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ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:40

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:37

chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.

201 would be quite enough.

He'll be 20-25 LBS heavier.

It would be too much, I think his optimum at HW might be about 215.
Never forget Holyfield, and Tyson too...........

He's probably been at that weight for his fight nights at CW.

Definitely over 210 fightnight at cruiser, you win't see that guy overweight ever, he can carry upto 230 easily still looking ripped (like it would matter at heavy).

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:46

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:40

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:37

chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.

201 would be quite enough.

He'll be 20-25 LBS heavier.

It would be too much, I think his optimum at HW might be about 215.
Never forget Holyfield, and Tyson too...........

He's probably been at that weight for his fight nights at CW.

His speed is one of his main weapons, and he needs to retain this speed at HW. It will be quite difficult if he is over 220.

You don't loose your handspeed because you carry 10 pounds more, not at all

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:46

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:40

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:37

chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.

201 would be quite enough.

He'll be 20-25 LBS heavier.

It would be too much, I think his optimum at HW might be about 215.
Never forget Holyfield, and Tyson too...........

He's probably been at that weight for his fight nights at CW.

His speed is one of his main weapons, and he needs to retain this speed at HW. It will be quite difficult if he is over 220.

he isn't adding fat. He's losing cutting weight and fighting slower fighters. That , my friend, is as wrong as a statement can be.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:58

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:46

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:40

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:37

chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.

201 would be quite enough.

He'll be 20-25 LBS heavier.

It would be too much, I think his optimum at HW might be about 215.
Never forget Holyfield, and Tyson too...........

He's probably been at that weight for his fight nights at CW.

His speed is one of his main weapons, and he needs to retain this speed at HW. It will be quite difficult if he is over 220.

he isn't adding fat. He's losing cutting weight and fighting slower fighters. That , my friend, is as wrong as a statement can be.

You might be right !? But, let us try to explain Joshua's case (he has almost no fat), I think you will agree with me that he is pretty faster with 235 than with 250. So, it could be same with Usyk ?

adislav123 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:53 You don't loose your handspeed because you carry 10 pounds more, not at all

Footspeed ?

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:05

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:58

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:46

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:40

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:37

chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.

201 would be quite enough.

He'll be 20-25 LBS heavier.

It would be too much, I think his optimum at HW might be about 215.
Never forget Holyfield, and Tyson too...........

He's probably been at that weight for his fight nights at CW.

His speed is one of his main weapons, and he needs to retain this speed at HW. It will be quite difficult if he is over 220.

he isn't adding fat. He's losing cutting weight and fighting slower fighters. That , my friend, is as wrong as a statement can be.

You might be right !? But, let us try to explain Joshua's case (he has almost no fat), I think you will agree with me that he is pretty faster with 235 than with 250. So, it could be same with Usyk ?

It's not the same situation. Joshua isn't cutting weight, that's a depleting process. Usyk fights near that anyway, he'd be even faster.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:17

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:05

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:58

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:46

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:40

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:37

chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.

201 would be quite enough.

He'll be 20-25 LBS heavier.

It would be too much, I think his optimum at HW might be about 215.
Never forget Holyfield, and Tyson too...........

He's probably been at that weight for his fight nights at CW.

His speed is one of his main weapons, and he needs to retain this speed at HW. It will be quite difficult if he is over 220.

he isn't adding fat. He's losing cutting weight and fighting slower fighters. That , my friend, is as wrong as a statement can be.

You might be right !? But, let us try to explain Joshua's case (he has almost no fat), I think you will agree with me that he is pretty faster with 235 than with 250. So, it could be same with Usyk ?

It's not the same situation. Joshua isn't cutting weight, that's a depleting process. Usyk fights near that anyway, he'd be even faster.

Let us wait several months. I hope we will see if I am wrong .

We don't have to wait, you're definitely wrong.

There should be an option for choosing both as there are multiple belts nowadays. Usyk is the #1 choice, though. I knew he was something special from the very first time i saw him. He should have kept his cossack haircut because there is power in it. I have. Hrgoviv, on the other hand, looks to me like the third Klitschko brother.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:31 There should be an option for choosing both as there are multiple belts nowadays. Usyk is the #1 choice, though. I knew he was something special from the very first time i saw him. He should have kept his cossack haircut because there is power in it. I have. Hrgoviv, on the other hand, looks to me like the third Klitschko brother.

Yes !

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:30 We don't have to wait, you're definitely wrong.

We will see, I hope we will be alive.

ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:40

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:30 We don't have to wait, you're definitely wrong.

We will see, I hope we will be alive.

Nothing to see bro. If he came in at 260 you might have a point.

Usyk will weigh about 215 for his heavyweight debut.

I expect him to eventually settle in between 220-225.

He'll retain his speed and movement, along with a high workrate, and perhaps satisfy those who foolishly believe Usyk's too small.

As if 6'3.5" 220+ pounds is too small. Maybe for sumo wrestling.

chuck9788 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:32 What would you like to see Usyks' weight to be at as a heavyweight? He's 6'3 in height.

How much do you think he weighs at cruiser when in the ring?
IIRC he was ~212lbs vs Joe Joyce in WBSS

Usyk will get a chance to win a belt first, but I believe Hrgovic is the better heavyweight.

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 16:24 usyks much better, hrg stiff, slow and lacks snap to his shots....got hurt by tom little even

Slow. Hurt by Little? lol, um no.

absolutely, it was totally clear too, even if you wish it werent

pound per pound wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 18:05

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 16:24 usyks much better, hrg stiff, slow and lacks snap to his shots....got hurt by tom little even

Slow. Hurt by Little? lol, um no.

I just watched this on YouTube minutes ago.
I see no time that Hrgovic was hurt, stunned or even dazed

he was stunned 1335 , sloppy defense and gets nailed, his aggressive attack suddenly stops, he starts retreating and and is looking behind himself and a bit of an unsteady and in recovery

obviously felt it

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 00:26 he was stunned 1335 , sloppy defense and gets nailed, his aggressive attack suddenly stops, he starts retreating and and is looking behind himself and a bit of an unsteady and in recovery

obviously felt it

You previously state he was hurt. Now it's he was stunned.
All I see is he was hit with a clean shot backed up 3 steps while on his toes and continued to fight.
Not hurt, not stunned just hit clearly

lol ya, im changing my tune, its not like hurt and stunned can be used synomously

man felt it bruh, suddenly his agression stops and hes retreating and looking behind

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 01:18 lol ya, im changing my tune, its not like hurt and stunned can be used synomously

man felt it bruh, suddenly his agression stops and hes retreating and looking behind

Hurt and stunned are 2 different things in boxing.
Sorry but they are

if i used them the same then its not me changng my tune....

semantcs asde...he felt those shots and was sloppy on d

just not blown away. hes obvously one to watch but dont see why so many crown him as some sort of envtable champ or elite hw. usy to me seems far more talented though smaller of course