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oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 13:07 It really is insane. Folks are so personally affected by this. I've unsubscribed to many threads in the last several days!

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 13:46 The posts on here pre fight hailed Joshua as the 2nd coming. I wasn't shocked to see his robotic style exposed and a lot of other weren't but some of the stuff posted on here was laughable over the last year or two. You literally couldn't read Joshua threads due to the sheer delusion

tobyh5 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 15:03 I think the thing is that some people could see flaws in AJ and were not going to totally buy into him. Acknowledge that he is a big strong lump and one of the top guys but not that he was all conquering killer and world number one.

Any time we said these things, with calmness, thought and a solid reasoned argument, we would be shouted down as haters. So sure, it is nice to bask a little in being proven right.

I wrote here quite clearly that one issue with AJ is that when he is hit, he stays hit. That his recovery powers are slow and that if Wlad pushed the point, he would have finished AJ off. That he is not a natural instinctive fighter, that it is almost punching by numbers with him needing to be told exactly what to do.

I am wrong as often as right but I did feel passionately on this one so let us have a rare moment

WildWaylon wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 15:49 No conspiracy AJ was beaten by a better man, who will beat him again in a rematch. One guy on here called Ruiz a bum which just goes to show how little he knows. Maybe the occasion did get to AJ but his performance wasn't bad until he got tagged in round three and after that he didn't seem to have an answer for Ruiz. Plan A, B and C were not going to work for him, so he fought on hoping he could hurt Ruiz and knock him out.. Ruiz has never been stopped as a pro or as an amateur. Respect for a man who deserves to hold the belts

TheLeprechaun wrote: His punch resistance hasn't been that good generally.

tobyh5 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 15:03 I think the thing is that some people could see flaws in AJ and were not going to totally buy into him. Acknowledge that he is a big strong lump and one of the top guys but not that he was all conquering killer and world number one.

Any time we said these things, with calmness, thought and a solid reasoned argument, we would be shouted down as haters. So sure, it is nice to bask a little in being proven right.

I wrote here quite clearly that one issue with AJ is that when he is hit, he stays hit. That his recovery powers are slow and that if Wlad pushed the point, he would have finished AJ off. That he is not a natural instinctive fighter, that it is almost punching by numbers with him needing to be told exactly what to do.

I am wrong as often as right but I did feel passionately on this one so let us have a rare moment

samwbr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:15 Why didn't a man of such experience as Wlad finish him off then?

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:19 Can someone please bump all these threads where people have been claiming Joshua is some ATG unbeatable monster? Cos I genuinely don’t remember them. I always thought the consensus was that he’s definitely in the top 3 of a currently fairly weak heavyweight division, but I don’t really remember anyone saying he’d beat Ali/Lennox/Tyson (M)?

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:19 Can someone please bump all these threads where people have been claiming Joshua is some ATG unbeatable monster? Cos I genuinely don’t remember them. I always thought the consensus was that he’s definitely in the top 3 of a currently fairly weak heavyweight division, but I don’t really remember anyone saying he’d beat Ali/Lennox/Tyson (M)?

ewenhay wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:17 Because Klitschko was programmed to be safety first to protect his own chin.

And I think he was a bit tired at that point after having to get back into the fight himself

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:23 and the ppl who go on about everyone claiming so and so is the greatest tend to just in general dump on popular fighters , especially when they lose

for example tuan jim/overhand right also started like 5 ggg hype job /'ha he lost!' threads, said kovalev was the most ovverrated here ever and got fussy when i posted evidence to the contrary, said usyks totally overrated, was dumping on aj, wlad, etc

they follow boxing just to see popular fighters get 'exposed' as frauds. that seems to be the only reason much of the history sections pays any attention to current boxing tbh

samwbr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:15 Why didn't a man of such experience as Wlad finish him off then?

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:23 and the ppl who go on about everyone claiming so and so is the greatest tend to just in general dump on popular fighters , especially when they lose

for example tuan jim/overhand right also started like 5 ggg hype job /'ha he lost!' threads, said kovalev was the most ovverrated here ever and got fussy when i posted evidence to the contrary, said usyks totally overrated, was dumping on aj, wlad, etc

they follow boxing just to see popular fighters get 'exposed' as frauds. that seems to be the only reason much of the history sections pays any attention to current boxing tbh

tobyh5 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:26 Possibly assumption that he would not recover at all. Recovery may be slow but he can recover

samwbr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:24 A bit tired cos he'd been smacked dead hard in the head repeatedly.

ewenhay wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 17:28 There's a bit of both sides I think.

There's sometimes a rush by the current generation to anoint people too early as it reflects modern media, everything has to be bigger and better than what came before.

The opposite entrenchment is the absolute refusal to accept that anything new can be better than the glory days of the past.

I think the sensible position for most who have followed boxing for a long time is the let's wait and see we've heard this story before and we know the flame often fizzles out