The fight won’t go the distance. I slightly favour the Ukraine though, as he always employed the same strategy Lennox Lewis successfully adopted when he fought Tyson.

Vitali beats a prime version of Mike Tyson every day of the week and twice on Sunday’s, via mid-rounds to late stoppage.

Dr. Ironfist would be too big, too tough, too unorthodox, too hungry and too powerful.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:40 Tyson KO 1 Wladimir
Tyson KO 2 Vitali

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:13

Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:40 Tyson KO 1 Wladimir
Tyson KO 2 Vitali

Fool. Prime Tyson went 12 rounds with Tony Tucker whose no wear near the Klitschkos ability.

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:13

Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:40 Tyson KO 1 Wladimir
Tyson KO 2 Vitali

Fool. Prime Tyson went 12 rounds with Tony Tucker whose no wear near the Klitschkos ability.

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:28

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:13

Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 12:40 Tyson KO 1 Wladimir
Tyson KO 2 Vitali

Fool. Prime Tyson went 12 rounds with Tony Tucker whose no wear near the Klitschkos ability.

Nope.

Tony Tucker was a much more natural, skilful boxer than stiff robotic Vitali K. His win over Buster Douglas is better than literally any win on Vitali's record.

An old Tony Tucker went 12 with a young Lennox Lewis. A young Vitali Klitschko was exhausted with his face falling off after 6 rounds with an old Lennox Lewis.

There are levels in boxing, and Tucker at his best is levels about Vitali. Apparently, even past his best he was a cut above Vit.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:39

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:28

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:13

Fool. Prime Tyson went 12 rounds with Tony Tucker whose no wear near the Klitschkos ability.

Nope.

Tony Tucker was a much more natural, skilful boxer than stiff robotic Vitali K. His win over Buster Douglas is better than literally any win on Vitali's record.

An old Tony Tucker went 12 with a young Lennox Lewis. A young Vitali Klitschko was exhausted with his face falling off after 6 rounds with an old Lennox Lewis.

There are levels in boxing, and Tucker at his best is levels about Vitali. Apparently, even past his best he was a cut above Vit.

Good points.

Tucker even appeared to have Lewis out on his feet at one point, albeit briefly.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:04 Tucker would be a massive step up from any victory on vitalis putrid record. Amazing how people hand him wins. He'd bash Tyson around. Lol

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:02

Syntax Error wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:39

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:28

Nope.

Tony Tucker was a much more natural, skilful boxer than stiff robotic Vitali K. His win over Buster Douglas is better than literally any win on Vitali's record.

An old Tony Tucker went 12 with a young Lennox Lewis. A young Vitali Klitschko was exhausted with his face falling off after 6 rounds with an old Lennox Lewis.

There are levels in boxing, and Tucker at his best is levels about Vitali. Apparently, even past his best he was a cut above Vit.

Good points.

Tucker even appeared to have Lewis out on his feet at one point, albeit briefly.

Err, no. If you think Tucker was in the same league as the Klitschkos, you’re dreaming. Lewis fought Tucker to win his first title in 1993, he was nowhere near his prime. Buster Douglas - Vitali’s performance against Lewis and his wins (at the time) against Corrie Sanders, Sam Peter (when he was considered viable) and his dominant reign put him leagues above Tucker. Not that you should judge record by record but look at what they’ve both achieved or not in Tuckers view.

Tucker also had awful performances v Orlin Norris x 2, Aktiwande, Hide and McCall. You just can’t say that about Vitali.

Vitali KO 9 or a dominant point win.

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:19

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:02

Syntax Error wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 13:39

Good points.

Tucker even appeared to have Lewis out on his feet at one point, albeit briefly.

Err, no. If you think Tucker was in the same league as the Klitschkos, you’re dreaming. Lewis fought Tucker to win his first title in 1993, he was nowhere near his prime. Buster Douglas - Vitali’s performance against Lewis and his wins (at the time) against Corrie Sanders, Sam Peter (when he was considered viable) and his dominant reign put him leagues above Tucker. Not that you should judge record by record but look at what they’ve both achieved or not in Tuckers view.

Tucker also had awful performances v Orlin Norris x 2, Aktiwande, Hide and McCall. You just can’t say that about Vitali.

Vitali KO 9 or a dominant point win.

Tucker has real world performances versus Douglas and Tyson. Bringing up his form as a fat old drug addict shows the weakness of your argument.

Vitali couldn't so much as score a single KD versus the likes of Obed Sullivan, Chris Byrd, Corrie Sanders, Sam Peter, Shannon Briggs, Derek Chisora, but you have him knocking out Mike Tyson? To call it absurd is an understatement.

The Vitali you describe didn't exist in the real world. He couldn't knockout old fat guys with bad chins. He's not knocking out a young evasive guy with an iron chin.

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:05

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:04 Tucker would be a massive step up from any victory on vitalis putrid record. Amazing how people hand him wins. He'd bash Tyson around. Lol

Tucker was a damn good fighter.

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:30

oogiebe wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:05

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:04 Tucker would be a massive step up from any victory on vitalis putrid record. Amazing how people hand him wins. He'd bash Tyson around. Lol

Tucker was a damn good fighter.

Yes, but not in the Klitschkos league in my opinion.

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:28

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:19

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:02

Err, no. If you think Tucker was in the same league as the Klitschkos, you’re dreaming. Lewis fought Tucker to win his first title in 1993, he was nowhere near his prime. Buster Douglas - Vitali’s performance against Lewis and his wins (at the time) against Corrie Sanders, Sam Peter (when he was considered viable) and his dominant reign put him leagues above Tucker. Not that you should judge record by record but look at what they’ve both achieved or not in Tuckers view.

Tucker also had awful performances v Orlin Norris x 2, Aktiwande, Hide and McCall. You just can’t say that about Vitali.

Vitali KO 9 or a dominant point win.

Tucker has real world performances versus Douglas and Tyson. Bringing up his form as a fat old drug addict shows the weakness of your argument.

Vitali couldn't so much as score a single KD versus the likes of Obed Sullivan, Chris Byrd, Corrie Sanders, Sam Peter, Shannon Briggs, Derek Chisora, but you have him knocking out Mike Tyson? To call it absurd is an understatement.

The Vitali you describe didn't exist in the real world. He couldn't knockout old fat guys with bad chins. He's not knocking out a young evasive guy with an iron chin.

Just compare legacy’s. Tucker v either Klitschko. I think you’re getting off the point, I rate Tyson until he went to prison but the fact remains his record, in terms of wins, is pretty thin.

I know this, Vitali’s beard was a lot better than Tyson’s and Tuckers.

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:39

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:28

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:19

Tucker has real world performances versus Douglas and Tyson. Bringing up his form as a fat old drug addict shows the weakness of your argument.

Vitali couldn't so much as score a single KD versus the likes of Obed Sullivan, Chris Byrd, Corrie Sanders, Sam Peter, Shannon Briggs, Derek Chisora, but you have him knocking out Mike Tyson? To call it absurd is an understatement.

The Vitali you describe didn't exist in the real world. He couldn't knockout old fat guys with bad chins. He's not knocking out a young evasive guy with an iron chin.

Just compare legacy’s. Tucker v either Klitschko. I think you’re getting off the point, I rate Tyson until he went to prison but the fact remains his record, in terms of wins, is pretty thin.

I know this, Vitali’s beard was a lot better than Tyson’s and Tuckers.

Legacies? Vitali lost to the only two A class fighters he fought. His best win is over a 39 year old (!) Corrie Sanders, a man who had a bad chin and poor fitness even in his prime. Vitali could have 50 WBC title wins over Sam Peter and Shannon Briggs type opponents and it wouldn't alter the fact he lost to Lewis and Byrd.

Tucker with one hand went 12 fast rounds with one of the greatest, most dangerous heavyweights ever. Even washed up he went 12 with a young Lewis, while a young Vitali was gassed after 6 with an old fat Lewis.

Legacies! Vitali's whole 'legacy' depends on how highly you regard X number of alphabet title defences over tomato cans.

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 16:05

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:39

Loki wrote: ↑27 Jan 2019, 14:28

Just compare legacy’s. Tucker v either Klitschko. I think you’re getting off the point, I rate Tyson until he went to prison but the fact remains his record, in terms of wins, is pretty thin.

I know this, Vitali’s beard was a lot better than Tyson’s and Tuckers.

Legacies? Vitali lost to the only two A class fighters he fought. His best win is over a 39 year old (!) Corrie Sanders, a man who had a bad chin and poor fitness even in his prime. Vitali could have 50 WBC title wins over Sam Peter and Shannon Briggs type opponents and it wouldn't alter the fact he lost to Lewis and Byrd.

Tucker with one hand went 12 fast rounds with one of the greatest, most dangerous heavyweights ever. Even washed up he went 12 with a young Lewis, while a young Vitali was gassed after 6 with an old fat Lewis.

Legacies! Vitali's whole 'legacy' depends on how highly you regard X number of alphabet title defences over tomato cans.

If you think Tyson is one the greatest HWs ever, you need to look at his record. He lost every time he fought a world class opponent. Who is Tyson’s best win? Spinks? An inactive old Holmes? Ruddock?

I agree, Tyson was a force of nature in the late 80s but he’s far too small to compete with the current crop of HWs. He’s even stated that himself.

Back to the point; Tuckers only good win was against Douglas, who was utter sh1t and is only remembered for beating a messed up Tyson. He was annihilated against Holyfield as was Tyson.

Let’s be practical, Tucker loses 99 times out of 100 against either Klitschko.

You also have to take into consideration who was available for VK to fight. He retired Lewis who wanted nothing to do with the rematch, dominated every opponent thereafter and took a four years break in his prime. He was never dropped and was never behind on any card even when he lost. A difficult fight for any HW throughout history and a lot better than his brother IMO.