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Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:07
by jamamb
Tony1244 wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:05 An opponent would need the chin of an Ali. Sure, Bowe could win, I just wouldn't favor him in this match.
who would you pick in the following

wilder vs lewis
wilder vs holy
wilder vs foreman
wilder vs tyson
wilder vs louis

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:14
by Tony1244
jamamb wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:07 who would you pick in the following

wilder vs lewis
wilder vs holy
wilder vs foreman
wilder vs tyson
wilder vs louis
Lewis by KO
Wilder by KO
Foreman or Tyson vs Wilder? Whoever landed hard first!
Wilder. Too much size for Louis.

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:15
by jamamb
conceivably wilder could be almost the best hw of all time then, knocing out holy, bowe, louis, tyson, and foreman. where does fury rate all time i wonder, since he was good enough not to be ko'd

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:22
by Tony1244
Fury is up there. I think a lot of people have underrated him. Wilder is this century's Rocky Marciano. Limited skill, but power to make up for it.

Shavers occasionally KOd fighters who were better than he was like when he KOd Ken Norton. Schmeling KOd Louis the first time, so its not inconcievable to me, that Wilder could KO some greats if there is a boxing heaven somewhere.

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:23
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:15 conceivably wilder could be almost the best hw of all time then, knocing out holy, bowe, louis, tyson, and foreman. where does fury rate all time i wonder, since he was good enough not to be ko'd
LMFAO! :lol: You're classic!

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:23
by jamamb
Tony1244 wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:22 Fury is up there. I think a lot of people have underrated him. Wilder is this century's Rocky Marciano. Limited skill, but power to make up for it.

Shavers occasionally KOd fighters who were better than he was like when he KOd Ken Norton. Schmeling KOd Louis the first time, so its not inconcievable to me, that Wilder could KO some greats if there is a boxing heaven somewhere.
how about this, which hws in history would you actually pick to beat wilder

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:23
by jamamb
oogiebe wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:23 LMFAO! :lol: You're classic!
well its pretty much what tonys saying though if you post his posts together lol

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:24
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:07 who would you pick in the following

wilder vs lewis
wilder vs holy
wilder vs foreman
wilder vs tyson
wilder vs louis
You forgot Jack Johnson... :maybe: :lol:

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:24
by oogiebe
jamamb wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:23 well its pretty much what tonys saying though lol
Oh I got your sarcasm! It was epic! Why not just put Wilder against the entire roster of HW's! You made me tear up!

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:26
by jamamb
nah,when someone rates wilder as high as tony does, you only need to test out the greatest of the greats

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:27
by ValMar
jamamb wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:07 who would you pick in the following

wilder vs lewis
wilder vs holy
wilder vs foreman
wilder vs tyson
wilder vs louis
Prime for prime, per cent :
Lewis - Wilder 80-20
Holyfield-Wilder 55-45
Tyson/Foreman-Wilder who lands first
Louis-Wilder, Wilder, Louis was too small

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:27
by oogiebe
OMG...folks are actually taking this seriously...

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:29
by Tony1244
jamamb wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:23 how about this, which hws in history would you actually pick to beat wilder
Ali
Jack Johnson
Foreman-Probably
Lennox Lewis
Vit-Possibly
Holmes
Louis or Marciano IF its P4P


Maybe someone like Joe Bugner (I'm laughing too) styles make fights.

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:31
by christyson
Bowe KO 1

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 18:40
by jamamb
Tony1244 wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 18:29 Ali
Jack Johnson
Foreman-Probably
Lennox Lewis
Vit-Possibly
Holmes
Louis or Marciano IF its P4P


Maybe someone like Joe Bugner (I'm laughing too) styles make fights.
:TU:

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 21:24
by gilgamesh
This would be a really fun shootout of a fight while it lasted. That being said, I expect Bowe would be winning by KO inside 3 rounds. It'd be all action while it lasted though, and I could see both guys getting hurt.

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 07 Jun 2019, 00:36
by PUGLET
ValMar wrote: 06 Jun 2019, 16:30 Yes, and Andy Ruiz would beat Lennox Lewis, too....
Not quite sure what you mean..... ? I said JOHN RUIZ and I was being absolutely serious. ANDY Ruiz can straight up fight, but, methinks Lennox is an awful matchup for him. Seriously so.

I couldn’t tell whether or not you were making fun of me or joking or agreeing with me.
:maybe:

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 07 Jun 2019, 02:03
by ValMar
PUGLET wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 00:36 Not quite sure what you mean..... ? I said JOHN RUIZ and I was being absolutely serious. ANDY Ruiz can straight up fight, but, methinks Lennox is an awful matchup for him. Seriously so.

I couldn’t tell whether or not you were making fun of me or joking or agreeing with me.
:maybe:
I thought you were kidding speaking about John Ruiz, so I was not serious about Andy Ruiz.
So, you were serious about John Ruiz. I don't agree, but, I apologise if I offended you (without any bad intention, really).

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 07 Jun 2019, 07:02
by Winter king
For the longest time Ihave been one of those guys who kept saying yeah wilder is powerful but technique blabla. His technique is bad but fornicate he destroys opponents like he had nukes for hands. He literally needs one ok punch to send you to space. Bowe was good but he was beaten by lesser punchers.

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 07 Jun 2019, 09:10
by ValMar
Winter king wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 07:02 For the longest time Ihave been one of those guys who kept saying yeah wilder is powerful but technique blabla. His technique is bad but eff he destroys opponents like he had nukes for hands. He literally needs one ok punch to send you to space. Bowe was good but he was beaten by lesser punchers.
You are right, 100 %. BTW, Bowe used to brawl, and this is the very dangerous way against Wilder.

After Wilder's story about a "body" I will never more root for him, but, honestly, he is among the most interesting HWs, surely.

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 07 Jun 2019, 11:01
by Ricky
Bowe was a wierd one. Great vs the real deal, not great vs Galota. I reckon he was tough enough to withstand some shots then get Wilder out of there, similar to how Ortiz nearly got him.

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 07 Jun 2019, 12:33
by jamamb
Winter king wrote: 07 Jun 2019, 07:02 For the longest time Ihave been one of those guys who kept saying yeah wilder is powerful but technique blabla. His technique is bad but eff he destroys opponents like he had nukes for hands. He literally needs one ok punch to send you to space. Bowe was good but he was beaten by lesser punchers.
bowe was only beat once, on decision by the great evander holyfield. ppl mentioned golota but those happened like 5 years after the time specified here, 92 bowe. if were gonna do that, why dont we then match that bowe up with the wilder who had a shakey 9-10 round fight (i forget which) vs eric molina for example. wilder got hurt and despite landing his '1 shot and over' punches repeatedly didnt finally put chinny molina away until later. molina has been stopped in 3 or less several other times

wilders power is great but the whole he just needs to hit you once things exaggerated. as i said previously, there are a bunch of fights where he lands and the guys either dont go down or get up to last several more rounds, often with notable success. with some ppl its turned into 'get hit once, your done'

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 07 Jun 2019, 13:07
by Enlightened-One
This would be easy work for 'Big Daddy'.

Re: The fantasy match - Bowe (1992) vs. Wilder (2019) ?

Posted: 07 Jun 2019, 13:31
by The Great John L
Bowe had the ability to beat him, but he would have never fought Wilder.