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Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 11:37 I guess its become a complex subject. Take Magomed Abdusalamov for example. I wish his corner had that "live to fight another day" mindset when he fought Perez. The fight was very entertaining but at some point he was just taking a beating. The crowd was pleased to see him endure the punishment that night. Fight ended people moved on and forgot about the whole thing. The rest of his life changed. He did get a big settlement recently but the damage cant be reversed. Plus not everyone ending up in bad shape gets the same financial outcome.

The "screw the fans" mentality is justified IMO when you see how easy we forget guys like Gerald McLlelan and others. Its one thing to go for it when you have a chance in a competitive fight. Its a whole different situation when its lopsided and you're just taking punishment to make it entertaining. The fans short lived appreciation will not cover the toll it takes on your health.

Luckybattles wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 10:53

caldo2025 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 08:44 I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that there’s more intelligence out there and statistical data clearly showing where head trama comes from. The dangers of Boxing are known by these boxers fighting for the sports top purses. As a result, we’re seeing boxers having a tough choice between going all out for a win vs. finishing the fight with their health and mind intact.

Now we’ll see more boxers like Wlad. Wlad made his money and let it all hang out for his last bout to leave their mark. Imagine if Wlad fought like he did against AJ for his whole career? That would have been one heck of a career but would he be able to think and speak clearly 15 years from now? No. He took a beating and you can’t take many of those without being affected forever. So I think it’s just because we are all smarter these days.

Yeah. Or tim Bradley. 99% of his career is hardly worth watching except for the one time he decided it was time to give the fans something. That fight with provotnikov is one of the best of the past 10 years. But yeah, if he would have fought ever fight like that who knows where he would be. I guess if people are willing to pay $100 for Mayweather vs Pac,
Then boxing will simply drift into meaningless exhibitions

Best Coast wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 19:40

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 11:37 I guess its become a complex subject. Take Magomed Abdusalamov for example. I wish his corner had that "live to fight another day" mindset when he fought Perez. The fight was very entertaining but at some point he was just taking a beating. The crowd was pleased to see him endure the punishment that night. Fight ended people moved on and forgot about the whole thing. The rest of his life changed. He did get a big settlement recently but the damage cant be reversed. Plus not everyone ending up in bad shape gets the same financial outcome.

The "screw the fans" mentality is justified IMO when you see how easy we forget guys like Gerald McLlelan and others. Its one thing to go for it when you have a chance in a competitive fight. Its a whole different situation when its lopsided and you're just taking punishment to make it entertaining. The fans short lived appreciation will not cover the toll it takes on your health.

Great insight amigo. The traditional boxing slogan "Live to fight another day" is usually made by a boxer's corner men when they are about to stop a fight that has reached the point where their fighter is either going to lose his life, end up paralyzed or in a vegetative state like Abdusalamov. They usually stop that fight right after saying that and that rationale justifies the stoppage because their guy can literally leave the ring healthy enough to fight again.

Lucky tried to use that slogan in a new context, so I'm glad you brought that often-used slogan back to its original meaning.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 21:16

Best Coast wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 19:40

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 11:37 I guess its become a complex subject. Take Magomed Abdusalamov for example. I wish his corner had that "live to fight another day" mindset when he fought Perez. The fight was very entertaining but at some point he was just taking a beating. The crowd was pleased to see him endure the punishment that night. Fight ended people moved on and forgot about the whole thing. The rest of his life changed. He did get a big settlement recently but the damage cant be reversed. Plus not everyone ending up in bad shape gets the same financial outcome.

The "screw the fans" mentality is justified IMO when you see how easy we forget guys like Gerald McLlelan and others. Its one thing to go for it when you have a chance in a competitive fight. Its a whole different situation when its lopsided and you're just taking punishment to make it entertaining. The fans short lived appreciation will not cover the toll it takes on your health.

Great insight amigo. The traditional boxing slogan "Live to fight another day" is usually made by a boxer's corner men when they are about to stop a fight that has reached the point where their fighter is either going to lose his life, end up paralyzed or in a vegetative state like Abdusalamov. They usually stop that fight right after saying that and that rationale justifies the stoppage because their guy can literally leave the ring healthy enough to fight again.

Lucky tried to use that slogan in a new context, so I'm glad you brought that often-used slogan back to its original meaning.

I’d actually like to see these Boxing Commissions putting more pressure on Head Trainers to throw the towel more.

this can easily hinder their willingness to stop their guy's fight.

It reminds of an NFL incident that summed up how this can happen in any contact sport. The Steelers were playing the last regular season game of the season about 5 years ago. They had already sealed their seeding for the playoffs and so the game was meaningless. But Coach Mike Tomlin left QB Big Ben in the game too long and he ended up getting injured late in the game. Reporters asked Tomlin post-game why he left Ben in too long in a meaningless game and he answered "My adrenaline got the best of me!!"

Just goes to show you that even coaches/trainers get their adrenaline pumping enough to make bad decisions in the heat of battle!!

Best Coast wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 23:05

caldo2025 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 21:16

Best Coast wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 19:40

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 11:37 I guess its become a complex subject. Take Magomed Abdusalamov for example. I wish his corner had that "live to fight another day" mindset when he fought Perez. The fight was very entertaining but at some point he was just taking a beating. The crowd was pleased to see him endure the punishment that night. Fight ended people moved on and forgot about the whole thing. The rest of his life changed. He did get a big settlement recently but the damage cant be reversed. Plus not everyone ending up in bad shape gets the same financial outcome.

The "screw the fans" mentality is justified IMO when you see how easy we forget guys like Gerald McLlelan and others. Its one thing to go for it when you have a chance in a competitive fight. Its a whole different situation when its lopsided and you're just taking punishment to make it entertaining. The fans short lived appreciation will not cover the toll it takes on your health.

Great insight amigo. The traditional boxing slogan "Live to fight another day" is usually made by a boxer's corner men when they are about to stop a fight that has reached the point where their fighter is either going to lose his life, end up paralyzed or in a vegetative state like Abdusalamov. They usually stop that fight right after saying that and that rationale justifies the stoppage because their guy can literally leave the ring healthy enough to fight again.

Lucky tried to use that slogan in a new context, so I'm glad you brought that often-used slogan back to its original meaning.

I’d actually like to see these Boxing Commissions putting more pressure on Head Trainers to throw the towel more.

I agree with you amigo. One thing that most of us forget or fail to realize is that in the heat of a fight a boxer is not the only whose adrenaline is pumping. The cornermen also get their testosterone levels bumping too and this can easily hinder their willingness to stop their guy's fight.

It reminds of an NFL incident that summed up how this can happen in any contact sport. The Steelers were playing the last regular season game of the season about 5 years ago. They had already sealed their seeding for the playoffs and so the game was meaningless. But Coach Mike Tomlin left QB Big Ben in the game too long and he ended up getting injured late in the game. Reporters asked Tomlin post-game why he left Ben in too long in a meaningless game and he answered "My adrenaline got the best of me!!"

Just goes to show you that even coaches/trainers get their adrenaline pumping enough to make bad decisions in the heat of battle!!

Best Coast wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 23:05

caldo2025 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 21:16

Best Coast wrote: ↑28 Mar 2019, 19:40

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 11:37 I guess its become a complex subject. Take Magomed Abdusalamov for example. I wish his corner had that "live to fight another day" mindset when he fought Perez. The fight was very entertaining but at some point he was just taking a beating. The crowd was pleased to see him endure the punishment that night. Fight ended people moved on and forgot about the whole thing. The rest of his life changed. He did get a big settlement recently but the damage cant be reversed. Plus not everyone ending up in bad shape gets the same financial outcome.

The "screw the fans" mentality is justified IMO when you see how easy we forget guys like Gerald McLlelan and others. Its one thing to go for it when you have a chance in a competitive fight. Its a whole different situation when its lopsided and you're just taking punishment to make it entertaining. The fans short lived appreciation will not cover the toll it takes on your health.

Great insight amigo. The traditional boxing slogan "Live to fight another day" is usually made by a boxer's corner men when they are about to stop a fight that has reached the point where their fighter is either going to lose his life, end up paralyzed or in a vegetative state like Abdusalamov. They usually stop that fight right after saying that and that rationale justifies the stoppage because their guy can literally leave the ring healthy enough to fight again.

Lucky tried to use that slogan in a new context, so I'm glad you brought that often-used slogan back to its original meaning.

I’d actually like to see these Boxing Commissions putting more pressure on Head Trainers to throw the towel more.

I agree with you amigo. One thing that most of us forget or fail to realize is that in the heat of a fight a boxer is not the only whose adrenaline is pumping. The cornermen also get their testosterone levels bumping too and this can easily hinder their willingness to stop their guy's fight.

It reminds of an NFL incident that summed up how this can happen in any contact sport. The Steelers were playing the last regular season game of the season about 5 years ago. They had already sealed their seeding for the playoffs and so the game was meaningless. But Coach Mike Tomlin left QB Big Ben in the game too long and he ended up getting injured late in the game. Reporters asked Tomlin post-game why he left Ben in too long in a meaningless game and he answered "My adrenaline got the best of me!!"

Just goes to show you that even coaches/trainers get their adrenaline pumping enough to make bad decisions in the heat of battle!!