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Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 10:18
by ewenhay
ironbeard wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 10:14 He belongs to the United Fat Dudes of North America, ffs.
A new nation has arisen and good luck to them. Taco Bell is the real winner here

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 10:41
by pound per pound
Not an easy top 15 as the top men seldom fought each other. I think we have reached the point where the up and coming talent is better than the mid and bottom level top 15 people, hence my ratings:

For now

#1 Fury
#2 Ruiz
#3 Wilder
#4 Whyte
#5 Joshua
#6 Hrgovic
#7 Usyk
#8 Miller
# 9 Povetkin
# 10 Parker
#11 Pulev
#12 Joyce
#13 Kownacki
#14 Ortiz
#15 Ajagba

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 11:07
by TempleSlave
Finkel wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 09:38 Ruiz #2
Joshua #5

Ruiz made Joshua say No Mas
There’s no good reason to put Ruiz above Wilder or AJ below Whyte.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 11:10
by TempleSlave
ewenhay wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 10:18 A new nation has arisen and good luck to them. Taco Bell is the real winner here
...with Kownacki lurking around the corner!

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 11:22
by DrDuke
TempleSlave wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 11:10 ...with Kownacki lurking around the corner!
Kownacki gotta be awarded a shot right now. Them two mauling-brawling puddings will provide a super exciting massacre and that will be for the Unified World championship.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 11:39
by Ruthless-RKO
pound per pound wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 10:41 Not an easy top 15 as the top men seldom fought each other. I think we have reached the point where the up and coming talent is better than the mid and bottom level top 15 people, hence my ratings:

For now

#1 Fury
#2 Ruiz
#3 Wilder
#4 Whyte
#5 Joshua
#6 Hrgovic
#7 Usyk
#8 Miller
# 9 Povetkin
# 10 Parker
#11 Pulev
#12 Joyce
#13 Kownacki
#14 Ortiz
#15 Ajagba
I’d move Whyte above AJ, IF he beats Rivas.

The rest of ur list doesn’t make sense to me, but hey, that’s your opinion.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 11:43
by tiny_acres
Ruiz #3
Joshua #4

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 15:20
by dagilechia
bump

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 16:09
by KiwiRider
Boxrec have Ruiz #1, Joshua #3
We ain't on a matrix here though.

Or are we? :o

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 16:37
by conan_the_cribber
Ruiz 3
Joshua 4

Any idiot who puts Ruiz at #1 simply either doesn't understand boxing or doesn't understand ranking. And if any of you idiots want to defend Ruiz #1, I'll happily give you even money odds of Ruiz vs Wilder or Fury, up to 10,000 Dollars. And if you don't feel like that is a fair bet, then don't put Ruiz at #1, where he clearly does not belong.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 16:38
by oogiebe
Ruiz 3
Joshua 4


Can't remember if I voted or not.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 17:24
by pound per pound
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 11:39 I’d move Whyte above AJ, IF he beats Rivas.

The rest of ur list doesn’t make sense to me, but hey, that’s your opinion.

Well AJ beat White and better fighters overall, so I have him ahead of Whyte.

This is a very weak top 15, which is why I think the younger guys who hit harder and have shown more skills appear over over some of the veterans, and very older veterans.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 19:28
by Ruthless-RKO
pound per pound wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 17:24 Well AJ beat White and better fighters overall, so I have him ahead of Whyte.

This is a very weak top 15, which is why I think the younger guys who hit harder and have shown more skills appear over over some of the veterans, and very older veterans.
He beat him 4 years ago.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 19:36
by ironbeard
conan_the_cribber wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 16:37 Ruiz 3
Joshua 4

Any idiot who puts Ruiz at #1 simply either doesn't understand boxing or doesn't understand ranking. And if any of you idiots want to defend Ruiz #1, I'll happily give you even money odds of Ruiz vs Wilder or Fury, up to 10,000 Dollars. And if you don't feel like that is a fair bet, then don't put Ruiz at #1, where he clearly does not belong.
Go fvck yourself. Ruiz beat The Man. Ruiz is now The Man to beat.

The old “you don’t know boxing” horsesh!t excuse for denigrating others’ opinions is lame.

You know what is evidence of idiocy? Downgrading a W because it wasn’t the massive bore Fury or the man who had fought no one until recently is idiotic on its face.

Triangulate until you can’t see straight. Does not matter, Ruiz is the King of the Boxing world, deservedly. There is nothing that you can do about it.

It does not matter if he would not be favored in fights v Wilder, Fury, AJ, Whyte or whoever else. King Ruiz just did what nobody else has accomplished. He is THE MAN until proven otherwise.

Your opinion means nothing.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 19:41
by oogiebe
ironbeard wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 19:36 Go fvck yourself. Ruiz beat The Man. Ruiz is now The Man to beat.

The old “you don’t know boxing” horsesh!t excuse for denigrating others’ opinions is lame.

You know what is evidence of idiocy? Downgrading a W because it wasn’t the massive bore Fury or the man who had fought no one until recently is idiotic on its face.

Triangulate until you can’t see straight. Does not matter, Ruiz is the King of the Boxing world, deservedly. There is nothing that you can do about it.

It does not matter if he would not be favored in fights v Wilder, Fury, AJ, Whyte or whoever else. King Ruiz just did what nobody else has accomplished. He is THE MAN until proven otherwise.

Your opinion means nothing.
We've all seen others use that line. Just means the poster is an imbecilic. That said, I disagree with you on Ruiz being number one, as I've posted before. The fight showed more about AJ not being the man as much as some of us may have thought. Ruiz is more or less the same fighter he was before this fight, albeit a bit underrated.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 23:50
by ironbeard
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 19:41 We've all seen others use that line. Just means the poster is an imbecilic. That said, I disagree with you on Ruiz being number one, as I've posted before. The fight showed more about AJ not being the man as much as some of us may have thought. Ruiz is more or less the same fighter he was before this fight, albeit a bit underrated.
With the majority of the belts and the biggest W in the sport.

Meanwhile, Fury is fighting a pair of shorts and Wilder is doing de ja vu all over again.

Ruiz is the King. Get over it.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 23:54
by oogiebe
ironbeard wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 23:50 With the majority of the belts and the biggest W in the sport.

Meanwhile, Fury is fighting a pair of shorts and Wilder is doing de ja vu all over again.

Ruiz is the King. Get over it.
:lol: So let's just cancel all the voting and go with whatever you say! :lol:

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 02 Jun 2019, 23:56
by ironbeard
oogiebe wrote: 02 Jun 2019, 23:54 :lol: So let's just cancel all the voting and go with whatever you say! :lol:
Vote for any “linear” ducker you prefer. Ruiz is the King of Boxing.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 03 Jun 2019, 00:08
by dagilechia
after last night fight i can actually imagine Ruiz defeating Wilder. i can't see him winning against Fury though.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 03 Jun 2019, 00:25
by jamamb
was anyone saying ruiz cant beat so and so thinking before hand that he had much better chances vs aj? granted id confidently pick wilder and fury over him and fury in particular is probably all wrong for him, but i wouldnt rule him out totally?

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 03 Jun 2019, 00:25
by jamamb
ruiz to 3
aj to 4

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 03 Jun 2019, 00:27
by jamamb
and someone please get andy the biggest ever 'im #1 shirt' to wear on the homepage :yay:

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 03 Jun 2019, 01:26
by jezzamundo
Thank you for taking over the running of these rankings - I simply don't have the time or desire to do it anymore.

My vote: Ruiz to #1, Joshua to #4.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 03 Jun 2019, 03:53
by morm
ruiz # 2
AJ # 5

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Joshua vs Ruiz Jr

Posted: 03 Jun 2019, 06:42
by Heretic
Ruiz to #1
Joshua #2

I was one of the people saying that Ruiz will surprise people in this fight. I Thought he would do well early on and either loose narrowly on points or get KO'd in the late rounds. Well I gotta say he surprised me too :OhYes:

Joshua was the clear consensus number 1. Ruiz beat him So now hes the number 1.

There is no reason to drop Joshua below the others. Ruiz would probably do the same thing to Wilder too. Fury is not what he used to be.

Joshua now knows what he needs to do in the rematch. You don't trade with Ruiz. Parker showed us how to do it when you have the judges on your side.

(On a side note this fight kind of explains the AJ vs Parker bout too. I guess AJ really needed the protection from the ref. )