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KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:41

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:28

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:26 Miller asked for 50/50?

Lol

Hearn needs to get tough on these clowns and just stop negotiating at some point. He looks like a pushover upping the price for whyte every time. Folks are going to play him for a fool.

IDK if the 50/50 ask is true or not. I haven't seen that in print. Hearn should just introduce a new name to the mix and Whyte and/or Miller will snap to attention.

But Oggie, there isn't a new name to add to the mix
One of them Chinese blokes?
No money or entertainment there.
Kownacki?
Meh, not known well enough.
I've run out of ideas already.
He has cleaned out the division except for Wilder Fury and neither want it yet.

You're not completely wrong, but there is Pulev; Lure Ortiz from his scheduled bout(?); I don't know, but it appears no one is driving the train and yet everyone is claiming the driver's seat.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:00 Ortiz would probably accept a minimum offer, but he for some reason is never in the discussion.

Guess why?

..I'd rather be a tight-fisted cùnt than a coward..this Whyte dude (pun not intended) has no belt, lost hopelessly in the first encounter, gets this opportunity to fight and beat the champ and is still...looking for a pretext not to fight him. Seems like he has zero confidence in himself...the other one is no better, can't find anyone in his own country..50/50 if true is a joke..

tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 13:30 Whyte says he deserves what Parker hot because he is a proven ppv attraction.
Parker received 13 million

He got less than 10m

what % do we think WHYTE would fight AJ for ?

AJ is big business, how can there not be enough money to go round.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 13:30 Whyte says he deserves what Parker hot because he is a proven ppv attraction.
Parker received 13 million

He got less than 10m

what % do u think PARKER got ?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 13:30 Whyte says he deserves what Parker hot because he is a proven ppv attraction.
Parker received 13 million

He got less than 10m

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/combat-spor ... y-promoter

dickbelden wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 15:47 what % do we think WHYTE would fight AJ for ?

I think the 33% Parker got would be a good number for Whyte

Whyte is in a good bargaining position. Just over 2 months to the Wembley date and he's the best ticket seller available.

He's talking to other promoters too. He could sign with Haymon and be guaranteed a fight with Wilder if he beats Fury. Or sign with Warren and be guaranteed a fight with Fury if he beats Wilder.

If they don't give him the money he wants then he's got other options.

It's not all about taking the crumbs off Joshua's table. Fury coming back and fighting Wilder has changed the landscape. If Hearn wants the big fights he has to offer decent percentages now, they no longer have everything their own way.

ewenhay wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 17:51 Whyte is in a good bargaining position. Just over 2 months to the Wembley date and he's the best ticket seller available.

He's talking to other promoters too. He could sign with Haymon and be guaranteed a fight with Wilder if he beats Fury. Or sign with Warren and be guaranteed a fight with Fury if he beats Wilder.

If they don't give him the money he wants then he's got other options.

It's not all about taking the crumbs off Joshua's table. Fury coming back and fighting Wilder has changed the landscape. If Hearn wants the big fights he has to offer decent percentages now, they no longer have everything their own way.

Exactly!

It irks me a little when fighters reject title offers. The title is the ultimate bargaining chip in many cases.

Win the fight and then you get to dictate the terms. Of course in this case both opponents know where they stand in their heart of hearts which is why they are trying to posture for higher paydays. There is nothing wrong with trying to maximize your profit, but sometimes that includes actually bettering yourself (ie winning a title, earning an education, building your resume, etc). The big picture isn't important to these guys though because they know that the big picture includes them sliding down the rankings and eventually becoming gate keepers.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:11 It irks me a little when fighters reject title offers. The title is the ultimate bargaining chip in many cases.

Win the fight and then you get to dictate the terms. Of course in this case both opponents know where they stand in their heart of hearts which is why they are trying to posture for higher paydays. There is nothing wrong with trying to maximize your profit, but sometimes that includes actually bettering yourself (ie winning a title, earning an education, building your resume, etc). The big picture isn't important to these guys though because they know that the big picture includes them sliding down the rankings and eventually becoming gate keepers.

Most of these guys are keeping the seat warm for the prospects coming up. They have maybe a year to get a big payday.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:11 It irks me a little when fighters reject title offers. The title is the ultimate bargaining chip in many cases.

Win the fight and then you get to dictate the terms. Of course in this case both opponents know where they stand in their heart of hearts which is why they are trying to posture for higher paydays. There is nothing wrong with trying to maximize your profit, but sometimes that includes actually bettering yourself (ie winning a title, earning an education, building your resume, etc). The big picture isn't important to these guys though because they know that the big picture includes them sliding down the rankings and eventually becoming gate keepers.

Yeah I agree but the other side are playing exactly the same game. And remember, they bought the belt from Martin in the first place.

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:13

punchoutsb wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:11 It irks me a little when fighters reject title offers. The title is the ultimate bargaining chip in many cases.

Win the fight and then you get to dictate the terms. Of course in this case both opponents know where they stand in their heart of hearts which is why they are trying to posture for higher paydays. There is nothing wrong with trying to maximize your profit, but sometimes that includes actually bettering yourself (ie winning a title, earning an education, building your resume, etc). The big picture isn't important to these guys though because they know that the big picture includes them sliding down the rankings and eventually becoming gate keepers.

Most of these guys are keeping the seat warm for the prospects coming up. They have maybe a year to get a big payday.

That's what irks me; turning down a title fight is basically admitting you consider yourself a seatwarmer...and if you are then why on earth are you worth 50/50 splits or outrageously high paydays? If you consider yourself the best, then win the title and then the chips are yours.

ewenhay wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:14

punchoutsb wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:11 It irks me a little when fighters reject title offers. The title is the ultimate bargaining chip in many cases.

Win the fight and then you get to dictate the terms. Of course in this case both opponents know where they stand in their heart of hearts which is why they are trying to posture for higher paydays. There is nothing wrong with trying to maximize your profit, but sometimes that includes actually bettering yourself (ie winning a title, earning an education, building your resume, etc). The big picture isn't important to these guys though because they know that the big picture includes them sliding down the rankings and eventually becoming gate keepers.

Yeah I agree but the other side are playing exactly the same game. And remember, they bought the belt from Martin in the first place.

They are, but they are in a position to actually get away with it. These outrageous splits and purse demands are almost as funny as the equal pay movement in sports. Money comes from views. AJ can get them without Whyte or Miller. If they win they get to absorb a lot of that unless they have the personality of a dead fish.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:19

ewenhay wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:14

punchoutsb wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:11 It irks me a little when fighters reject title offers. The title is the ultimate bargaining chip in many cases.

Win the fight and then you get to dictate the terms. Of course in this case both opponents know where they stand in their heart of hearts which is why they are trying to posture for higher paydays. There is nothing wrong with trying to maximize your profit, but sometimes that includes actually bettering yourself (ie winning a title, earning an education, building your resume, etc). The big picture isn't important to these guys though because they know that the big picture includes them sliding down the rankings and eventually becoming gate keepers.

Yeah I agree but the other side are playing exactly the same game. And remember, they bought the belt from Martin in the first place.

They are, but they are in a position to actually get away with it. These outrageous splits and purse demands are almost as funny as the equal pay movement in sports. Money comes from views. AJ can get them without Whyte or Miller. If they win they get to absorb a lot of that unless they have the personality of a dead fish.

Yeah but I think the Joshua selling out against anyone gravy train is starting to dry up. Otherwise they would have just announced another Takam like opponent for Wembley.

Fury coming back and fighting Wilder has changed the landscape.

ewenhay wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:22

punchoutsb wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:19

ewenhay wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 18:14


Yeah I agree but the other side are playing exactly the same game. And remember, they bought the belt from Martin in the first place.

They are, but they are in a position to actually get away with it. These outrageous splits and purse demands are almost as funny as the equal pay movement in sports. Money comes from views. AJ can get them without Whyte or Miller. If they win they get to absorb a lot of that unless they have the personality of a dead fish.

Yeah but I think the Joshua selling out against anyone gravy train is starting to dry up. Otherwise they would have just announced another Takam like opponent for Wembley.

Fury coming back and fighting Wilder has changed the landscape.

It may be, so this is the perfect time to try and take over that gravy train if you're a capable challenger. Despite being more accomplished and a bigger draw, Fury accepted the short money against Wilder in order to make the fight happen. He'll make more in the rematch. That's good business and good boxing.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:26 Miller asked for 50/50?

Lol

Hearn needs to get tough on these clowns and just stop negotiating at some point. He looks like a pushover upping the price for whyte every time. Folks are going to play him for a fool.

No Miller said they were getting close on the money so the fight was 50-50...

littlepug wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:41 If this is true then I couldn’t care less if Whyte gets a shot or not now, he’s a contender that’s been offered a shot a the title for millions but it’s less than he wants, jeez man, take the damn shot, bank the money and if you win it’s happy days, it’s pathetic, the champ calls the shots so just deal with it if you really think you can win.

I have to say, even though AJ's star isn't shining so brightly since Fury-Wilder, I can't help but agree with you that Dillian's ego has got the better of him here. Here's the biggest name in the division, the general consensus no.1, offering you a shot at 3 belts and millions of pounds. Whyte's done well for himself but still got absolutely hammered and KTFO in the first fight. So he just got a career high payday for Chisora in a fun fight? Maybe he won't ever get a better one. I honestly couldn't care less. I'm not arsed about the fight and I'm even less interested in what he gets paid. Go make Chisora 3. Nobody REALLY cares about Whyte-Joshua 2. It's always been a cynical cash grab for all involved. Like other people have said, if Dillian really backed himself he'd take it. He's rich already, isn't he?

Ortiz and Pulev are far more significant fights and respectable opponents I think.

It'll still be Whyte anyway. It all has the air of a pantomime about it.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:00 Ortiz would probably accept a minimum offer, but he for some reason is never in the discussion.

Ortiz was on the books at Matchroom with a 3 fight deal, the 3rd was to face AJ. He performed so badly in his first two fights, he was dropped with the thinking he would put on a poor showing against Joshua. He then went on to face Wilder in a life and death fight

KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 19:40

marvelous marv wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:00 Ortiz would probably accept a minimum offer, but he for some reason is never in the discussion.

Ortiz was on the books at Matchroom with a 3 fight deal, the 3rd was to face AJ. He performed so badly in his first two fights, he was dropped with the thinking he would put on a poor showing against Joshua. He then went on to face Wilder in a life and death fight

I never knew that. I assume based on the reference to poor performance that one of those fights was vs Malik Scott, yes?

Speaking Scott, he's making a comeback of sorts, scheduled to fight on a night of HW's in Boston on the 10th of March.

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 19:43

KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 19:40

marvelous marv wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:00 Ortiz would probably accept a minimum offer, but he for some reason is never in the discussion.

Ortiz was on the books at Matchroom with a 3 fight deal, the 3rd was to face AJ. He performed so badly in his first two fights, he was dropped with the thinking he would put on a poor showing against Joshua. He then went on to face Wilder in a life and death fight

I never knew that. I assume based on the reference to poor performance that one of those fights was vs Malik Scott, yes?

Yeah. Before that, there was a lot of buzz around Ortiz. You know, Mr Boogieman. So Eddie signed him up and he looked like crap in those teo fights. Then they cut him loose.
And people give credit to Wilder for barely beating his old arse

KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 19:48

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 19:43

KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 19:40

Ortiz was on the books at Matchroom with a 3 fight deal, the 3rd was to face AJ. He performed so badly in his first two fights, he was dropped with the thinking he would put on a poor showing against Joshua. He then went on to face Wilder in a life and death fight

I never knew that. I assume based on the reference to poor performance that one of those fights was vs Malik Scott, yes?

Yeah. Before that, there was a lot of buzz around Ortiz. You know, Mr Boogieman. So Eddie signed him up and he looked like crap in those teo fights. Then they cut him loose.
And people give credit to Wilder for barely beating his old arse

The Scott fight was surrounded by several decent performances, so I don't think that I'm completely buying in.

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:28

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑30 Jan 2019, 14:26 Miller asked for 50/50?

Lol

Hearn needs to get tough on these clowns and just stop negotiating at some point. He looks like a pushover upping the price for whyte every time. Folks are going to play him for a fool.

IDK if the 50/50 ask is true or not. I haven't seen that in print. Hearn should just introduce a new name to the mix and Whyte and/or Miller will snap to attention.

I fucked up on that lol. He was saying it was 50/50 they fight, not that they wanted a 50/50 split. I misread the title. My bad ha.