boxing_rocks wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 15:11
Canelo will wait until "his body is ready" (read "Kovalev grows old") before making that fight.
I'm surprised you're not accusing Canelo of waiting for Joshua to grow old before he ponders fighting him.
You should never question a smaller man's motives and demand he move up just because you feel he should. That's why there are weight divisions.
Canelo may or may not climb to 175. That's his decision alone based on whether he eventually feels that's a realistic weight to fight at.
In his next bout, Canelo is back to 160. A long stretch to jump to light heavy.
I don't see guys like Lomachenko willing to climb another weight division. Won't head to 140 for a Pacquiao match. He feels that it's too much for him. And that's okay. He's entitled to fight right now where he's comfortable.
Why a different standard for Canelo?
As usual, Canelo/ GBP envy lurks behind these sentiments.
with br its simply an east euro vs non east euro thing, lol that its down to some jealousy of golden boy promotions
i mean top rank and bob arum are plenty rich and succesful themselves
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 24 Feb 2019, 16:16
by Onetimeonly
Tr could buy GBP several times over, as could match room.
Eolaithe wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 02:30
I personally doubt that Canelo has ever mentioned Sergey Kovalev's name during any interviews. I just don’t think it ever happened.
"We do not rule out the possibility (of fighting at 175 pounds)," said Canelo to ESPN Deportes.
"At this moment we have other things in mind, but the possibility exists. It's a huge challenge, but it's the type of things that I like, I know (Sergey) Kovalev since I was 20 years old, and why not, we could make a fight between us and I like those challenges, there is the possibility of making that fight."
Being unified at middleweight is by far the first objective.
"That is what we intend to do this year, if everything is settled, if everything goes well in May, that is what we intend to do this year, to be champion of the four organizations," Canelo said.
"We are on that path, everything can change, first it is (Jacobs) and then September. We are very happy and focused on this fight on May 4, it is a complicated fight, but it is the fight we want and hopefully everything goes how we want."
Taken from BS
Poor EO. Making claims without citing his sources and now his processor is probably malfunctioning since he doesn't think he can commit an error.
Time for another account. I love kovalev, but I don't think he could handle canelos body shots. I didn't see a dazzling performance against Alvarez, he looked incredibly vulnerable.
Same. Kov has been one of my favorites, but he's slipped. I'd take Canelo against him right now--in another two years time the fight wouldn't be close.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 24 Feb 2019, 16:42
by Blodhemn
Kovalev is diminished but his straight punches at range would be bad news for Canelo, but that's assuming the fight is now. Kovalev will be retired in two years anyway. How about Canelo against Bivol then, eh?
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 15:28
Lomachenko would fight Manny at 140 in a second. He wouldn't do it to take an ass whipping from Crawford, but he would for PAC.
Nah, from what I've seen Loma's never really been interested in Pacquiao. Wrong timing/weight, sort of thing.
For example: , around the 6 min mark.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 24 Feb 2019, 17:09
by Blodhemn
Holy shit, I just scanned a page of the comments to that video. Saad your Loma hate would get some relief for once.
Manny lovers can't even distinguish between signs of respect and disrespect.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 24 Feb 2019, 17:14
by jamamb
manny has some of the nuttiest fans, they were running wild especially back during his peak run around 2010
i could imagine them stabbing someone to defend mannys honour
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 24 Feb 2019, 17:20
by Blodhemn
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 17:14
manny has some of the nuttiest fans, it was hilarious especially back during his peak run around 2010
Yeah, I've been checked out to the Manny fanatics for years, coinciding with the lack of interest with his fights in general, but they're still here!
"i could imagine them stabbing someone to defend mannys honour" - I could too. Can even picture his face.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 24 Feb 2019, 17:22
by Onetimeonly
That was a crazy time, being called a pachugger and floydhugger in the same day when I almost always cheered against both of them.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 24 Feb 2019, 17:40
by gilgamesh
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 17:22
That was a crazy time, being called a pachugger and floydhugger in the same day when I almost always cheered against both of them.
I got that too
The mere mention of facts is sometimes too much for people.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 24 Feb 2019, 17:48
by Blodhemn
Yeah, seemed a more polarizing time for boxing, now hardly anyone gives a shit but Pac fans still. Also reminds me of getting called racist against blacks n whites in the same week.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 24 Feb 2019, 17:53
by punchoutsb
As a group the Pac fans were a bit worse, but as far as single individuals go Floyd had that one crazy guy on his side who was the worst of any of the lot. Can't recall his name now...he was a real idiot: 9/11 denier, thought Michelle Obama was a man, thought anyone who cheered against Floyd was in the Klan, etc.
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑24 Feb 2019, 15:11
Canelo will wait until "his body is ready" (read "Kovalev grows old") before making that fight.
I'm surprised you're not accusing Canelo of waiting for Joshua to grow old before he ponders fighting him.
You should never question a smaller man's motives and demand he move up just because you feel he should. That's why there are weight divisions.
Canelo may or may not climb to 175. That's his decision alone based on whether he eventually feels that's a realistic weight to fight at.
In his next bout, Canelo is back to 160. A long stretch to jump to light heavy.
I don't see guys like Lomachenko willing to climb another weight division. Won't head to 140 for a Pacquiao match. He feels that it's too much for him. And that's okay. He's entitled to fight right now where he's comfortable.
Why a different standard for Canelo?
As usual, Canelo/ GBP envy lurks behind these sentiments.
Loma is honest in his unwillingness to move to 140. Canelo's way of "move up" is cheating. Golovkin would smash him 3 years ago when he was a WBC mandatory for Canelo's title. Kovalev would still likely smash him, so Canelo will again wait until he can fight remnants of a former monster.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 10:21
by Eolaithe
Canelo has just said that he'd like to fight Chris Eubank Jr. or Callum Smith before the end of the year.
The Smith fight would be easy to make, because Callum is one of Canelo's DAZN stablemates.
I also feel that the Eubank Jr. fight could be easy to make, because Haymon has a track-record of working with GBP when there's a lot of money to be made (i.e. Canelo-Khan; Canelo-Jacobs; Canelo-Lara; Canelo-Trout; Canelo-Mayweather Jr.; Canelo-Lopez; etc.).
The Brit doesn't have a contract with any of the US broadcasters and the UK isn't one of the territories covered by DAZN, which means that ITV should have no problem allowing this fight to happen.
Eubank Jr. might be the preferred option, because Chris has a bigger name than Smith, as he is already a PPV draw in the UK in his own right. He's also a far less risky opponent.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 15:57
by ValMar
Eolaithe wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 10:21
Canelo has just said that he'd like to fight Chris Eubank Jr. or Callum Smith before the end of the year.
The Smith fight would be easy to make, because Callum is one of Canelo's DAZN stablemates.
I also feel that the Eubank Jr. fight could be easy to make, because Haymon has a track-record of working with GBP when there's a lot of money to be made (i.e. Canelo-Khan; Canelo-Jacobs; Canelo-Lara; Canelo-Trout; Canelo-Mayweather Jr.; Canelo-Lopez; etc.).
The Brit doesn't have a contract with any of the US broadcasters and the UK isn't one of the territories covered by DAZN, which means that ITV should have no problem allowing this fight to happen.
Eubank Jr. might be the preferred option, because Chris has a bigger name than Smith, as he is already a PPV draw in the UK in his own right. He's also a far less risky opponent.
Canelo is capable to become the undisputed SMW champion tomorrow, SMW is the weakest weight division (I am not sure about divisions under the BW) right now.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 15:59
by jamamb
maybe, but id be very interested in how canelo would deal with a giant like 6'3 callum smith, who is massive for the weight and a good sharp and powerful puncher, remember he also ktfo fieilding in 1 round before canelo beat rocky up
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 16:03
by ValMar
jamamb wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 15:59
maybe, but id be very interested in how canelo would deal with a giant like callum smith, who is massive for the weight and a good sharp and powerful puncher, remember he also ktfo fieilding in 1 round before canelo beat rocky up
I think Canelo would defeat C. Smith, easily. Smith is not a giant, he is simply a tall and skinny fighter.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 16:03
by jamamb
nah, hes tall and big framed. he made fielding look small too. dont let canelo battering fielding trick you into thinking hes beat a top smw and thats how its gonna go. remember smith kicked fieldings ass even faster. he damaged groves much worse then eubank or jack could.
smith is wayy bigger and a very good fighter in his own right. powerful, nice varied output, and shown solid stamina and durability. hes a very tough challenge for canelo and would beat up ggg.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 16:10
by jamamb
btw, im interested that seemingly a good number think canelo moves up and easily beats smith and beats guys like kov and gvo at lhw. canelos an excellent fighter but im not sure 2 close fights with ggg at mw really give me that much confidence in him.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 16:13
by ValMar
jamamb wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 16:10
btw, im interested that seemingly a good number think canelo moves up and easily beats smith and beats guys like kov and gvo at lhw. canelos an excellent fighter but im not sure 2 close fights with ggg at mw really give me that much confidence in him.
I am convinced Canelo would beat every current SMW. LHW would be a quite different story.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 16:16
by jamamb
maybe, but im just not seeing how a guy like smith is 'easy work' . smith is waay bigger and a good fighter in his own right, with power, stamina, and durability. he took shots from george groves no problem, and then battered him worse then guys like jack and eubank could manage.
smith hasnt fought a p4p level talent like canelo, but canelo has never fought a good fighter so much bigger. smith is no rocky fielding, as his 1 round destruction of rocky showed.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 16:22
by ValMar
jamamb wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 16:16
maybe, but im just not seeing how a guy like smith is 'easy work' . smith is waay bigger and a good fighter in his own right, with power, stamina, and durability. he took shots from george groves no problem.
smith hasnt fought a p4p level talent like canelo, but canelo has never fought a good fighter so much bigger. smith is no rocky fielding, as his 1 round destruction of rocky showed.
Canelo is A+ level, definitely, and he faced several A+ opponents.
Smith might be something between B+ and A level, and he has never faced any A level opponent.
Yes, Smith is much bigger, but this is not enough.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 16:23
by jamamb
i think smith would beat up guys like ggg and lara and cotto. do you see them beating him, the versions who fought canelo. something like smith vs cotto would be a hilarious pairing imo. cotto would look like a kid getting beaten up.
no doubt hed pound the crap out of his smaller inferior brother worse then canelo did
jamamb wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 16:10
btw, im interested that seemingly a good number think canelo moves up and easily beats smith and beats guys like kov and gvo at lhw. canelos an excellent fighter but im not sure 2 close fights with ggg at mw really give me that much confidence in him.
I am convinced Canelo would beat every current SMW. LHW would be a quite different story.
I don't think he can beat Benavidez.
Re: Canelo interested to face Kovalev at LHW.
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 16:31
by ValMar
jamamb wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 16:23
i think smith would beat up guys like ggg and lara and cotto. do you see them beating him, the versions who fought canelo. something like smith vs cotto would be a hilarious pairing imo. cotto would look like a kid getting beaten up.
no doubt hed pound the crap out of his smaller inferior brother worse then canelo did
Cotto and Lara are both too small for SMW. I am not sure for GGG, specially now.
