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clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 05:55 He said he’d do it for the Diamond belt and it’s a fun fight we all want to see. There’s no excuse for it not to happen. I didn’t watch Wilder’s last fight, I won’t watch Joshua Ruiz and I won’t watch Fury Schwarz (which is the worst match up of the three by a long stretch) either.

joshj909 wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 10:27 He should be aware that his personality will get backlash then as he more often than not doesn't backup what he says. His supporters should also be aware of this and shouldn't need to defend him.

He can sell his persona to those who like controversy but to those who like facts and reality it will be harder until he "gets off his couch" again and backs up his claims.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 10:22 I don't read or respond to that format.

candyslim wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 10:54 Fury is Fury. Nothing that you, I or Jehova say or think is going to change anything. I'm sure the criticism doesn't bother him one bit.

Don't respond to that format. Don't respond to posts of more than two paragraphs. A right picky bugger aren't you?

The reason I respond sometimes using that format is so I can address every point individually rather than cherry-picking the part I want to answer while conveniently ignoring the rest. Still you can please yourself.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 13:25 This thread is so gossipy high school kids arguing over yearbook photos

It’s amazing how knee jerk emotional sports make people.

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 13:30 LOL! You know it's bad when you are considering unsubscribing from your own thread!

joshj909 wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 10:27 He should be aware that his personality will get backlash then as he more often than not doesn't backup what he says. His supporters should also be aware of this and shouldn't need to defend him.

He can sell his persona to those who like controversy but to those who like facts and reality it will be harder until he "gets off his couch" again and backs up his claims.

joshj909 wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 10:27 He should be aware that his personality will get backlash then as he more often than not doesn't backup what he says. His supporters should also be aware of this and shouldn't need to defend him.

He can sell his persona to those who like controversy but to those who like facts and reality it will be harder until he "gets off his couch" again and backs up his claims.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 13:32 I hear you...though the thread itself is also a good example

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 13:35 Maybe, but I was trying to point out how Fury gets a pass and Wilder is usually attacked. Things got a bit too personal here...again.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 13:53 You’re a good poster oog, but you surely realize that over emotional boxing fans are prone to hypocrisy and hyperbole.

Also, Fury’s been lambasted on here for fighting Schwarz so I don’t think he’s gotten a pass for anything.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 12:53 I already know what I said. Don't need to read it again. That's a jumbled mess. I might make an effort if I haven't already read your bullshit a million times.

candyslim wrote: ↑31 May 2019, 10:31 Doesn't it bother you that the WBC are throwing up name after name for Dillian Whyte to beat before they'll give the bloke a title shot?

He's beaten Chisora twice, the man tipped to follow Klitschko - Robert Helenius, the then unbeaten Lucas Browne, a young and talented former champion in Joe Parker, a dangerous Oscar Rivas and now the poor schmuck is expected to fight Tyson Fury for the right to face Wilder at least a year from now, and you can probably double that.

Dill is 100% warrior and he'll fight fight Fury or ferkin Godzilla if he has to, but he isn't invincible and he will lose within the next year or two at the outside almost certainly without getting a shot at the belt.

You might be ok with that, like you say "it's a fun fight" but I think the way he has been treated stinks. Just watch while Kownacki gets the next mandatory slot.

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Jun 2019, 10:47 Now I might have to plead guilty to "guilding the lily" in describing Whyte's opponents, if only to balance the "he weren't nuthin" comments which tend to be the standard 20/20 hindsight verdicts, but however you look at Whyte's roster of victims, I challenge you to name a heavyweight (who doesn't consider himself a world champion) who can boast a comparable record never mind a superior one.

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Jun 2019, 15:34 Yeah I'll give you Parker although Whyte did beat him albeit narrowly so you can't make a case for him being ahead in the queue. It sounds harsh but he lost his last two fights and needs to get back to winning.

Ruiz has only fought 3 times since his impressive 2016 controversial loss to Parker. Kevin Johnson and Alex Dimitrenko being the 'names'. Decent enough I guess but his chance of glory against Joshua tonight is entirely fortuitous and born out of circumstance.

Takam's tough fight with Povetkin was five years ago. His only wins since then were against Michael Sprott, Marcin Rekowski and Senad Gashi, do you see any of them beating Helenius?

Povetkin has a fine resumé but he was crushed by Joshua this year (after putting up a good show). Does anyone want to see him rematch AJ or challenge Wilder now. That ship is some way over the horizon next port Palookagrad.

Unbeaten Hughie Fury? Oh I see what you mean. He got schooled by Pulev, and edged out by Parker. His best wins are Andrei Rudenko, Fred Kassi and Sam Sexton, none of whom are top 30. Take out Rudenko and you could even say top 50. Touted as 'the second coming'? ... yeah maybe by his Dad.

A noble effort my friend, you might even claim victory because I said nothing about your nominee(s) being as deserving or more so than Whyte of the next shot at Wilder so I can't backtrack now can I ?

I do think your lack of sympathy for his treatment is callous though, sorry.

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Jun 2019, 11:04 Sorry Herr Clop I neglected to address your other point ...

I believe Whyte turned down the Joshua fight because he knew it's a huge risk and his lucrative UK PPV status may not survive a second defeat to AJ. As Whyte sees it, he has invested a lot of time, sanction fees, blood, sweat and tears in pursuit of Wilder. He wants his due.

Rightly or wrongly he sees Wilder as the easy option, and having dispatched Wilder the all UK Unification with AJ will be a mega fight as opposed to an unwelcome and uninspiring repeat which is how the majority of UK boxing fans were looking at the prospect of an April 2019 clash.