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Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 12:32
by Onetimeonly
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:29
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:22
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:09
getnada wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:08
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 09:53
AJ is gonna start quacking. He wants nothing to do with Wilder.
Why would AJ even bother? AJ only wants to face the best boxers out there that dare to stand up against him.
Wilder simply isn't such a guy, he's a hypejob, he's a scam and everybody that knows boxing knows that.
A scam? Now I know you are merely trying to be outrageous and controversial.
He's a troll. You don't remember assjtjaj?
I don't. But thanks.
Are you kidding? Hates wilder and haye with a passion? Loves Tyrone spong, Briggs & that old Chinese guy who's paying guys to lay down?
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 12:36
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:32
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:29
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:22
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:09
getnada wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:08
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 09:53
AJ is gonna start quacking. He wants nothing to do with Wilder.
Why would AJ even bother? AJ only wants to face the best boxers out there that dare to stand up against him.
Wilder simply isn't such a guy, he's a hypejob, he's a scam and everybody that knows boxing knows that.
A scam? Now I know you are merely trying to be outrageous and controversial.
He's a troll. You don't remember assjtjaj?
I don't. But thanks.
Are you kidding? Hates wilder and haye with a passion? Loves Tyrone spong, Briggs & that old Chinese guy who's paying guys to lay down?
I usually ignore crazy posts, so I probably dismissed him in the past, or someone else responded to him so I didn't have to. This thread had him stand out, so he was clearly being an arse.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 12:36
by Onetimeonly
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:36
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:32
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:29
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:22
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:09
getnada wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:08
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 09:53
AJ is gonna start quacking. He wants nothing to do with Wilder.
Why would AJ even bother? AJ only wants to face the best boxers out there that dare to stand up against him.
Wilder simply isn't such a guy, he's a hypejob, he's a scam and everybody that knows boxing knows that.
A scam? Now I know you are merely trying to be outrageous and controversial.
He's a troll. You don't remember assjtjaj?
I don't. But thanks.
Are you kidding? Hates wilder and haye with a passion? Loves Tyrone spong, Briggs & that old Chinese guy who's paying guys to lay down?
I usually ignore crazy posts, so I probably dismissed him in the past, or someone else responded to him so I didn't have to. This thread had him stand out, so he was clearly being an arse.
He has a half dozen accounts.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 12:38
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:36
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:36
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:32
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:29
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:22
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:09
getnada wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:08
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 09:53
AJ is gonna start quacking. He wants nothing to do with Wilder.
Why would AJ even bother? AJ only wants to face the best boxers out there that dare to stand up against him.
Wilder simply isn't such a guy, he's a hypejob, he's a scam and everybody that knows boxing knows that.
A scam? Now I know you are merely trying to be outrageous and controversial.
He's a troll. You don't remember assjtjaj?
I don't. But thanks.
Are you kidding? Hates wilder and haye with a passion? Loves Tyrone spong, Briggs & that old Chinese guy who's paying guys to lay down?
I usually ignore crazy posts, so I probably dismissed him in the past, or someone else responded to him so I didn't have to. This thread had him stand out, so he was clearly being an arse.
He has a half dozen accounts.
Wish the mods could better police that. Tough I suppose.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 14:59
by punchoutsb
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 05:42
punchoutsb wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 15:14
oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 14:36
punchoutsb wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 14:27
Wilder understands he was pretty lucky overall to steal a draw against a still somewhat rusty Fury, and he also understands that Fury will likely win the rematch. Joshua presents different problems, but also much more money. Joshua is also a more winnable fight for Wilder, so no surprise here.
I found it ironic that Wilder makes this statement after all the talk of a Fury rematch and how much that was his priority. On the other side of this, I think Fury made a mistake. There's no guarantee that he can sustain his more disciplined and effective training regimen. He can go off the rails at any moment, IMO.
I hope Fury is a changed man, if so he will be fine.
The thing is, Wilder never brings any new wrinkles. He's a very powerful guy who windmills his shots and carries his power late. He's not out-boxing Fury, and Fury has already shown he can take Wilder's shots...to a point. At this point it makes far more sense for DW to go after AJ and his somewhat suspect stamina than to rematch a more in-shape and less rusty version of the man who just *almost* (and should have) beat him.
I agree, except for the decision being bad, but as poor technically as wilder is his right hand did appear compromised in that fight.
I should have said "IMO" as far as the decision. I had Fury winning close even with the knockdowns, but a draw wasn't a bad decision.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 19:42
by sturm vogel
Wilder can have any fight he desires -as long as he accepts his opponents make twice as much as he does, as long as the fights are not in the United States, and as long as he accepts hometown judging. So what's the problem?
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 19:44
by oogiebe
sturm vogel wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 19:42
Wilder can have any fight he desires -as long as he accepts his opponents make twice as much as he does, as long as the fights are not in the United States, and as long as he accepts hometown judging. So what's the problem?
LOL!
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 19:48
by jamamb
yet in actuality pretty much every fight hes had hes made more, has been with him as the house fighter, and has had best case scenario judging for him. i dont really understand that post
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 19:50
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 19:48
yet in actuality pretty much every fight hes had hes made more, has been with him as the house fighter, and has had best case scenario judging for him. i dont really understand, was that supposed to be witty or something.
I think tongue in cheek
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 11:21
by The Asleep Lamps
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 05:46
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 20:04
Anthony Joshua isn't the lineal champion but he is the man to beat in the division.
Lineal is outdated and meaningless, but I would consider Joshua the lineal champ. Fury announced his retirement and Josh fought the next guy in line.
I don't consider him the lineal champion because he hasn't dealt with Wilder. I know some Joshua fans will blame that on Wilder's team but I'm not. Not when he can find the time for Parker and Povetkin.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 11:45
by Ilya Muromets
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:36
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:36
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:32
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:29
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 12:22
oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:09
getnada wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:08
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 09:53
AJ is gonna start quacking. He wants nothing to do with Wilder.
Why would AJ even bother? AJ only wants to face the best boxers out there that dare to stand up against him.
Wilder simply isn't such a guy, he's a hypejob, he's a scam and everybody that knows boxing knows that.
A scam? Now I know you are merely trying to be outrageous and controversial.
He's a troll. You don't remember assjtjaj?
I don't. But thanks.
Are you kidding? Hates wilder and haye with a passion? Loves Tyrone spong, Briggs & that old Chinese guy who's paying guys to lay down?
I usually ignore crazy posts, so I probably dismissed him in the past, or someone else responded to him so I didn't have to. This thread had him stand out, so he was clearly being an arse.
He has a half dozen accounts.
Like me, huh? This guy goes around accusing people of having multiple accounts.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 11:51
by Ilya Muromets
getnada wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 11:08
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 09:53
AJ is gonna start quacking. He wants nothing to do with Wilder.
Why would AJ even bother? AJ only wants to face the best boxers out there that dare to stand up against him.
Wilder simply isn't such a guy, he's a hypejob, he's a scam and everybody that knows boxing knows that.
This guy might be one of my "multiple accounts" because I don't like Wilder either. He's no good in more ways than one, but he has a dynamite punch and deep pocket handlers (King Kong Ortiz' words) and that's all. He was supposed to have a rematch with Fury so I want to see the rematch with Fury, OK?
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 13:06
by Onetimeonly
Sure is. Not transparent at all to quote yourself.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 13:11
by Onetimeonly
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 11:21
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 05:46
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 20:04
Anthony Joshua isn't the lineal champion but he is the man to beat in the division.
Lineal is outdated and meaningless, but I would consider Joshua the lineal champ. Fury announced his retirement and Josh fought the next guy in line.
I don't consider him the lineal champion because he hasn't dealt with Wilder. I know some Joshua fans will blame that on Wilder's team but I'm not. Not when he can find the time for Parker and Povetkin.
Too each their own. The lineal title is worth less than a dollar. Joshua is clearly the top ranked heavy. He needs to deal with wilder and fury to be undisputed. That's not the same thing. Not unreasonable to consider wilder #2 with wlad coming off the layoff and the loss to fury in the worst title fight in the sports history.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 14:17
by Enlightened-One
The lineal title carries enough prestige to help market bouts and enhance their commercial worth.
Fighters like Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua simply captured their world championships by beating opponents that took vacant titles.
Tyson Fury can boast about being a part of heavyweight boxing’s historical lineage, when he became “man who beat the man”.
All-time-greats, such as: Wladimir Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson and Rocky Marciano once held the very same mythical lineal title.
You then compare these names to some of the guys who once held the WBO heavyweight title at some point:
• Joseph Parker
• Sultan Ibragimov
• Shannon Briggs
• Siarhei Liakhovich
• Lamon Brewster
• Corrie Sanders
• Chris Byrd
• Herbie Hide
• Henry Akinwande
• Michael Bentt
• Francesco Damiani
I’m not suggesting that the “lineal” title is the sport of boxing’s most prestigious championship, because it isn’t, but it’s definitely not “worthless”.
It’s an accomplishment that promoters find useful to help sell fights.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 14:20
by oogiebe
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 14:17
The lineal title carries enough prestige to help market bouts and enhance their commercial worth.
Fighters like Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua simply captured their world championships by beating opponents that took vacant titles.
Tyson Fury can boast about being a part of heavyweight boxing’s historical lineage, when he became “man who beat the man”.
All-time-greats, such as: Wladimir Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson and Rocky Marciano once held the very same mythical lineal title.
You then compare these names to some of the guys who once held the WBO heavyweight title at some point:
• Joseph Parker
• Sultan Ibragimov
• Shannon Briggs
• Siarhei Liakhovich
• Lamon Brewster
• Corrie Sanders
• Chris Byrd
• Herbie Hide
• Henry Akinwande
• Michael Bentt
• Francesco Damiani
I’m not suggesting that the “lineal” title is the sport of boxing’s most prestigious championship, because it isn’t, but it’s definitely not “worthless”.
It’s an accomplishment that promoters find useful to help sell fights.
It's been reduced to promoters using it to "create" perceived accomplishments.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 14:30
by ewenhay
oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 16:41
Thomastearns wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 16:38
greg wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 15:00
..makes sense, it's all about unifying the belts and selling them later to the highest bidder..
It makes a lot of sense because we, in fact everyone, wants Joshua v Wilder too.
Meanwhile Fury's backers can buy time on how best to recoup their huge investment by protecting the 'exciting' Tyson Fury as much as possible.
In between moments of self doubt and possible heart attacks of course. Well, it all looked so good on paper...
I really feel the same way. Fury isn't a compelling watch if he's not fighting AJ or Wilder. Probably won't ever be. I still think the real danger in this deal is Fury falling back into old habits. He should've struck while the iron was hot (Wilder rematch).
Yeah that's my concern too. He needs to be motivated or he risks going off the rails again.
I thought he would go Wilder rematch then Joshua if he won against Wilder. Then retirement. I just don't see him as a fighter who will stick around for years.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 14:54
by Onetimeonly
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 14:20
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 14:17
The lineal title carries enough prestige to help market bouts and enhance their commercial worth.
Fighters like Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua simply captured their world championships by beating opponents that took vacant titles.
Tyson Fury can boast about being a part of heavyweight boxing’s historical lineage, when he became “man who beat the man”.
All-time-greats, such as: Wladimir Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson and Rocky Marciano once held the very same mythical lineal title.
You then compare these names to some of the guys who once held the WBO heavyweight title at some point:
• Joseph Parker
• Sultan Ibragimov
• Shannon Briggs
• Siarhei Liakhovich
• Lamon Brewster
• Corrie Sanders
• Chris Byrd
• Herbie Hide
• Henry Akinwande
• Michael Bentt
• Francesco Damiani
I’m not suggesting that the “lineal” title is the sport of boxing’s most prestigious championship, because it isn’t, but it’s definitely not “worthless”.
It’s an accomplishment that promoters find useful to help sell fights.
It's been reduced to promoters using it to "create" perceived accomplishments.
Yeah, it wouldn't contribute 1 dime to a promotion. Nobody was hedging on buying a fight in ppv or attending live and was swayed by a mythical title. "fornicate that fight it's $75 and I've never heard of them. What? It's for the lineal title? Hell, I can't miss it then!!!" It's just a clingy super nerd elitist fan thing to try and separate them from the rest of us nerds. It was just a cool title for history tracking. Jack Dempsey wasn't walking around calling himself lineal champion, he was the champ. I don't ever recall Holmes mentioning it when he dropped belts. Meaningless might be giving the title too much credit.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 14:57
by Onetimeonly
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 14:17
The lineal title carries enough prestige to help market bouts and enhance their commercial worth.
Fighters like Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua simply captured their world championships by beating opponents that took vacant titles.
Tyson Fury can boast about being a part of heavyweight boxing’s historical lineage, when he became “man who beat the man”.
All-time-greats, such as: Wladimir Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson and Rocky Marciano once held the very same mythical lineal title.
You then compare these names to some of the guys who once held the WBO heavyweight title at some point:
• Joseph Parker
• Sultan Ibragimov
• Shannon Briggs
• Siarhei Liakhovich
• Lamon Brewster
• Corrie Sanders
• Chris Byrd
• Herbie Hide
• Henry Akinwande
• Michael Bentt
• Francesco Damiani
I’m not suggesting that the “lineal” title is the sport of boxing’s most prestigious championship, because it isn’t, but it’s definitely not “worthless”.
It’s an accomplishment that promoters find useful to help sell fights.
Shannon Briggs was lineal champ. You're slipping, stop worrying so much about switching back and forth with accounts and do some fact checking!!!!
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 15:01
by candyslim
I agree. It's hard to argue that Fury has made a mistake in accepting the 80m deal, that's a lot of reasons to take it and it bestows great financial security, always assuming Fury hangs in there for the duration and doesn't go off the rails before he's delivered his half of the bargain.
I struggle to see how it's a good deal for Arum. That's quite some outlay to recoup and as has been mentioned already, how many opponents are there for Fury that are going to complement Tyson's style, and produce (AAA) an exciting spectacle - ahem, cough, cough and (BBB) generate a decent financial return on Arum's investment?
It sounds to me like a very tall order but I guess Arum hasn't got to where he he's at by f*cking up. How he makes it work might be more entertaining that what Fury does in the ring
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 15:03
by SenorPipino
There is no lineal heavyweight champion.
Fury renounced his claim to it when he retired.
Just because you return doesn't mean the mythical title is automatically strapped back around your waist.
You have to earn it back. Although no one holds it right now.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 16:04
by Enlightened-One
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 14:57
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 14:17
The lineal title carries enough prestige to help market bouts and enhance their commercial worth.
Fighters like Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua simply captured their world championships by beating opponents that took vacant titles.
Tyson Fury can boast about being a part of heavyweight boxing’s historical lineage, when he became “man who beat the man”.
All-time-greats, such as: Wladimir Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson and Rocky Marciano once held the very same mythical lineal title.
You then compare these names to some of the guys who once held the WBO heavyweight title at some point:
• Joseph Parker
• Sultan Ibragimov
• Shannon Briggs
• Siarhei Liakhovich
• Lamon Brewster
• Corrie Sanders
• Chris Byrd
• Herbie Hide
• Henry Akinwande
• Michael Bentt
• Francesco Damiani
I’m not suggesting that the “lineal” title is the sport of boxing’s most prestigious championship, because it isn’t, but it’s definitely not “worthless”.
It’s an accomplishment that promoters find useful to help sell fights.
Shannon Briggs was lineal champ. You're slipping, stop worrying so much about switching back and forth with accounts and do some fact checking!!!!
Exceptions don’t undermine the general rule. You already know this, but I know you won’t admit it.
It’s like pretending that just because Vasyl Lomachenko competed for a world title in only his second pro bout, that this happens regularly. It doesn’t, but you get the point I’m making.
It’s just plain dumb to cite exceptions and as the sole foundation of a counter argument.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 16:16
by Onetimeonly
I wasn't citing an exception. I was correcting your pathetic post.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 16:20
by oogiebe
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 16:16
I wasn't citing an exception. I was correcting your pathetic post.
Eolithe/EO/Verlichte/Et al, will never see your point nor his own deficiencies.
Re: Wilder wants Joshua before Fury
Posted: 04 Mar 2019, 19:06
by Enlightened-One
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 16:16
I wasn't citing an exception. I was correcting your pathetic post.
Please quote the sentence(s) in my post that was factually inaccurate.
Please explain the reason why you mentioned Shannon Briggs.