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oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 18:01

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 17:59 It’s far too early to mention Efe Ajagba in the same sentence as many of the guys listed in this poll. He still has a lot to learn.

There’s a possibility that, with an extra year’s worth of experience under his belt, he may be capable of beating the current iterations of the extremely negative minded Robert Helenius and the seemingly shot Bryant Jennings.

I wouldn’t want a raw novice like Ajagba to share the ring with any of the other guys during the current calendar year.

Ajagba’s opposition in the pro ranks has been terrible in comparison to the names listed in this poll, with the Nigerian’s credibility undermined further by only having eight bouts in the amateur ranks, coupled with looking like a clumsy street brawler when he got dominated by Ivan Dychko.

Don’t buy into the hype just yet until he achieves something impressive. Let’s refrain from prematurely granting him an honorary rite of passage to being considered as a top-ten world-rated heavyweight without even requiring the need for validation.

Do you ever actually read any other posts before posting your novels?

I only read the first post in this thread and its corresponding poll. I didn't review all the other posts that were subsequently submitted.

Apologies for initially missing your comments, since I only read the post of the person who created this thread, but I do co-sign on your sentiments and agree with them wholeheartedly:

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 15:55You won't find a bigger Efe fan than me, but this isn't a decent exercise for Ajagba. I don't think he's shown enough to compare to most of those on this list. They are all several levels above his past opponents. Sorry.

I'm glad that we agree on this.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 18:04

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 18:01

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 17:59 It’s far too early to mention Efe Ajagba in the same sentence as many of the guys listed in this poll. He still has a lot to learn.

There’s a possibility that, with an extra year’s worth of experience under his belt, he may be capable of beating the current iterations of the extremely negative minded Robert Helenius and the seemingly shot Bryant Jennings.

I wouldn’t want a raw novice like Ajagba to share the ring with any of the other guys during the current calendar year.

Ajagba’s opposition in the pro ranks has been terrible in comparison to the names listed in this poll, with the Nigerian’s credibility undermined further by only having eight bouts in the amateur ranks, coupled with looking like a clumsy street brawler when he got dominated by Ivan Dychko.

Don’t buy into the hype just yet until he achieves something impressive. Let’s refrain from prematurely granting him an honorary rite of passage to being considered as a top-ten world-rated heavyweight without even requiring the need for validation.

Do you ever actually read any other posts before posting your novels?

I only read the first post in this thread and its corresponding poll. I didn't review all the other posts that were subsequently submitted.

Apologies for initially missing your comments, but I do co-sign on your sentiments and agree with them wholeheartedly:

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 15:55You won't find a bigger Efe fan than me, but this isn't a decent exercise for Ajagba. I don't think he's shown enough to compare to most of those on this list. They are all several levels above his past opponents. Sorry.

I'm glad that we agree on this.

LOL! Go figure!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 17:59 It’s far too early to mention Efe Ajagba in the same sentence as many of the guys listed in this poll. He still has a lot to learn.

There’s a possibility that, with an extra year’s worth of experience under his belt, he may be capable of beating the current iterations of the extremely negative minded Robert Helenius and the seemingly shot Bryant Jennings.

I wouldn’t want a raw novice like Ajagba to share the ring with any of the other guys during the current calendar year.

Ajagba’s opposition in the pro ranks has been terrible in comparison to the names listed in this poll, with the Nigerian’s credibility undermined further by only having eight bouts in the amateur ranks, coupled with looking like a clumsy street brawler when he got dominated by Ivan Dychko.

Don’t buy into the hype just yet until he achieves something impressive. Let’s refrain from prematurely granting him an honorary rite of passage to being considered as a top-ten world-rated heavyweight without even requiring the need for validation.

Thanks God you are not Efe Ajaba's manager or promoter. You wouldn't put him in any major fight with top 10 fighter until year 2022

Boxtune wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 18:10

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 17:59 It’s far too early to mention Efe Ajagba in the same sentence as many of the guys listed in this poll. He still has a lot to learn.

There’s a possibility that, with an extra year’s worth of experience under his belt, he may be capable of beating the current iterations of the extremely negative minded Robert Helenius and the seemingly shot Bryant Jennings.

I wouldn’t want a raw novice like Ajagba to share the ring with any of the other guys during the current calendar year.

Ajagba’s opposition in the pro ranks has been terrible in comparison to the names listed in this poll, with the Nigerian’s credibility undermined further by only having eight bouts in the amateur ranks, coupled with looking like a clumsy street brawler when he got dominated by Ivan Dychko.

Don’t buy into the hype just yet until he achieves something impressive. Let’s refrain from prematurely granting him an honorary rite of passage to being considered as a top-ten world-rated heavyweight without even requiring the need for validation.

Thanks God you are not Efe Ajaba's manager or promoter. You wouldn't put him in any major fight with top 10 fighter until year 2022

We seriously might have to wait until 2022 until he eventually faces anybody half-decent.

Just take a quick look at his fellow Al Haymon stablemate’s resume, Deontay Wilder, and you’ll surely appreciate the reason why this may be a distinct possibility.

I think he could beat Chisora, Breazeale, and Jennings right now.

It shows all heawyweights sucks today, including top 3 wilder, joushua, fury.

Prime lewis and any prime klitchko will murder all of them.

Agreed on Lewis. Vitali never beat anyone near that quality. Wlad would lose to at least 1 of the 3.

I don't think he'd beat Parker, Joyce or Miller.

Verdi wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 08:40 I don't think he'd beat Parker, Joyce or Miller.

Miller is a fat slow big with good chin and power .. with joushua you will see miller will fold under 6 rounds or less. Opponents miller fought had no punching power / no stamina / slow. Miller will gas out fast.

But i agree on parker and joyce.

Again, I love Efe, but this is an exercise in futility at this point. A couple or three more fights and we can revisit this thread.

Parker is a big name in terms of the resume, but he sucks so much for the level of the World champion, whom he has been not so long ago. Parker will be most likely cautious and outboxed from the distance in Joshua bout style.

Hughie will most likely be outboxed. He's pretty clumsy and not confident in every big fight.

Chisora will be a one of the hardest bouts. He's too inconsistent. In his Helenius and Whyte bout #1 versions he was very good. But his Kabayel bout version will be outboxed and maybe even caught, KOed.

Jennings can look relatively decent in this matchup, but he'll fall after the first taken bomb. And he isn't very good in avoiding it.

Breazeale is a one of the toughest challenges. He's big, strong and gutsy. Even if he is being outboxed and battered, he can pull out a KO. Now he's more experiened and proven at the higher level, I'd pick Breazeale right now.

Miller is also more experiened and proven at the higher level, but he's too sluggish, if Efe will have enough gas in the tank to keep him away for all the distance, he's likely to outbox Miller. A close call.

Joyce is clumsy and widely opened brawler, he will be outboxed and KOed.

Rivas will probably be outboxed, but he is always dangerous. A 50/50 fight for me, cause we haven't seen Efe dealing with such challenges. Well, Rivas' resume isn't filled with super big names either, but I'd say, recent Jennings was better, than recent Mansour.

Kownacki is a bit similar to Miller, but I see Kownacki's volume delivering as a better one. Boxers of Ajagba size and fighting style should outbox and batter different kownackies, but for the moment Efe can be not enough ready.

Helenius is a one of the toughest challenges, if he's ready. He's big and he can use it, he can box and punch. Right now Helenius can score this fight for him.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 11:02 Again, I love Efe, but this is an exercise in futility at this point. A couple or three more fights and we can revisit this thread.

Agreed.

Ajagba is pretty much a professional novice. Only 8 fights against the usual beginner opposition.

Mansour was a step up but no one expected him to win because he was apparently sliding and quite old. Brought in as a semi-name, but who was really just an opponent.

Talking about Ajagba against seasoned, veteran top 10 fighters really doesn't make sense at this time.

He might catch a couple of them with his prodigious power and get a knockout, but the likely outcome is that he would be thoroughly outboxed.

And how does he handle the pacing of a competitive 10 round bout where he would likely need to go rounds for the first time?

Where he needed more than just power to overcome a fighter.

Foreman was gassed and fortunate to gain a decision against capable but undersized Peralta in his first real test.

Ajagba figures to struggle too under the same circumstances, especially if he's thrown in far too soon.

Lewis lost in his prime to Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall. The notion that he couldn't lose to Joshua and Wilder when he actually lost in real life to McCall and Rahman is frankly ridiculous. If he was at 100% for every fight he might win them all but he frequently underestimated opponents and underperfomed in key fights.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2019, 14:46 Lewis lost in his prime to Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall. The notion that he couldn't lose to Joshua and Wilder when he actually lost in real life to McCall and Rahman is frankly ridiculous. If he was at 100% for every fight he might win them all but he frequently underestimated opponents and underperfomed in key fights.

Those types of comps are always with the best of that particular fighter. I'd bet more heavily on Lewis vs Joshua or Wilder, but anyone can certainly lose.