Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 20:38
by diddy
Cops do not have an easy job. They’re like a referee. People love to Monday morning QB when they aren’t there. It’s easy from the ivory tower. Most cops are good cops.
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 20:54
by Impractical Poster
Strange times we live in when we are calling for someone to get in trouble for defending himself from being killed. If given time to react in a non lethal way, maybe the outcome would have been different. But, this probably wasn't the case. I think some of you are picturing an officer knelt behind a car door yelling at this woman from afar to drop the knife. If you have never had a legitimate attack on your life before, who knows how you would react when the situation arises.
The woman was trying to kill him with a knife. The fact that she was mentally unstable makes the situation that much more critical.
Maybe I'm off on the situation. But, I know some of you already have a bias against law enforcement. So, it's easy to condemn a man before knowing the whole story.
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 20:55
by Impractical Poster
diddy wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 20:38
Cops do not have an easy job. They’re like a referee. People love to Monday morning QB when they aren’t there. It’s easy from the ivory tower. Most cops are good cops.
Blasphemy!
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 21:26
by Baby Face Finster
This scenario happens far too often. The exact same thing happened here in Toronto some years back where a mentally unstable young man on a public street car pulled out a knife and got shot by a cop even though he was no danger to anyone as the street car had been emptied. Police have tasers that can fire from a safe distance and that incapacitates the person but they always resort to the gun as the first course of action instead of using these alternative and non life threatening methods.
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 19:56
If a person is confronting a cop with a knife, she presents a threat on his life.
He's entitled to use deadly force. He can do what's neccesary to protect himself.
Why do so many support the assailant over the right of a cop to go home at night?
If you don't want an officer to use a gun on you, don't pose a threat to his life.
It seems so simple to me.
Police have a variety of tools at their disposal. Pepper spray; baton; Taser; pistol. If she had a gun, I'd understand the cop's actions, but he/she could've used taser or pepper spray on the 50 something year old woman. Give me a break.
A knife represents deadly force.
Just because the cop has a bigger, better weapon, doesn't make him wrong.
It makes him fortunate.
When an assailant is lunging at you gripping a knife, I don't think an officer has the time or the inclination to weigh options.
He does what he needs to do to save his own life and go home to family.
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 19:56
If a person is confronting a cop with a knife, she presents a threat on his life.
He's entitled to use deadly force. He can do what's neccesary to protect himself.
Why do so many support the assailant over the right of a cop to go home at night?
If you don't want an officer to use a gun on you, don't pose a threat to his life.
It seems so simple to me.
Police have a variety of tools at their disposal. Pepper spray; baton; Taser; pistol. If she had a gun, I'd understand the cop's actions, but he/she could've used taser or pepper spray on the 50 something year old woman. Give me a break.
A knife represents deadly force.
Just because the cop has a bigger, better weapon, doesn't make him wrong.
It makes him fortunate.
When an assailant is lunging at you gripping a knife, I don't think an officer has the time or the inclination to weigh options.
He does what he needs to do to save his own life and go home to family.
Are you saying a cop is less able to handle a 50+ year old woman with a knife than your average man who would use anything nearby to stop the woman save killing her?
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 01:06
by diddy
Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 21:26
This scenario happens far too often. The exact same thing happened here in Toronto some years back where a mentally unstable young man on a public street car pulled out a knife and got shot by a cop even though he was no danger to anyone as the street car had been emptied. Police have tasers that can fire from a safe distance and that incapacitates the person but they always resort to the gun as the first course of action instead of using these alternative and non life threatening methods.
THis is what I'm talking about. They "always" resort to the gun first? Dont be an ignorant MF. Just because you hear about a story where it goes to the gun being used doesnt mean they "always" use the gun first. If they always did that you'd be hearing about this crap every 8 seconds. Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of times a year cops have to disengage a situation that doesnt end in gun violence? Countless times. It just doesnt make the news. And this is what I'm talking about. When something catastrophic does happen, and its rare, people get on their soapbox. It's really annoying. Something sad happened. You werent there. Lets see someone come at you with a knife when you're at work and you just instinctually try to taser them before they end your life. You do realize the reaction time with the taser is longer and they may not actually be controlled by the tase before they KILL YOU?!
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 01:20
by jamamb
thats a good point, the stuff that makes the news is always the extreme attention grabbing stuff or politicazble stuff like the gentle giant getting shot, and it makes ppl overestimate howmuch it happens vs the mundine every day, less dramatic stuff
ppl are obsessed with death and outrage, thats y the routine following orders stuff doesnt make the news, instead its always who got killed today and who do we get angry at
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 19:56
If a person is confronting a cop with a knife, she presents a threat on his life.
He's entitled to use deadly force. He can do what's neccesary to protect himself.
Why do so many support the assailant over the right of a cop to go home at night?
If you don't want an officer to use a gun on you, don't pose a threat to his life.
It seems so simple to me.
Police have a variety of tools at their disposal. Pepper spray; baton; Taser; pistol. If she had a gun, I'd understand the cop's actions, but he/she could've used taser or pepper spray on the 50 something year old woman. Give me a break.
A knife represents deadly force.
Just because the cop has a bigger, better weapon, doesn't make him wrong.
It makes him fortunate.
When an assailant is lunging at you gripping a knife, I don't think an officer has the time or the inclination to weigh options.
He does what he needs to do to save his own life and go home to family.
Are you saying a cop is less able to handle a 50+ year old woman with a knife than your average man who would use anything nearby to stop the woman save killing her?
The fact that you label cops as being more likely to kill a woman than "your average man" only shows that you havent personally known many cops because most cops are average, ordinary people. Sounds like you are buying into the anti-police bullcrap that tries to stereotype cops as violent, misguided goons who are "looking for an excuse to kill innocent people".
You might even try to side with violent thugs like the guy in this video, who was actually stabbing people before the cops justifiably blew him away:
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
SenorPipino wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 19:56
If a person is confronting a cop with a knife, she presents a threat on his life.
He's entitled to use deadly force. He can do what's neccesary to protect himself.
Why do so many support the assailant over the right of a cop to go home at night?
If you don't want an officer to use a gun on you, don't pose a threat to his life.
It seems so simple to me.
Police have a variety of tools at their disposal. Pepper spray; baton; Taser; pistol. If she had a gun, I'd understand the cop's actions, but he/she could've used taser or pepper spray on the 50 something year old woman. Give me a break.
A knife represents deadly force.
Just because the cop has a bigger, better weapon, doesn't make him wrong.
It makes him fortunate.
When an assailant is lunging at you gripping a knife, I don't think an officer has the time or the inclination to weigh options.
He does what he needs to do to save his own life and go home to family.
Are you saying a cop is less able to handle a 50+ year old woman with a knife than your average man who would use anything nearby to stop the woman save killing her?
The fact that you label cops as being more likely to kill a woman than "your average man" only shows that you havent personally known many cops because most cops are average, ordinary people. Sounds like you are buying into the anti-police bullcrap that tries to stereotype cops as violent, misguided goons who are "looking for an excuse to kill innocent people".
You might even try to side with violent thugs like the guy in this video, who was actually stabbing people before the cops justifiably blew him away:
I live next door to a retired police officer and count my blessings.
I think most people's view on the police changes when they or their family are in desperate need of them.
A bit like their relationship with God.
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 22:41
by Cojimar 1946
I think there are lots of ways to handle a middle aged woman with a knife short of shooting her.
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 22:50
by sturm vogel
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑14 Mar 2019, 22:41
I think there are lots of ways to handle a middle aged woman with a knife short of shooting her.
Here here. Imagine, this is a forum of so-called fighting enthusiasts wherein some proclaim the gun the solution? Doesn't seem the words of fighters. What sort of men are these?
Re: Caleb Plant's Mother Shot and Killed By Deputy in Cheatham
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 00:11
by Best Coast
Those who are quick to bash the cops should take heed to the fact that Caleb Plant, the world champion fighter whose own mother was the one shot by a cop didnt bash the cops, but instead said his mother's "demons got the best of her". That's another way of saying his mom's extreme mental instability was what cost her life!!
“I know in the end it’s your demons we always talked abt that got the best of you.
Nowhere in the article does it substantiate the cop-basher's claim that "the first thing the cop did was shoot her". That is a kneejerk accusation that cop-bashers always say to try making the cops look like the villains. Standard police procedure always requires a cop to order the would-be assaulter to drop your weapon (whether that be a gun, knife or whatever) usually at least 3 times.
Here's a video interview of a retired cop explaining why an officer-involved fatal shooting he witnessed was necessary, not only to preserve the lives of the cops themselves but the lives of nearby civilians as well:
