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You don't foul back as the B side in a fight. You instantly loose if you do.

There are shit ton of examples of that.

Kovalev did beat Ward.

Heretic wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 03:50 Here is a vidoe of what will happen if you fight fire with fire...

For little back round info...

This is Tolppola vs Lauri fight.

Lauri has been fouling Tolppola for the whole fight. Rabbit punches hitting after the bell all the usual dirty business from dirty hometown fighter.

Well Tolppola throws one back...

That ref looks a bit like our very own Howard Foster...

Duran1970 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 07:04 Kovalev did beat Ward.

Not on the scorecards. Not listed in any record book.

Ward took Kovie's heart.

Evander Holyfield sort of did that to Tyson.

Tyson always liked to get a last shot in after the bell, so Holyfield made sure he walloped him back and always had the last punch.

Holyfield basically bullied the bully and Tyson didn't like it.

It's what I'd do if I were a fighter. That is, I'd probably foul back even harder than I'd been fouled. But I don't feel like that makes up my mind about exactly what *should* happen, in order that boxing matches should primarily be decided through superiority in legal boxing moves rather than superiority in breaking them.

Heretic wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 03:51 You don't foul back as the B side in a fight. You instantly loose if you do.

There are poo ton of examples of that.

This is also a good point.

Heretic wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 03:51 You don't foul back as the B side in a fight. You instantly loose if you do.

There are poo ton of examples of that.

Too true.

The B side fighter really has to think carefully in such situations.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 10:40 Not on the scorecards. Not listed in any record book.

Ward took Kovie's heart.

Ya you keep believing that

SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 10:40 Not on the scorecards. Not listed in any record book.

Ward took Kovie's heart.

I'd rather say he took his balls

Syntax Error wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 11:37

Too true.

The B side fighter really has to think carefully in such situations.

I don't know that they'd DQ you immediately after 1 foul, but they'd almost certainly deduct a point without any prior warnings. Every now and then it might be worth it if you believe your opponent is fouling you flagrantly enough to require retaliation. Maybe work on some of that Jose Luis Castillo and Bernard Hopkins subtle cheating stuff. Or study Holyfield's "accidental headbutts"

Maybe that can help you get away with something even as the B side.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 10:40 Not on the scorecards. Not listed in any record book.

Ward took Kovie's heart.

Ward doesn't have a clean victory over Kovalev and never will. Both of his "wins" are tainted, and in a just world wouldn't have happened the way they did.

I'd say this to the man himself if I ever spoke to him. Because other than that I'd have a pleasant conversation with him I expect, but I'd have to acknowledge this to him. Just to let him know that I know.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 15:36 Ya you keep believing that

It's not something I need to believe.

Kovalev lost. It's a fact. Once Ward worked his way inside, Kovalev was lost.

And since that fight, Kovalev has looked either unimpressive or reticent.

Ward took his heart big time. The KO in the rematch was a case of the bully getting his comeuppance.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:17 It's not something I need to believe.

Kovalev lost. It's a fact. Once Ward worked his way inside, Kovalev was lost.

And since that fight, Kovalev has looked either unimpressive or reticent.

Ward took his heart big time. The KO in the rematch was a case of the bully getting his comeuppance.

It sure looked to me that Ward knocked the fight out of Kov in the rematch.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:19 It sure looked to me that Ward knocked the fight out of Kov in the rematch.

3 low blows in a row will do that to a guy.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:20 3 low blows in a row will do that to a guy.

Then do a Breidis. Retaliate.

Kovalev fancied himself Mr.Tough Guy. I'm surprised that he backed away instead of responding like a veteran professional. Fight fire with fire.

Ward was taming the bully.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:20 3 low blows in a row will do that to a guy.

With all due respect, Gil, the ref was right there, clearly seeing those punches land. They weren't on the beltline? The ref was biased? Missed all three?

SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:24 Then do a Breidis. Retaliate.

Kovalev fancied himself Mr.Tough Guy. I'm surprised that he backed away instead of responding like a veteran professional. Fight fire with fire.

Ward was taming the bully.

The bully has never been a dirty fighter. He just didn't have those skills and his trainer didn't prepare him specifically for Ward.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:24 With all due respect, Gil, the ref was right there, clearly seeing those punches land. They weren't on the beltline? The ref was biased? Missed all three?

They were not on the beltline. The ref was probably biased. It is hard to be that blind.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:24 With all due respect, Gil, the ref was right there, clearly seeing those punches land. They weren't on the beltline? The ref was biased? Missed all three?

i mean we can see the punches ourselves

surely u dont believe that just because a ref rules a certain way that = correct ruling

wards just simply better anyway, but those were defo low, its ridiculous to say otherwise, you can pause the video and see that ward was reaching like below the letters on kovs shorts

SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:17 It's not something I need to believe.

Kovalev lost. It's a fact. Once Ward worked his way inside, Kovalev was lost.

And since that fight, Kovalev has looked either unimpressive or reticent.

Ward took his heart big time. The KO in the rematch was a case of the bully getting his comeuppance.

Bring up the rematch all you like but the first fight was a robbery..Kovalev won and even Ward knows that himself

victor-romeo wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 02:12 The "rabbit" punch that Golwacki hit Bredis with was not your average rabbit punch it could have seriously hurt Bredis Bredis responded in kind with a very bad foul of his own. I don't blame him if Kovalev and Lomachenko hit back low against Ward and Salido they might have won their fights but they didn't have enough Bredis in them.

I was super impressed with Bredis today, what a great day of boxing,

I agree with you. I was so disappointed in Kovalev when Ward was teeing off below his belt while the Mafia Vegas referee looked on approvingly, for not giving him back his own medicine. And yes that was a vicious rabbit punch Gol. hit him with. They should have a rematch with a real referee this time. What's with importing a Byrd clan jerkoff from the most corrupt city on earth all the way to Latvia anyway? What was that all about? Aren't there any referees in Latvia?

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 23:30 I agree with you. I was so disappointed in Kovalev when Ward was teeing off below his belt while the Mafia Vegas referee looked on approvingly, for not giving him back his own medicine. And yes that was a vicious rabbit punch Gol. hit him with. They should have a rematch with a real referee this time. What's with importing a Byrd clan jerkoff from the most corrupt city on earth all the way to Latvia anyway? What was that all about? Aren't there any referees in Latvia?

As long as Bredis right hand ok, he will do the same to Glowacki even in rematch.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:24 Then do a Breidis. Retaliate.

Kovalev fancied himself Mr.Tough Guy. I'm surprised that he backed away instead of responding like a veteran professional. Fight fire with fire.

Ward was taming the bully.

I was saying he should've responded in kind the night it happened.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jun 2019, 18:24 With all due respect, Gil, the ref was right there, clearly seeing those punches land. They weren't on the beltline? The ref was biased? Missed all three?

Biased. That's the only excuse. Ward got away with 3 low blows in a row at the end, and at least 3 or 4 others prior to that. Never a warning given.

As for the location of the punches. Look for yourself. They're all obvious low blows. If it was your 1st day reffing you should've noticed that.