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jamamb wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 14:36 hes about as good as kownacki, just slightly worse

Slightly worse?
I dunno. He would have had to have done a lot more to win against Kow.
I was fully prepared to give Martin a fresh look after AJ. Nothing he has done since, has led me to believe in him.

it was a super close fight, i had it 5--4-1 kownacki.

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 14:36 hes about as good as kownacki, just slightly worse

Kownacki just about won, he’s had some poor performances.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 14:40

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 14:36 hes about as good as kownacki, just slightly worse

Slightly worse?
I dunno. He would have had to have done a lot more to win against Kow.
I was fully prepared to give Martin a fresh look after AJ. Nothing he has done since, has led me to believe in him.

Agreed.

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 14:42 it was a super close fight, i had it 5--4-1 kownacki.

Agreed. It was close. I had it about the same, but I don't really rate Kownacki that much either.
Entertaining? Yes.
Championship contender? Nah

ya neither are great, but taking a look at the division, how many guys are clearly better. martins still a top 25 fighter

I'm still in the 'giving Charles Martin the benefit of the doubt' club. I feel like the fights he has taken on doesn't tell me where he sits in the division. Could be top 30, maybe a US domestic title? Maybe if he manages to squeeze a win against another top 30 fighter he will settle into a ranking.

The division is just not that deep, hence why Kownacki is probably genuine top 15. I mean how would Kownacki fare against the likes of Joseph Parker? I think it would be pretty close.

In regards to the fight against Corbin. I guess it is pretty hard to get excited when he's a 38 year old novice. Probably a wide UD, and the world continues to revolve.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 18:58 I'm still in the 'giving Charles Martin the benefit of the doubt' club. I feel like the fights he has taken on doesn't tell me where he sits in the division. Could be top 30, maybe a US domestic title? Maybe if he manages to squeeze a win against another top 30 fighter he will settle into a ranking.

The division is just not that deep, hence why Kownacki is probably genuine top 15. I mean how would Kownacki fare against the likes of Joseph Parker? I think it would be pretty close.

Kow wouldn't be in deep against Parker. I agree it would be competitive. After the top 3, you have the next 3/4 as a group and then everyone else. By the end of the year, we'll see fresh faces making noise in the top 10.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:00

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 18:58 I'm still in the 'giving Charles Martin the benefit of the doubt' club. I feel like the fights he has taken on doesn't tell me where he sits in the division. Could be top 30, maybe a US domestic title? Maybe if he manages to squeeze a win against another top 30 fighter he will settle into a ranking.

The division is just not that deep, hence why Kownacki is probably genuine top 15. I mean how would Kownacki fare against the likes of Joseph Parker? I think it would be pretty close.

Kow wouldn't be in deep against Parker. I agree it would be competitive. After the top 3, you have the next 3/4 as a group and then everyone else. By the end of the year, we'll see fresh faces making noise in the top 10.

I dunno, are you genuinely expecting anyone to breach the current top 10 in the next 12 months?

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:00

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 18:58 I'm still in the 'giving Charles Martin the benefit of the doubt' club. I feel like the fights he has taken on doesn't tell me where he sits in the division. Could be top 30, maybe a US domestic title? Maybe if he manages to squeeze a win against another top 30 fighter he will settle into a ranking.

The division is just not that deep, hence why Kownacki is probably genuine top 15. I mean how would Kownacki fare against the likes of Joseph Parker? I think it would be pretty close.

Kow wouldn't be in deep against Parker. I agree it would be competitive. After the top 3, you have the next 3/4 as a group and then everyone else. By the end of the year, we'll see fresh faces making noise in the top 10.

I dunno, are you genuinely expecting anyone to breach the current top 10 in the next 12 months?

Some of those top 15 guys will lose over the next year and guys like Hrgovic, Makhmudov; Dubois; and even Ajagba could move into smelling distance. (Less likely Ajagba as I think he'll be brought along slower). Povetkin is pushing 40; Ortiz continues to tick; Pulev is waiting for one last payday; Breazeale could fall off; Parker, who knows. The rest of 10-15 are as good as they will get, IMHO. Kabayel; Schwarz; Rivas; seat warmers.

Martin is two fights away from being one fight near a contender shot. But he's better than the crow.

sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:50 Martin is two fights away from being one fight near a contender shot. But he's better than the crow.

He's two fights away from journeyman if he ever fights a warm body.

I think John Ruiz would’ve schooled Breazale,Martin.... could possibly have given Wilder fits, definitely beats Parker and White. How funny is that?

PUGLET wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 20:03 I think John Ruiz would’ve schooled Breazale,Martin.... could possibly have given Wilder fits, definitely beats Parker and White. How funny is that?

Sleepy Ruiz made some decent fighters look not so good. He was so-so himself and perhaps the most boring fighter the HW's had ever seen. I bless Tua for that one round blowout. Ruiz's most exciting fight!

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:30

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:00

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 18:58 I'm still in the 'giving Charles Martin the benefit of the doubt' club. I feel like the fights he has taken on doesn't tell me where he sits in the division. Could be top 30, maybe a US domestic title? Maybe if he manages to squeeze a win against another top 30 fighter he will settle into a ranking.

The division is just not that deep, hence why Kownacki is probably genuine top 15. I mean how would Kownacki fare against the likes of Joseph Parker? I think it would be pretty close.

Kow wouldn't be in deep against Parker. I agree it would be competitive. After the top 3, you have the next 3/4 as a group and then everyone else. By the end of the year, we'll see fresh faces making noise in the top 10.

I dunno, are you genuinely expecting anyone to breach the current top 10 in the next 12 months?

Some of those top 15 guys will lose over the next year and guys like Hrgovic, Makhmudov; Dubois; and even Ajagba could move into smelling distance. (Less likely Ajagba as I think he'll be brought along slower). Povetkin is pushing 40; Ortiz continues to tick; Pulev is waiting for one last payday; Breazeale could fall off; Parker, who knows. The rest of 10-15 are as good as they will get, IMHO. Kabayel; Schwarz; Rivas; seat warmers.

The way I see it, the only viable way that the guys sitting in 10-20 head into the top 10, is if they fight and beat guys in the top 10-20 and how many of the guys in 10-20 are that ambitious?

Who knows, maybe I'll be surprised. Maybe Joe Joyce with a well positioned couple of fights, but don't think there is a lot out there for him where he will win.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 14:00 Martin is a bum. Won the title on an injury. Once again fighting a old nobody. Maybe Corbin can get lucky.

Former heavyweight champ ????
Lets not be too silly


as for Corbin... he's had the slowest career imaginable managing to rack up just 15-odd fights in over a decade.

the biggest struggle he has is with the fridge every day.

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 17:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 14:00 Martin is a bum. Won the title on an injury. Once again fighting a old nobody. Maybe Corbin can get lucky.

Former heavyweight champ ????
Lets not be too silly


as for Corbin... he's had the slowest career imaginable managing to rack up just 15-odd fights in over a decade.

the biggest struggle he has is with the fridge every day.

Yes, let's not be too silly. It's not as if Martin "won" the title. His opponent suffered a career ending knee injury in like the second round or something. His only two fights vs names he lost.

LMAO! Charles Martin was quoted as saying, "I know this much — The best should be fighting the best," Martin explained to Sporting News.

I guess he feels highly about Corbin!

Another Charles Martin gem:

"When I'm in This Mindset, Nobody Can Beat Me"

Truly remarkable.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:02 Another Charles Martin gem:

"When I'm in This Mindset, Nobody Can Beat Me"

Truly remarkable.

In Martin's defense. Most fighters think the same way

tiny_acres wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 18:03

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:02 Another Charles Martin gem:

"When I'm in This Mindset, Nobody Can Beat Me"

Truly remarkable.

In Martin's defense. Most fighters think the same way

He's all talk. False bravado.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 18:06

tiny_acres wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 18:03

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:02 Another Charles Martin gem:

"When I'm in This Mindset, Nobody Can Beat Me"

Truly remarkable.

In Martin's defense. Most fighters think the same way

He's all talk. False bravado.

Again. So are most fighters.

Will Charles Martin knock this guy out??? I can’t find anything of Jeremy Corbin on youtube expect him chatting nonsense and get jabbed by Briggs

Heading to round seven. Martin winning shutout. Corbin has had three points deducted for low blows. Boring shvt.

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Mar 2019, 20:43 Heading to round seven. Martin winning shutout. Corbin has had three points deducted for low blows. Boring shvt.

Martin has looked relatively efficient though.