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Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 May 2019, 21:56 I think the shot he hit Ali with just before the bell in Rd 2 might have been the biggest shot ever that didn't produce a kd. Ernie did like room to operate, he's not getting that with Joe.

I'll have to go back and look. I remember the shot he nailed Ali with in the 12th(?).

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 May 2019, 22:03 I'll have to go back and look. I remember the shot he nailed Ali with in the 12th(?).

I could be wrong, do you remember it being right before the bell?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 May 2019, 22:08 I could be wrong, do you remember it being right before the bell?

You could be right. The shot I'm speaking about was late in the fight and it was late in the round and Ali came out the next round still hurt but he psyched Shavers out by playing like he was wobbly legged and clowning. Shavers said later that he didn't trust Ali and didn't press the action but should've.

We're both right. I went back and watched highlights.

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 May 2019, 22:25 We're both right. I went back and watched highlights.

I have it, but it would take forever for me to find the DVD.

If Quarry could blast Shavers out in a single round, I'd have to think Frazier could do it in five rounds or less.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 14:42 If Quarry could blast Shavers out in a single round, I'd have to think Frazier could do it in five rounds or less.

That was a young and inexperienced Shavers. He was much better later in his career.

Tim Witherspoon vs Joe Frazier seems like a classic. Also, Earnie Shavers vs Frazier.

What would have happened between Gerry Cooney and Smokin' Joe? This is a very interesting matchup. Cooney is 6'7". Frazier was 5'11 1/2".

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 23:14 What would have happened between Gerry Cooney and Smokin' Joe? This is a very interesting matchup. Cooney is 6'7". Frazier was 5'11 1/2".

If Cooney threw the uppercut, like Foreman did, he'd have a chance. It depends who got to one another first and kept it up. Somehow I think Frazier gets the upper hand of a brawl. When you are the bigger guy you don't want to give the smaller guy an even playing field giving up your advantages.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 May 2019, 23:14 What would have happened between Gerry Cooney and Smokin' Joe? This is a very interesting matchup. Cooney is 6'7". Frazier was 5'11 1/2".

Frazier would have destroyed him.

Frazier would dominate in that era. The only questions, how much it would take from him then, when would his prime end. Some people say, his prime was over after the 1st Ali fight, some point at the 1st Foreman fight. In the 80s only Tyson could give Joe about the same tough fight. And would Joe be still there by the rise of Tyson? If yes, then he would very likely win even him. But if Frazier was on Holmes place, he wouldn't have the same opponents. And not only because there was his son. I guess, if Smokin' Joe emerged in the 80, when there were 3 major belts, he would try to unify them all.

The Frazier fought Ali for the 3rd time in 1975, would have won all the fights that Holmes made successful title defenses in.

oogiebe wrote: ↑11 May 2019, 15:35 When did it go to 200?

Not till the mid-2000s. David Haye's first title was still at 190 and that was 2003. Mormeck's first few title fights were 190.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 May 2019, 21:50 He was dangerous longer than that.

Just can't see him doing anything to Joe after the initial two rounds. Once Joe got in his rhythmn, Earnie is in major trouble.

Nile4000 wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 16:14 Just can't see him doing anything to Joe after the initial two rounds. Once Joe got in his rhythmn, Earnie is in major trouble.

Joe had plenty of rhythm early, pretty overblown the slow starter stuff.