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jamamb wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:46 obviously ortiz wins, its not getting much attention because its not interesting. doesnt figure to be entertaining either, probably hammer just trying to survive while ortiz plods around

I won't be watching.

Hammer will survive, I believe. But that's his maximum in this matchup, Ortiz is far better boxer.

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Feb 2019, 11:04 Hammer will survive, I believe. But that's his maximum in this matchup, Ortiz is far better boxer.

I agree.

Actually, I believe Hammer may even win 1 or 2 rounds.

This one should be an insomnia cure.

Well that was not a great fight to watch.

Hammer did a lot better than I thought he would, or is that a case of Ortiz falling completely off the wagon? Ortiz output completely slowed down in the second half, and he resorted to pawing out the jab and arm shots.

I think a UD as wide as that is extremely unfair on Hammer, especially when he picked himself a knockdown in the 2nd round.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 05:38 Well that was not a great fight to watch.

Hammer did a lot better than I thought he would, or is that a case of Ortiz falling completely off the wagon? Ortiz output completely slowed down in the second half, and he resorted to pawing out the jab and arm shots.

I think a UD as wide as that is extremely unfair on Hammer, especially when he picked himself a knockdown in the 2nd round.

Has Ortiz ever impressed against that level of fighter?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 06:38

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 05:38 Well that was not a great fight to watch.

Hammer did a lot better than I thought he would, or is that a case of Ortiz falling completely off the wagon? Ortiz output completely slowed down in the second half, and he resorted to pawing out the jab and arm shots.

I think a UD as wide as that is extremely unfair on Hammer, especially when he picked himself a knockdown in the 2nd round.

Has Ortiz ever impressed against that level of fighter?

vs Jennings, but that's it

dagilechia wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 08:27

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 06:38

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 05:38 Well that was not a great fight to watch.

Hammer did a lot better than I thought he would, or is that a case of Ortiz falling completely off the wagon? Ortiz output completely slowed down in the second half, and he resorted to pawing out the jab and arm shots.

I think a UD as wide as that is extremely unfair on Hammer, especially when he picked himself a knockdown in the 2nd round.

Has Ortiz ever impressed against that level of fighter?

vs Jennings, but that's it

Jennings is no world beater, but I rate him more than hammer.

I had 100-91 for Ortiz. He needs a last shot before going out, being short of becoming 40 years old (on paper) in two weeks

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 06:38

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 05:38 Well that was not a great fight to watch.

Hammer did a lot better than I thought he would, or is that a case of Ortiz falling completely off the wagon? Ortiz output completely slowed down in the second half, and he resorted to pawing out the jab and arm shots.

I think a UD as wide as that is extremely unfair on Hammer, especially when he picked himself a knockdown in the 2nd round.

Has Ortiz ever impressed against that level of fighter?

Yes he has. I am still pissed off about Wilder and the phony ref and ring doctor and their little medical examination act to buy him extra time when Ortiz was about to KO him.

Really was expecting more from Ortiz. IMO, he won 100-91, but looked quite vulnerable in there against an experienced but limited Christian Hammer.
His defense was not that good, and he just seems to have trouble finding the right distance to effective work from. He also slowed down late, although he finished strong in the final round.
On the positive side, he jabbed pretty well, landed some wicked body shots, as well as some nice combinations. Hammer clearly didn't come to lay down.
I would say Ortiz is the clear underdog against the Top 3. I felt before this fight that he might be able to beat Wilder in a rematch, but not likely now. He would have a slightly better chance at beating Joshua. He best chance, I believe, would be against Tyson Fury, although, I think he would have to get to him in the 1st half of the fight.

I felt that Hammer did some good things in the ring. He showed above the mark toughness and was able to get off some nice shots. Unfortunately he seems to be unable to put punches together. Anyway, I find myself today applauding Hammer's tenacity instead of dismissing Ortiz' performance.

It sounds like it played out as I predicted: Uninspiring and one-sided decision win. Is it worth watching, I'm struggling to find much enthusiasm?

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:56 Is it worth watching, I'm struggling to find much enthusiasm?

I feel it is definitely worth the watch. Some good punches were thrown. both fighters had blood running from their noses.

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:56 It sounds like it played out as I predicted: Uninspiring and one-sided decision win. Is it worth watching, I'm struggling to find much enthusiasm?

Most rounds were pretty close. It wasn't a bad watch.

Maybe I'll take a look. Thanks.

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:03 Maybe I'll take a look. Thanks.

First five rounds were pretty good actually...back half it slowed down but had its moments. It was far better than I anticipated.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 10:38

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 06:38

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 05:38 Well that was not a great fight to watch.

Hammer did a lot better than I thought he would, or is that a case of Ortiz falling completely off the wagon? Ortiz output completely slowed down in the second half, and he resorted to pawing out the jab and arm shots.

I think a UD as wide as that is extremely unfair on Hammer, especially when he picked himself a knockdown in the 2nd round.

Has Ortiz ever impressed against that level of fighter?

Yes he has. I am still pissed off about Wilder and the phony ref and ring doctor and their little medical examination act to buy him extra time when Ortiz was about to KO him.

I don't doubt that, asshat. Wilder breathing air pisses you off. Hopefully someday he can meet his maker and finally face Briggs or Zhang.

"I don't doubt that, asshat..."


I ought to try to remember the names i'm responding to i suppose, but why bother? 12 year old keyboard tough guys are a dime a dozen.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 13:21 "I don't doubt that, asshat..."


I ought to try to remember the names i'm responding to i suppose, but why bother? 12 year old keyboard tough guys are a dime a dozen.

Your accounts are a dime a dozen. I hope you're 12.

Whyte v Ortiz should happen. They’d both make good money and it could go either way.

And it would be an excellent fight. The only thing I could find against, it is another potentially huge boulder in the road for Dillian to negotiate. Still, it could be argued he just turned down a title shot, and let's face it, Whyte doesn't really go for the easy option even if it's there.

Povetkin v Whyte would be a terrific fight too, if Usyk prefers to start out against Takam.

"Your accounts..."


I only have one account. I used to use another name, meaningless letter and number, but that was changed with the permission of the moderator.