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Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 18:59 Unlikely, but possible. What's your point?

Of everyone Spence could possibly fight for PBC, they would pick Lipinets instead of going out on a limb and taking a risk with Crawford. If you're not in boxing to fight the best, what are you in it for?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 19:26 Of everyone Spence could possibly fight for PBC, they would pick Lipinets instead of going out on a limb and taking a risk with Crawford. If you're not in boxing to fight the best, what are you in it for?

Um...money?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 19:26 Of everyone Spence could possibly fight for PBC, they would pick Lipinets instead of going out on a limb and taking a risk with Crawford. If you're not in boxing to fight the best, what are you in it for?

Spence would fight him in a second. That's not how it works these days. Surely you already know that? What does that have to do with postal?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 19:26 Of everyone Spence could possibly fight for PBC, they would pick Lipinets instead of going out on a limb and taking a risk with Crawford. If you're not in boxing to fight the best, what are you in it for?

You know, most money at the least risk.

It's not a secret.

Being in boxing to "fight the best only" sounds gutsy and noble but it's hardly reality.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 13:51 50/50 split if it were to happen at the moment. It won't, and there won't even be serious talks at any point. Spence has options. Plenty of them. Crawford has none. Spence will inevitably be the bigger star of the two because he has bigger names to build himself into a bigger star against.

You are exactly right. Spence has more options but a 50/50 split would be more realistic because tight-fisted Bob Arum wouldnt let Crawford settle for less!

Best Coast wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 20:12 You are exactly right. Spence has more options but a 50/50 split would be more realistic because tight-fisted Bob Arum wouldnt let Crawford settle for less!

That doesn't make Arum tight fisted.

A promoter is supposed to look out for his fighter's best interest.

And if it helps him too, all the better.

52 Crawford 48 Spence
Based off hype and reach that is brought to the table.

Ok then Spence would build up his name and stocks by fighting his stable mates like Porter, D. Garcia, Vargas and maybe Sometime Thurman. If he wins these fights, then he's the one who will call the shots and be the clearly A side.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 17:01 He's definitely not fighting Crawford anytime soon. Lipinets is another good fighter.

But when M. Garcia fought Lipinets, people were thrashing him.

Errol Spence Jr. deserves the bigger split. He doesn’t really need to fight Terence Crawford either, since the vast majority of the world-rated 147lb-ers are fellow PBC stablemates.

DAZN are in a similar position to ESPN, in regard to the welterweight division, which means we may see Crawford face someone like Kell Brook or Maurice Hooker next, but the American is quickly running out of credible opponents.

Bob Arum is currently being forced to work with Eddie Hearn (and in the future, perhaps other rival content providers), in order to keep Terence busy against half-decent opposition.

And to be honest, it’s going to take another twelve months or so for demand for the Crawford-Spence Jr. fight to marinate and become commercially viable for Top Rank to consider sharing the profits of this event with the PBC.

There is the possibility that Terence Crawford’s career could stagnate, if Bob Arum allows Bud’s future bouts to closely resemble the calibre of fighters faced by Top Ranks’ Gilberto Ramirez, which would ultimately scupper the prospect for us to witness the WBO champ engaging in a title unification bout against Errol Spence Jr. People will eventually lose interest.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Apr 2019, 04:53 But when M. Garcia fought Lipinets, people were thrashing him.

Yeah they were, I wasn't one of them. I liked that fight the whole time and it was a good one.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑28 Apr 2019, 20:18 That doesn't make Arum tight fisted.

A promoter is supposed to look out for his fighter's best interest.

And if it helps him too, all the better.

Being a cheapskate with your fighter's opponent during negotiations is tight-fisted. When did I say anything about Arum being tight-fisted with his fighter Crawford?

Best Coast wrote: ↑29 Apr 2019, 22:49 Being a cheapskate with your fighter's opponent during negotiations is tight-fisted. When did I say anything about Arum being tight-fisted with his fighter Crawford?

You described him as "tight-fisted Bob Arum." That sounds pretty general, not specific.

I would assume all promoters are tight fisted if they're smart businessmen.

The guys who are overly free with the bucks usually fade away. Explains why King has also lasted so long.

And why should Arum, or any other promoter, worry about the opponent's split?

Arum is only concerned about advocating the desired cut of revenue for his guy.

Let the opponent's promoter concern himself with his own fighter's share.

Best Coast wrote: ↑29 Apr 2019, 22:49 Being a cheapskate with your fighter's opponent during negotiations is tight-fisted. When did I say anything about Arum being tight-fisted with his fighter Crawford?

Like what Hayman would do with Crawford? Oh yeah, Haymon wouldn't even enter negotiations.

This Promotion crap is stupid. This is the reason UFC is winning over boxing because the fans usually get what they want. Then we, the boxing fans makes excuses for fighters not fighting each other and accept this crap.

Sources have told the Los Angeles Times that Crawford-Khan attracted a dismal 150,000 buys in the US.

That low number is on par with relatively recent fights such as Ward-Kovalev and Golovkin-Lemieux. It would be slightly behind Golovkin-Jacobs.

If the figure is accurate, it's bad news for Crawford and Arum in seeking financial parity with Spence.

And it gives Spence sound reason to ignore Crawford and concentrate instead on cleaning out his PBC welterweight stable.

When it comes to PPV, Crawford has shown that he's definitely not an attraction. His fight a few years back with capable Postol was in the 60,000 buys range.

Spence is firmly in the driver's seat when it comes to any negotiations, and it makes it appear unlikely that a bout with Crawford will materialize anytime soon.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑30 Apr 2019, 14:55 Sources have told the Los Angeles Times that Crawford-Khan attracted a dismal 150,000 buys in the US.

That low number is on par with relatively recent fights such as Ward-Kovalev and Golovkin-Lemieux. It would be slightly behind Golovkin-Jacobs.

If the figure is accurate, it's bad news for Crawford and Arum in seeking financial parity with Spence.

And it gives Spence sound reason to ignore Crawford and concentrate instead on cleaning out his PBC welterweight stable.

When it comes to PPV, Crawford has shown that he's definitely not an attraction. His fight a few years back with capable Postol was in the 60,000 buys range.

Spence is firmly in the driver's seat when it comes to any negotiations, and it makes it appear unlikely that a bout with Crawford will materialize anytime soon.

Not only bad for Crawford. But damn it should be humbling for Khan who truly believes he's a huge ppv star

tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 Apr 2019, 15:32 Not only bad for Crawford. But damn it should be humbling for Khan who truly believes he's a huge ppv star

true

Crawford is the bigger personality and the better boxer. Spence is a pure beast though so it's a really interesting fight!

They both make the fight as big as it is so why not just split the dough down the middle?

Stuarty wrote: ↑30 Apr 2019, 19:49 They both make the fight as big as it is so why not just split the dough down the middle?

Exactly this is a 50/50 fight if ever I saw one.

Thankfully we haven't had many of these types of threads lately. They took the forum over for a while.

Forget who the bigger draw is. Let them fight and the winner get the bigger split. Maybe do what UFC does and provide KO of the night.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑01 May 2019, 17:32 Forget who the bigger draw is. Let them fight and the winner get the bigger split. Maybe do what UFC does and provide KO of the night.

This!

this is a creamy wet dream of a fight, too bad it will prob never happen

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑01 May 2019, 17:32 Forget who the bigger draw is. Let them fight and the winner get the bigger split. Maybe do what UFC does and provide KO of the night.

Neither guy's promoter would agree to it.

It's not how it's done.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 May 2019, 17:05 Neither guy's promoter would agree to it.

It's not how it's done.

And that's the problem and the reason why UFC is dominating because their fans wouldn't accept that as an excuse. Can you imagine, "Mcgregor can't fight Khabib because they can't agree on the split?" We as boxing fans should not accept this.