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Ruiz definitely should.

Huge payday for an opponent he has the beating of. AJ isn't gonna inprove his flaws before the rematch.

He's dtill gonna be chinny, have no stamina, no ring iq, no plan B etc

jamamb wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 04:55 why wouldnt he take the rematch, huge money for a guy he just beat up, like said

Exactly. An even bigger payday against a man he has already beaten. Why would he dodge it?

Joshua will be wanting his shot at redemption too - it's crazy to think he (AJ) wouldn't want it. He's not unbeatable or even unbeaten, but he is a fighting man, don't disrespect him about that.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 05:07 In terms of the existence of a rematch clause, AJ said the following:

'I didn't even ask about a rematch clause because I was so confident I was going to win. If it's there, we'll go again and I'll get the titles back.‘

So if there’s no rematch clause, then Ruiz Jr. won’t be obliged to face Anthony Joshua next, though I can’t imagine his team omitting this sort of blatantly obvious and seemingly mandatory stipulation in the contract.

There will 100% be a rematch clause to cover all eventualities - Ruiz has just won the jackpot as he’s likely on 8-10m for 2nd fight.

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 05:27 Ruiz definitely should.

Huge payday for an opponent he has the beating of. AJ isn't gonna inprove his flaws before the rematch.

He's dtill gonna be chinny, have no stamina, no ring iq, no plan B etc

Reading your comments anybody might think AJ had never beaten anyone above area level in his life. He's always had the flaws he has now, but nobody has managed to beat him before. He dropped Ruiz and foolishly threw caution to the wind. You can bet he'd be a little more circumspect next time and should win. Has Ruiz suddenly become 'chinny' now Joshua dropped him?

Sh1t happens. Joshua isn't flawless, who is, but he hasn't suddenly become a poor fighter.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 04:40 Of course he will, huge money against a guy he just beat the poo out of.

Ruiz needs to be paid as the champion, otherwise no re-match, I'm not sure if AJ wants the re-match if he can get an easier path to a title shot vs Wilder. If AJ goes 0-2 vs Ruiz, he's pretty much done as a top contender.

As they say in boxing you can't trainer a fighter's ability to take a punch, but you can train him not to get hit. At this point in his career, its unlikely Joshua will learn defense. He's a bit stiff, so ducking, slipping or moving out of range won't be developed at his age. Ruiz had a 74" reach. He had no problems getting to AJ.

well there may not actually be one !

Eddie hearn suggested there is but AJ said he felt so certain of winning that he didnt insist on it.

But $$$$$$$$ may talk

pound per pound wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 08:28 Ruiz needs to be paid as the champion, otherwise no re-match, I'm not sure if AJ wants the re-match if he can get an easier path to a title shot vs Wilder. If AJ goes 0-2 vs Ruiz, he's pretty much done as a top contender.

As they say in boxing you can't trainer a fighter's ability to take a punch, but you can train him not to get hit. At this point in his career, its unlikely Joshua will learn defense. He's a bit stiff, so ducking, slipping or moving out of range won't be developed at his age. Ruiz had a 74" reach. He had no problems getting to AJ.

You think Wilder is the easier fight? If the AJ that fought last night turned up against Wilder it would be over a lot quicker.

stevec@france wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 10:04 well there may not actually be one !

Eddie hearn suggested there is but AJ said he felt so certain of winning that he didnt insist on it.

But $$$$$$$$ may talk

If it's not a mandatory or a huge fight, you can bet your bottom dollar there is a rematch clause.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 19:30 If it's not a mandatory or a huge fight, you can bet your bottom dollar there is a rematch clause.

If there is no rematch clause then Hearn is on suicide watch.

Question for me is SHOULD AJ take the rematch or rather some time to go back to the gym and have an interim fight to get his wits back.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 19:55 Question for me is SHOULD AJ take the rematch or rather some time to go back to the gym and have an interim fight to get his wits back.

Hearn lost control of the heavyweight scene 100% to Haymon. No way does he not get right back in and take the rematch

tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 19:51 If there is no rematch clause then Hearn is on suicide watch.

BARRY Hearn acted as if there wasn't.



'Do you think there'll be a rematch?'

"I think so... I think that's where you go..."

"I hope we can do the rematch..."

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 19:55 Question for me is SHOULD AJ take the rematch or rather some time to go back to the gym and have an interim fight to get his wits back.

He has to take the rematch.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 19:58 Hearn lost control of the heavyweight scene 100% to Haymon. No way does he not get right back in and take the rematch

I question if after such a humiliating defeat if it's wise for AJ (especially considering what he looked like) to jump back in. His confidence needs help. His mental toughness needs help. He's only 29 and can try to go back to the gym and improve his technique, in particular his defense. I think there are a load of questions surrounding the ex-champ at this juncture.

AJ might not be able to win a rematch. A loss again would be devastating. Maybe fight someone else like Price then come back.

That's one way to look at it. Another is he got careless on the verge of victory and got caught.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 20:15 That's one way to look at it. Another is he got careless on the verge of victory and got caught.

Lewis got careless. AJ got the crap kicked out of him.

It would be even more humiliating for Joshua to skirt an immediate rematch and instead play it safe against a faded, chinny Price.

It would make It seem as if his team had lost all confidence in him and was feeding him safe scraps.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 20:18 It would be even more humiliating for Joshua to skirt an immediate rematch and instead play it safe against a faded, chinny Price.

It would make It seem as if his team had lost all confidence in him and was feeding him safe scraps.

Only AJ and his team know for sure where he is mentally. Let's see what transpires in the weeks to come. A new trainer and camp overhaul would go a long way.

What is this is one of those cases where Ruiz has got Joshua’s number?

AJ might do a Kovalev, and just box Ruiz’s ears off in the rematch. Or we may see a re-run of this fight.

Will say it again. AJ struggles with shorter boxers and it was a matter of time that one of the smaller guys got to him.0

AJ struggles against fast handed fighters. He has no ability to adjust mid fight, just keeps doing the same thing.

I’m not sure AJ and particularly his trainer will want the rematch, but Ruiz will definitely be up for it!

He has to. Or retire. Its a contract

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 22:14 He has to. Or retire. Its a contract

But we still don't know the exact details of that contract.

Apparently Barry Hearn has voiced some doubts about a rematch, so the stipulations might not be spelled out clearly.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 20:40 What is this is one of those cases where Ruiz has got Joshua’s number?

AJ might do a Kovalev, and just box Ruiz’s ears off in the rematch. Or we may see a re-run of this fight.

Will say it again. AJ struggles with shorter boxers and it was a matter of time that one of the smaller guys got to him.0

The Kovalev loss to Alvarez did not happen in the same manner as the Joshua loss.
Kovalev was comfortably ahead when he got hurt and was rendered unable to continue shortly after. Kovalev already knew he could outbox Alvarez.

Joshua was not winning the fight, had been dropped multiple times and was reduced to being unwilling to continue.