verlichte wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:03
I guess what really matters is Efe Ajagba’s ability to compete as a heavyweight. And to be honest, I haven’t been particularly impressed by his performances in any of his fights I’ve seen so far.
He’s kind of upright and stiff to me – almost Frank Bruno-esque. He has a leaky defence. Most of his opponents should be considered as being undersized heavyweights.
I appreciate he’s young and is still learning his trade in the pro ranks, so he is likely to improve, which means it's too early to form an opinion yet.
Either way, Efe Ajagba isn’t a particularly “big” heavyweight, either in terms of height or weight, since an average top-ten ranked heavyweight currently stands at 6’5” 250lbs.
He's 24 and developing quite well. He is far from "stiff" as you say, and actually moves quite smoothly. He will fill out to around 240-250 over time. How you can say he has a leaky defense is remarkable, as he hasn't had the chance to show what, if any defensive issues he may have. Perhaps you should actually watch his fights and see for yourself. Oh, and his freakish 88" reach with the power he possesses is already making him formidable. I consider him the number one HW prospect.
I watched his out against Nick Jones and noticed that when the under-sized journeyman was being brave, he landed almost at will, but quickly became reluctant to stand within punching range when Ajagba's straight right hands started connecting.
Efe Ajagba does seem stiff and upright to me. There isn't a lot of upper body or head movement. This may change over time, but I can only judge him on what I see at the moment.
In terms of Efe Ajagba's power, he needs to start demonstrating it against legitimate ambitious world-rated 6’5” 250lbs heavyweights rather than undersized journeyman, before I can give him credit for it.
I'm not saying you're wrong by the way, but I do feel the Nigerian has flaws and it's too early to determine his taent and potential, based on the type of opponents he's been mixing with so far.
You make obvious points for a typical 24 year old fighter with 8 fights (7 if you preclude the DQ). the problem is that they don't apply to Efe. He moves rather smoothly for a big HW, probably due to his football days. He has bounce in his step and shows good footwork for a 8 fight pro with limited amateur experience. His hand speed isn't an area I would be impressed with but he sets his shots and throws combination well. You saw all that (in your post) from a 1 round KO?
I saw several Ajagba bouts, but I listed the one that illustrated my point clearly. He is upright and he doesn't move his head. You can't say otherwise - no one can. It's simply the way that he fights. Who knows, it might even be an effective style against bigger names?
His defence is porous, but maybe because he keeps getting matched against smaller men who can’t hurt him, since he seems willing to take a shot in order to land his own. We witnessed Ajagba's lack of defence in his amateur days against the much bigger Ivan Dychko, since the 6'9" Kazakhstani dwarfed the Nigerian and couldn't fail to land his own shots. Ajagba isn't elusive.
You need to read my previous comments in this thread before asking questions that don't relate to my post.
You claimed that I only ever watched one round of Ajagba in action, but my previous posts in this thread clearly proved otherwise, since I had also commented on his fights against other men! That’s a pretty moronic thing for you to do, don’t you agree?
Isn’t it interesting how I defended my thoughts by providing examples and instead of challenging my words or apologising for your sarcasm/criticism, you remain silent and deliver a juvenile smilie?
You claimed that I only ever watched one round of Ajagba in action, but my previous posts in this thread clearly proved otherwise, since I had also commented on his fights against other men! That’s a pretty moronic thing for you to do, don’t you agree?
Isn’t it interesting how I defended my thoughts by providing examples and instead of challenging my words or apologising for your sarcasm or criticism, you remain silent and deliver a juvenile smilie?
verlichte wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:03
I guess what really matters is Efe Ajagba’s ability to compete as a heavyweight. And to be honest, I haven’t been particularly impressed by his performances in any of his fights I’ve seen so far.
He’s kind of upright and stiff to me – almost Frank Bruno-esque. He has a leaky defence. Most of his opponents should be considered as being undersized heavyweights.
I appreciate he’s young and is still learning his trade in the pro ranks, so he is likely to improve, which means it's too early to form an opinion yet.
Either way, Efe Ajagba isn’t a particularly “big” heavyweight, either in terms of height or weight, since an average top-ten ranked heavyweight currently stands at 6’5” 250lbs.
He's 24 and developing quite well. He is far from "stiff" as you say, and actually moves quite smoothly. He will fill out to around 240-250 over time. How you can say he has a leaky defense is remarkable, as he hasn't had the chance to show what, if any defensive issues he may have. Perhaps you should actually watch his fights and see for yourself. Oh, and his freakish 88" reach with the power he possesses is already making him formidable. I consider him the number one HW prospect.
I watched his bout against the hydrated cruiserweight Nick Jones and noticed that when the under-sized journeyman was being brave, he landed almost at will, but quickly became reluctant to stand within punching range when Ajagba's straight right hands started connecting.
Efe Ajagba does seem stiff and upright to me. There isn't a lot of upper body or head movement. This may change over time, but I can only judge him on what I see at the moment.
In terms of Efe Ajagba's power, he needs to start demonstrating it against legitimate ambitious world-rated 6’5” 250lbs heavyweights rather than undersized journeyman, before I can give him credit for it. It's far too early to say he's "formidable".
I'm not saying you're wrong by the way, but I do feel the Nigerian has flaws and it's too early to determine his talent and potential, based on the type of opponents he's been mixing with so far.
Where is Jones almost landing at will? Where is the "leaky defense." Some decent jabs landed (two or three?)..but it's all Efe. He is upright, but that may be the style he'll use moving forward given his height and reach. I don't see him stiff, like a Joyce looks. More like a very young Lewis. Efe's come a long way from his amateur days and will continue to improve each fight.
verlichte wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:03
I guess what really matters is Efe Ajagba’s ability to compete as a heavyweight. And to be honest, I haven’t been particularly impressed by his performances in any of his fights I’ve seen so far.
He’s kind of upright and stiff to me – almost Frank Bruno-esque. He has a leaky defence. Most of his opponents should be considered as being undersized heavyweights.
I appreciate he’s young and is still learning his trade in the pro ranks, so he is likely to improve, which means it's too early to form an opinion yet.
Either way, Efe Ajagba isn’t a particularly “big” heavyweight, either in terms of height or weight, since an average top-ten ranked heavyweight currently stands at 6’5” 250lbs.
He's 24 and developing quite well. He is far from "stiff" as you say, and actually moves quite smoothly. He will fill out to around 240-250 over time. How you can say he has a leaky defense is remarkable, as he hasn't had the chance to show what, if any defensive issues he may have. Perhaps you should actually watch his fights and see for yourself. Oh, and his freakish 88" reach with the power he possesses is already making him formidable. I consider him the number one HW prospect.
I watched his bout against the hydrated cruiserweight Nick Jones and noticed that when the under-sized journeyman was being brave, he landed almost at will, but quickly became reluctant to stand within punching range when Ajagba's straight right hands started connecting.
Efe Ajagba does seem stiff and upright to me. There isn't a lot of upper body or head movement. This may change over time, but I can only judge him on what I see at the moment.
In terms of Efe Ajagba's power, he needs to start demonstrating it against legitimate ambitious world-rated 6’5” 250lbs heavyweights rather than undersized journeyman, before I can give him credit for it. It's far too early to say he's "formidable".
I'm not saying you're wrong by the way, but I do feel the Nigerian has flaws and it's too early to determine his talent and potential, based on the type of opponents he's been mixing with so far.
Where is Jones almost landing at will? Where is the "leaky defense." Some decent jabs landed (two or three?)..but it's all Efe. He is upright, but that may be the style he'll use moving forward given his height and reach. I don't see him stiff, like a Joyce looks. More like a very young Lewis. Efe's come a long way from his amateur days and will continue to improve each fight.
Did he even land cleanly on Efe? All I saw was hitting the gloves and arms.
verlichte wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:03
I guess what really matters is Efe Ajagba’s ability to compete as a heavyweight. And to be honest, I haven’t been particularly impressed by his performances in any of his fights I’ve seen so far.
He’s kind of upright and stiff to me – almost Frank Bruno-esque. He has a leaky defence. Most of his opponents should be considered as being undersized heavyweights.
I appreciate he’s young and is still learning his trade in the pro ranks, so he is likely to improve, which means it's too early to form an opinion yet.
Either way, Efe Ajagba isn’t a particularly “big” heavyweight, either in terms of height or weight, since an average top-ten ranked heavyweight currently stands at 6’5” 250lbs.
He's 24 and developing quite well. He is far from "stiff" as you say, and actually moves quite smoothly. He will fill out to around 240-250 over time. How you can say he has a leaky defense is remarkable, as he hasn't had the chance to show what, if any defensive issues he may have. Perhaps you should actually watch his fights and see for yourself. Oh, and his freakish 88" reach with the power he possesses is already making him formidable. I consider him the number one HW prospect.
I watched his bout against the hydrated cruiserweight Nick Jones and noticed that when the under-sized journeyman was being brave, he landed almost at will, but quickly became reluctant to stand within punching range when Ajagba's straight right hands started connecting.
Efe Ajagba does seem stiff and upright to me. There isn't a lot of upper body or head movement. This may change over time, but I can only judge him on what I see at the moment.
In terms of Efe Ajagba's power, he needs to start demonstrating it against legitimate ambitious world-rated 6’5” 250lbs heavyweights rather than undersized journeyman, before I can give him credit for it. It's far too early to say he's "formidable".
I'm not saying you're wrong by the way, but I do feel the Nigerian has flaws and it's too early to determine his talent and potential, based on the type of opponents he's been mixing with so far.
Where is Jones almost landing at will? Where is the "leaky defense." Some decent jabs landed (two or three?)..but it's all Efe. He is upright, but that may be the style he'll use moving forward given his height and reach. I don't see him stiff, like a Joyce looks. More like a very young Lewis. Efe's come a long way from his amateur days and will continue to improve each fight.
Did he even land cleanly on Efe? All I saw was hitting the gloves and arms.
what can I tell you. People see things..."differently." I saw what you saw. Watch any of his fights, it's all the same. Kid hasn't been tested yet, except a bit by Hernandez's reputation of being a tough out.
Re: Efe Ajagba real height
Posted: 13 Feb 2019, 06:22
by verlichte
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 13:28Where is Jones almost landing at will? Where is the "leaky defense." Some decent jabs landed (two or three?)..but it's all Efe. He is upright, but that may be the style he'll use moving forward given his height and reach. I don't see him stiff, like a Joyce looks. More like a very young Lewis. Efe's come a long way from his amateur days and will continue to improve each fight.
OK, so it seems we agree to disagree.
You claimed the following about Efe Ajagba:
• He has pretty solid skills for a 24 y/o
• He's not wild; sets his punches well; is very athletic; and can obviously hit
• He is far from "stiff"
• His defense is remarkable
• Moves rather smoothly; not stiff
• He throws combinations
• He shows quickness at times (his feet and head)
• He has bounce in his step and shows good footwork
• His freakish 88" reach with the power he possesses is already making him formidable
• Predict him to be 6'7
• He looks great
• The best prospect in the division
These are your actual words that I've quoted verbatim.
I struggle to agree with most of these above points you’ve raised, considering he’s mainly engaged in one round mismatches against undersized punch-bag journeymen. He hasn’t fought anyone of any note.
The Nigerian hasn’t accomplished anything in the unpaid ranks either. In fact, he looked absolutely terrible when he faced Ivan Dychko.
That being said, here are some of the claims I previously articulated about Efe Ajagba’s bout illustrated in the video you’ve provided:
• “I watched his bout against the hydrated cruiserweight Nick Jones and noticed that when the under-sized journeyman was being brave, he landed almost at will, but quickly became reluctant to stand within punching range when Ajagba's straight right hands started connecting.”
This was true right up until the 2m 28s mark of the video, which was when Ajagba connected with one of his big right hands.
It’s important to remember that I didn’t say Nick Jones landed any decent punches, but I did claim that nearly everything he threw landed.
Anyway, the cruiserweight journeyman quickly became deterred, became negative and employed lateral movement to constantly circle the ring with his back against the ropes from that point onwards. Whenever the American threw shots from this stage of the fight, he was usually moving backwards (on the back foot), which significantly affected his punch accuracy/power.
This is consistent with one of my other previous remarks:
• The journeyman “quickly became reluctant to stand within punching range when Ajagba's straight right hands started connecting.”
I also previously made the following claims:
• Efe Ajagba seemed “stiff and upright”, lacking “upper body or head movement”.
• The Nigerian’s defence is “porous”, “because he keeps getting matched against smaller men who can’t hurt him, since he seems willing to take a shot in order to land his own.”
• “We witnessed Ajagba's lack of defence in his amateur days against the much bigger Ivan Dychko, since the 6'9" Kazakhstani dwarfed the Nigerian and couldn't fail to land his own shots. Ajagba isn't elusive.”
• Most of his opponents should be considered as being undersized heavyweights.
• In terms of Efe Ajagba's power, he needs to start demonstrating it against legitimate ambitious world-rated 6’5” 250lbs heavyweights rather than undersized journeyman, before I can give him credit for it. It's far too early to say he's "formidable".
• Efe Ajagba isn’t a particularly “big” heavyweight, either in terms of height or weight, since an average top-ten ranked heavyweight currently stands at 6’5” 250lbs.
The Nick Jones fight and the other mismatches the Nigerian have engaged in seem to constantly illustrate the points I’ve raised.
Some positive points I’ve raised:
• The Nigerian has flaws and it's too early to determine his talent and potential, based on the type of opponents he's been mixing with so far.
• I appreciate he’s young and is still learning his trade in the pro ranks, so he is likely to improve, which means it's too early to form an opinion yet.
I stand by everything I’ve said, even if you disagree with some of the points I have raised.
I actually feel that your claims are far more outlandish than my own. It's strange that I'm getting criticised by others when your own thoughts are far more weird than my own.
Re: Efe Ajagba real height
Posted: 13 Feb 2019, 07:47
by lazboy
This pest needs to go. Enoughs enough. Mods get rid of him.
Re: Efe Ajagba real height
Posted: 13 Feb 2019, 08:56
by oogiebe
lazboy wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 07:47
This pest needs to go. Enoughs enough. Mods get rid of him.
Boxtune wrote: ↑11 Feb 2019, 02:03
To call Ajagbs 6'3" is a crime to me ...it could be typo from Arthur who posted on internet boxing article on him ... easily disregarded
I'm a big Ajagba fan but to me the stats that truly matter is who he beats and how badly. Even NBA players (where height means more than in boxing) have discrepancies in their actual heights. Some fans say Kobe Bryant is 6'6", some say 6'7". Who cares? He has 5 rings and a certain spot in the HOF.
Since you measured his reach,can you tell if you measured his hight ? Because 6'5" sounds too short for a guy weighting 240, but shreaded to his bone. He look too lanky .
Re: Efe Ajagba real height
Posted: 09 Mar 2019, 06:10
by Boxtune
Best Coast wrote: ↑08 Mar 2019, 17:23
Anyone know the reach for Daniel Dubois? BoxRec shows his height as 6'5" but has no reach shown for him.
Dubois just had a nice KO of Cojanu on ESPN+...
Ajagba looks like 2 inch taller than Daniel Dubiois who is listed 6'5" also
