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When Joshua was coming through Haye was still (kind of) around, I remember thinking 'they had better not put AJ in with Haye'.

I stand by that, the Ruiz fight is irrelevant as the styles are different.

Haye would stay outside and work at long range for the first few rounds, using his speed to offset his reach disadvantage.

But in the second half of the fight, as Joshua tires Haye would start taking more risks and that is when it would get interesting.

Haye by ko

Ive always thought haye would ko aj

At the end of the day, it’s not about how much you like a fighter, this is purely about new opinions based on a ‘post Ruiz’ AJ. Haye of prime, is levels above AJ, and would have found his off button based on what we now know.


Fvck me!! Are we now talking of hypothetical Haye vs AJ matchups as opposed to Wlad vs Tyson?

I'd pick 2011 Haye to beat 2017 AJ two-thirds of the time. Using Wlad as their common opponent (hence those years), it's easy to go AJ > Wlad > Haye, but Wlad knew how to fight tall against Haye, whereas AJ — on all evidence to date — doesn't.

Damaged nose taken into account, Takam's nowhere near Haye's peak level. And Povetkin was winning until his mileage caught up. Haye was low-mileage in boxing terms, but he had tendonitis-type problems from his training approach.

I think they could've stopped each other with one punch, the speed and timing in Haye's favour, the reach and physicality in AJ's.

When was Haye's prime? You could argue that his best years were at Cruiserweight.

Prime, injury free Haye was AJ's worst nightmare stylistically.

Haye KO win every day of the week, and twice on a Sunday.

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑12 Jun 2019, 07:07 Prime, injury free Haye was AJ's worst nightmare stylistically.

Haye KO win every day of the week, and twice on a Sunday.

I disagree, AJ style is more similar to Klit. Haye didn't roll inside like Ruiz, he would try and time you with fast shots from the outside. This is really tough to do against a tall man with a jab. Like against Klit, Haye would have to wait for an opening, rather than creating openings like Ruiz did.
Added to that AJ was concussed for the whole fight after the knockdown, he never recovered..
Also Haye didn't trust his chin against the big boys, which again stopped him risking diving in

MarkMcBurney wrote: ↑12 Jun 2019, 07:07 Prime, injury free Haye was AJ's worst nightmare stylistically.

Haye KO win every day of the week, and twice on a Sunday.

When was Haye injury free?
He had injuries clear back to before winning the cruiserweight title

I’m not convinced Haye has it in him to stop AJ, I don’t think he’d be prepared to go all in as Ruiz did. I think it would be Joshua on points in a not particularly interesting fight...

Coco wrote: ↑12 Jun 2019, 08:37 I disagree, AJ style is more similar to Klit. Haye didn't roll inside like Ruiz, he would try and time you with fast shots from the outside. This is really tough to do against a tall man with a jab. Like against Klit, Haye would have to wait for an opening, rather than creating openings like Ruiz did.
Added to that AJ was concussed for the whole fight after the knockdown, he never recovered..
Also Haye didn't trust his chin against the big boys, which again stopped him risking diving in

As we have seen AJ hasnt got a jab,AJ's lazy jabbing to the body and straight hands leads into hayes territory and haye would strike like a rattle snake.

chinarich wrote: ↑12 Jun 2019, 13:28 I’m not convinced Haye has it in him to stop AJ, I don’t think he’d be prepared to go all in as Ruiz did. I think it would be Joshua on points in a not particularly interesting fight...

kierw wrote:When Joshua was coming through Haye was still (kind of) around, I remember thinking 'they had better not put AJ in with Haye'.

I'm caught between these two guys. I always fancied Haye getting to his chin & bombing him out before the big lad could get going, but as chinarich says, the likelihood is (like we saw vs Wlad, & to a much lesser extent Valuev) Haye scoots around at max range, waits for that perfect opening, & waits, & waits... & loses 11-1 on the cards in a snoozefest.

Of course, he beat Valuev, but I think the point stands. Haye wasn't enough of a gunslinger at heavy to do it, though he definitely had the tools.

chinarich wrote: ↑12 Jun 2019, 13:28 I’m not convinced Haye has it in him to stop AJ, I don’t think he’d be prepared to go all in as Ruiz did. I think it would be Joshua on points in a not particularly interesting fight...

That's exactly how I see it too.

thechump wrote: ↑13 Jun 2019, 07:06 As we have seen AJ hasnt got a jab,AJ's lazy jabbing to the body and straight hands leads into hayes territory and haye would strike like a rattle snake.

I'm with Chinarich, Aj only jabbed lazily after walking into one against Ruiz. Clear headed his jab is good enough.
Hate doesn't roll in, he waits and waits for opportunities from the outside, which are few and far between with good heavies with a jab.

Coco wrote: ↑13 Jun 2019, 09:29 I'm with Chinarich, Aj only jabbed lazily after walking into one against Ruiz. Clear headed his jab is good enough.
Hate doesn't roll in, he waits and waits for opportunities from the outside, which are few and far between with good heavies with a jab.

Tbh i agree with you,he would stay outside and looking for an opening but in the process get chinned big time