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Now let's look at some of the losses of these men of various heights, and see who they lost to & more importantly how tall those opponents were.

Szpilka & Takam & Jennings & are the best known of the heavyweights of the 6'3" group, basically, and between their combined 11 losses they lost to Deontay Wilder (6'7"), Anthony Joshua (6'6"), Joseph Parker (6'4"), Wladimir Klitschko (6'7"), Luis Ortiz (6'4").

Samuel Peter & Andy Ruiz, of the 6'2" grouping, lost to Joseph Parker (6'4"), Wladimir Klitschko (6'7"), Kubrat Pulev (6'5"), Robert Helenius (6'7").

Chisora & Adamek, of the 6'1" grouping, lost to the likes of Tyson Fury (6'9"), Vitali Klitschko (6'8"), Dillian Whyte (6'4"), Robert Helenius (6'7"), Eric Molina (6'4").

Rudenko, of the 6'0" grouping, lost to two men over 6'4" who were Hughie Fury (6'6") & Lucas Browne (6'5").

Dawejko, best known of the 5'11" & Under grouping, has lost to Charles Martin (6'5") & Sergey Kuzmin (6'4").

These men also had losses to men between 6'0"-6'3", so context has to be considered. No offense to many, but they are primarily hard fought journeymen or fringe contenders.

Maybe a more in depth analysis would be "Who is the tallest man these men have actually beaten?", but I would imagine that boils down to them facing mediocre tall men rather than legitimate athlete's who were/are in the running for titles.

those guys also have many losses vs 'shorter' hws and also a number of those losses to taller hws were when the shorter guy was seriously past prime

i do think heights a bit of an advantage though, and you can see the shorter guys today in their peaks did lose to taller opponents at hw. also you have to consider that guys with significant height advantages at hw also tend to be just naturally bigger., not only in height but frame and build. at lower weights guys actually have to make a limit and so it can help to reduce how much naturally bigger one guy can be then the other

btw, in terms of absolute height, i would bet that most of these guys are not quite as tall as listed. that may apply all around so it wouldnt change the difference between fighters, but defo i do not believe that most hws are actually tall as listed. height inflation is super rampant in sports

i know a guy who met a few hws during a week in vegas, and he said that sam peter is more like 5'11 and that joe parker was 6'3 at absolute tops

jamamb wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 13:54 btw, in terms of absolute height, i would bet that most of these guys are not quite as tall as listed. that may apply all around so it wouldnt change the difference between fighters, but defo i do not believe that most hws are actually tall as listed. height inflation is super rampant in sports

i know a guy who met a few hws during a week in vegas, and he said that sam peter is more like 5'11 and that joe parker was 6'3 at absolute tops

Its strange, Paul Williams was clearly taller than pavlik. The best was Barkley at 6'8, he's 6'2 or 3.

jamamb wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 13:54 btw, in terms of absolute height, i would bet that most of these guys are not quite as tall as listed. that may apply all around so it wouldnt change the difference between fighters, but defo i do not believe that most hws are actually tall as listed. height inflation is super rampant in sports

i know a guy who met a few hws during a week in vegas, and he said that sam peter is more like 5'11 and that joe parker was 6'3 at absolute tops

Fighters tend to exaggerate their heights. With recent heights it makes sense to deduct an inch or so from listed heights. For example Evander Holyfield was consistently listed at 6'1 1/4 during his cruiserweight days. celebrityheights has Joseph Parker at 6'3 so that seems to be a good estimate.

Winter king wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 09:12 they love choking you and leaning on you to exhasute you.

put your forearm on his throat. when he puts his weight on you your forearm will dig into his throat. he wont put his weight you.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 20:39 And photographic evidence supports Jeffries at no more than 6'0 or so.

Which photograph(s)?

Yuzo wrote: ↑25 May 2019, 04:01 put your forearm on his throat. when he puts his weight on you your forearm will dig into his throat. he wont put his weight you.

thanks! will do that

Add Andy Ruiz to the victories for the short man column! 6 ft is a really good height for a heavyweight who can hit.

overhand_right wrote: ↑01 Jun 2019, 23:47 Add Andy Ruiz to the victories for the short man column! 6 ft is a really good height for a heavyweight who can hit.

Damn you! You beat me to this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Jun 2019, 23:54 Damn you! You beat me to this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way was I going to miss this opportunity!

There's people online so overawed by Joshua's appearance and KOs they think he's the greatest ever. His heart, guts and chin didn't quite match his amazing height and muscles.

overhand_right wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 00:10 No way was I going to miss this opportunity!

There's people online so overawed by Joshua's appearance and KOs they think he's the greatest ever. His heart, guts and chin didn't quite match his amazing height and muscles.

There are so many "AJ vs" threads I want to post on right now. Can't wait to see all the AJ fanboy excuses tomorrow! Still LMFAO!

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 00:12 There are so many "AJ vs" threads I want to post on right now. Can't wait to see all the AJ fanboy excuses tomorrow! Still LMFAO!

There's something so sweet in the biggest body beautiful ever losing to a short man with literally the worst physique in all heavyweight title history.

And it's not like it was a Hasim Rahman one punch job. He beat the crap out of AJ!

overhand_right wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 00:15 There's something so sweet in the biggest body beautiful ever losing to a short man with literally the worst physique in all heavyweight title history.

And it's not like it was a Hasim Rahman one punch job. He beat the crap out of AJ!

Exactly. AJ got beat up tonight. No lucky punch. Accumulation of punches every knockdown and not one Wilder like smash. I just watched again. Not one devastating punch connected on AJ. But he went down five times.

Size advantage is an advantage, when you can use it.

Joshua didn't used it, when he decided to trade with a wounded animal.

Wlad learned to use it after his KO losses and made a career on it.

Lewis could use it in a near-perfect way.

David Price don't use it at all.

This advantage is pointless without a skill of utilizing it.

I guess height and reach is not an advantage to what we saw last night. Anthony Joshua got his azz kicked!

elmersalsa wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 10:10 I guess height and reach is not an advantage to what we saw last night. Anthony Joshua got his azz kicked!

Certainly was a surprise to me that a barely 6' heavyweight could beat a 6'6" heavyweight. Then again Joshua didn't fight intelligently. Didn't use his size to any advantage at all.

Two things come to mind:

1. This really makes Alp's argument stronger.
2. Where ever Kalan is today, last night may have turned him into a 'cutter.'

I was also wondering about Kalan's take on this, surely he must be in a somber mood. I didn't speak to this, but I took Ruiz very seriously....perhaps more seriously than Joshua and his camp. I'm happy to see the scrambling this will create.

Now there are 4 names in the chase. Ruiz just invited himself to the party.

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 13:41 I was also wondering about Kalan's take on this, surely he must be in a somber mood. I didn't speak to this, but I took Ruiz very seriously....perhaps more seriously than Joshua and his camp. I'm happy to see the scrambling this will create.

Now there are 4 names in the chase. Ruiz just invited himself to the party.

LOL! Kalan is ripping up his Wilt Chamberlain poster as I post this.

Hope this is a wakeup call.
Not just about Joshua being very overrated.
Maybe we can actually start looking at what fighters can actually do; like we used to. Let's get away from height, weight, reach etc. Lets talk jab, uppercut, hooks, power, speed, stamina, chin etc.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 14:19 Hope this is a wakeup call.
Not just about Joshua being very overrated.
Maybe we can actually start looking at what fighters can actually do; like we used to. Let's get away from height, weight, reach etc. Lets talk jab, uppercut, hooks, power, speed, stamina, chin etc.

Amen Brother!

it should only be a wakeup call to ppl who thought the taller more muscular guy always wins, which is pretty much no one and is just an extremist opinion some ppl depict as being a consensus or something

we still have all the cases of aj beating shorter fighters, including parker (who beat shorter ruiz). you can cherry pick those cases as much as you can this one

jamamb wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 14:22 it should only be a wakeup call to ppl who thought the taller more muscular guy always wins, which is pretty much no one and is just an extremist opinion some ppl depict as being a consensus or something

we still have all the cases of aj beating shorter fighters, including parker (who beat shorter ruiz). you can cherry pick those cases as much as you can this one

Yes, this is directed at them. There have been enough of them here to make the statement. Certainly not the majority.

i really think there have hardly been any who think that height is be all end all, maybe kalan, certain posters in this section love to rally against extreme opinions that hardly anyone hold though, as if one guy having them means all do

aj lost to one shorter fighter
aj has beaten many shorter fighters
ruiz already had a loss to a fighter taller then himself,, who in turn lost to taller aj

lewis, the klits, wilder, and fury have beenn the top hws of the past 20 years and have beaten many more shorter opponents then shorter opponents have beat them. the best non tall hw prior to these guys was holy, who twice lost to tall bowe. but omg aj lost to ruiz! its over kids!

but hey, maybe 1 guy thought height was everyhting and wilt would beat ali, so lol at him, its defo true this fight is a blow to his arguments and beliefs