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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 08:35
by jamamb
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 08:27
True. He could have been KO’d cold the very next round then the people would still be giving the ref shït saying he should have stopped it after the first
ya that never happened, ppl also may not have said that at all. ceja also may have recovered enough with the break, hes gotten up to win before. of course we never got to know because mora stopped it even though the round was done
i thhink clearly he shouldve been given the chance, and if hes not showing anything in the 9th or cant get up off his stool etc...stop it then. rigo himself has been dropped or hurt several times to get up and win too
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 08:41
by Onetimeonly
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 08:27
True. He could have been KO’d cold the very next round then the people would still be giving the ref shït saying he should have stopped it after the first
I happened to be taking a piss when it happened. I came out and said to my buddy damn that dude is fucked up. He was all over the place. I wouldn't be against giving him the minute, but he sure wasn't robbed. He needed help to move.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 09:34
by Ruthless-RKO
Rigondeaux: I Wanted To Show Critics I Can Fight at Short Distance
“People were saying that I get on the bicycle and run a lot,’’ Rigondeaux said. “Well that’s not true so I wanted to show them I could fight in short distance and I wanted to get a couple of rounds in. Then that left hand came and ended the fight.”
Rigondeaux’s punch landed cleanly, sending Ceja backwards on the seat of his pants. He got up to beat the count, but referee Russell Moore took one look into Ceja’s eyes, which were crossed, and waved off the fight to give Rigondeaux a thrilling victory.
"I knew I was going to catch him with the left, but it wasn't there in the beginning. I knew in the later rounds that I could use it and actually catch him. We practiced that every day and it paid off," Rigondeaux said.
With the win Rigondeaux gets a chance to climb back into the championship ranks. He is in line to fight the winner of the WBC super bantamweight title match between Rey Vargas and Tomoki Kameda.
Ceja rocked Rigondeaux with a pinpoint four-punch combination to the head in the sixth round. But Rigondeaux recovered quickly and fired his own combination. The back-and-forth action was so fierce that Moore took away a point from both Rigondeaux and Ceja for low blows during an exchange in the seventh round.
"I gave this 100 percent. I want to thank my opponent and especially want to thank my trainer Ronnie Shields. We worked extremely hard for this and we got the victory,’’ Rigondeaux said.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 10:57
by diddy
Rigo was down on all cards heading into round 8. Even with the KD in that round he would’ve been trailing by a point on 2 of the cards moving into round 9. What a shame. Ref robbed Ceja of a chance at victory.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 13:42
by boxing_rocks
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 15:18
by squiggy
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 07:46
He wasnt clearly ready to continue. He could barely walk when offering protest. Didn't look like he knew where he was.
He did the things he was supposed to do to respond to the ref. Looked at him, nodded, stepped forward, raised his gloves.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 15:25
by Onetimeonly
squiggy wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 15:18
He did the things he was supposed to do to respond to the ref. Looked at him, nodded, stepped forward, raised his gloves.
He was stumbling all over the ring after they stopped it. I'm all for giving him the minute, just not feeling the robbery when he needed help to walk.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 17:43
by squiggy
I don't think that's accurate. I think he got up, stumbled backward, then moved toward the ref, nodded and raised his gloves, and then stood there incredulously after being waved off. The fact that someone came over and led him back to his corner doesnt mean he "needed help walking." Maybe he was just pissed off, like a batter who lingers at the plate after a borderline strike 3 call.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 17:49
by Onetimeonly
That's what I saw first. He was trying to argue with the ref and he was incredibly unstable with a puzzled look on his face. He definitely needed help walking.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 17:56
by oogiebe
Ceja was seriously hurt. It was no robbery or controversy, I posted on another thread that I thought with the round ending I may have let it continue.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 17:59
by jamamb
oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 17:56
Ceja was seriously hurt. It was no robbery or controversy, I posted on another thread that I thought with the round ending I may have let it continue.
STOPPED??!!!! What kind of bull is that?!
it was of course a controversy. dude was winning the fight, there was no time left in the round, dude beat the count and did as instructed,. give the guy the 9th and see what happens. jump in then if he cant defend. hes won before after getting dropped hard
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 18:02
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 17:59
STOPPED??!!!! What kind of bull is that?!
it was of course a controversy. dude was winning the fight, there was no time left in the round, dude beat the count and did as instructed,. give the guy the 9th and see what happens. jump in then if he cant defend. hes won before after getting dropped hard
What did I post that necessitated such a stern response? I said I would have let it go on.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 18:04
by jamamb
lol what was so stern? that bold bit is your own post from yesterday, just surprised to see you now saying no controversy
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 18:08
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 18:04
lol what was so stern? that bold bit is your own post from yesterday, just surprised to see you now saying no controversy
If my memory serves, I said that it may have been stopped prematurely, just like today. My first reaction was more severe, you're right, but that was in the heat of the moment. Upon watching the replay, (and soon after the initial stoppage) it's clear that Ceja didn't have his wits at the end, but again,, I would have let it go on into the next round. Anything else? Gadfly?
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 18:25
by squiggy
Thinking about it, I don't think there's any reason to suspect corruption to help out Guillermo freakin' Rigondeaux, who basically no one likes. Much of a hard-luck guy as he's always been, it's actually kind of karmic to see him catch a break. To see someone like Canelo win on that stoppage would be aggravating.
And one thing you'll never see is one of the Canelos of the world *lose* on a stoppage like that. Stumble backward for like a quarter of a second, then catch yourself, only to find about a second later that you've been judged unfit to go on? If Ceja was a big money-maker that ref would've manufactured a good thirty seconds worth of get-the-doctor-to-look-at-him, oh-I-think-his-glove-needs-taping-now time to help him recover.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 18:40
by Onetimeonly
He was still stumbling 30 seconds later. Though he should have been on a stool. Nothing corrupt about it.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 18:47
by oogiebe
squiggy wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 18:25
Thinking about it, I don't think there's any reason to suspect corruption to help out Guillermo freakin' Rigondeaux, who basically no one likes. Much of a hard-luck guy as he's always been, it's actually kind of karmic to see him catch a break. To see someone like Canelo win on that stoppage would be aggravating.
And one thing you'll never see is one of the Canelos of the world *lose* on a stoppage like that. Stumble backward for like a quarter of a second, then catch yourself, only to find about a second later that you've been judged unfit to go on? If Ceja was a big money-maker that ref would've manufactured a good thirty seconds worth of get-the-doctor-to-look-at-him, oh-I-think-his-glove-needs-taping-now time to help him recover.
AJ was a moneymaker and no one helped him.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 19:04
by jamamb
oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 18:47
AJ was a moneymaker and no one helped him.
thought he got dat long count
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 24 Jun 2019, 19:05
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 19:04
thought he got dat long count
He did but it didn't' help him, now did it. I knew you'd jump on that one.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 25 Jun 2019, 15:01
by gilgamesh
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 07:46
He wasnt clearly ready to continue. He could barely walk when offering protest. Didn't look like he knew where he was.
The count was 6. How about giving him the extra 2 or 3 seconds, and then asking him to step forward?
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 25 Jun 2019, 15:02
by jamamb
i watched again,.....didnt see him stumbling around. he sort of just stood there....couldve been cus he was shakey, but also maybe was sort of just in stun at all of a sudden the fight being over
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 25 Jun 2019, 15:03
by gilgamesh
squiggy wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 15:18
He did the things he was supposed to do to respond to the ref. Looked at him, nodded, stepped forward, raised his gloves.
Plus the round was basically over, and he was winning the fight.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 25 Jun 2019, 15:09
by gilgamesh
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 09:34
Rigondeaux: I Wanted To Show Critics I Can Fight at Short Distance
“People were saying that I get on the bicycle and run a lot,’’ Rigondeaux said.
“Well that’s not true so I wanted to show them I could fight in short distance and I wanted to get a couple of rounds in. Then that left hand came and ended the fight.”
Rigondeaux’s punch landed cleanly, sending Ceja backwards on the seat of his pants. He got up to beat the count, but referee Russell Moore took one look into Ceja’s eyes, which were crossed, and waved off the fight to give Rigondeaux a thrilling victory.
"I knew I was going to catch him with the left, but it wasn't there in the beginning. I knew in the later rounds that I could use it and actually catch him. We practiced that every day and it paid off," Rigondeaux said.
With the win Rigondeaux gets a chance to climb back into the championship ranks. He is in line to fight the winner of the WBC super bantamweight title match between Rey Vargas and Tomoki Kameda.
Ceja rocked Rigondeaux with a pinpoint four-punch combination to the head in the sixth round. But Rigondeaux recovered quickly and fired his own combination. The back-and-forth action was so fierce that Moore took away a point from both Rigondeaux and Ceja for low blows during an exchange in the seventh round.
"I gave this 100 percent. I want to thank my opponent and especially want to thank my trainer Ronnie Shields. We worked extremely hard for this and we got the victory,’’ Rigondeaux said.
Make no mistake about it. He fought the way he did because he had to. He didn't move around the ring, and use the style he's known for because he's no longer capable. He's 38 which for a Jr. Featherweight might as well be 46.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 25 Jun 2019, 16:14
by Onetimeonly
gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Jun 2019, 15:01
The count was 6. How about giving him the extra 2 or 3 seconds, and then asking him to step forward?
He was extremely wobbly well after the stoppage and his eyes looked like he just smoked 20 bong hits.
Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Julio Ceja - June 23, 2019
Posted: 25 Jun 2019, 16:14
by gilgamesh
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Jun 2019, 16:14
He was extremely wobbly well after the stoppage and his eyes looked like he just smoked 20 bong hits.
The round was almost over. He was winning the fight. He had 1 minute between rounds to recover. He might not have, but he deserved that time.