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I didn't say they couldn't compete. But I don't think they should be given the credit for any victories, if they've been popped for PEDs. It's only fair.

As for "tainted supplements".... I don't buy it.... I'd like to find a GNC store that sells such "tainted supplements" that make you perform 5, 8, 10 times better than normal. There's no such thing as accidentally tainted anything. It's all purposeful.

Dylian Whyte called Miller a big cabbage and on this occasion I have to agree with him as only a cabbage could concoct such rubbish and talk himself into believing it ..

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑17 Jun 2019, 18:21 You know what would really help in this PED bullshit.... If you get caught even once.... Then your entire boxing record ought to be rendered NO-CONTEST.... Every single fight, because you can't be trusted that your career was ever clean.

That'd stop the bullshit right there. A big asterisk right on your record: KNOWN DRUG CHEAT.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑17 Jun 2019, 20:01 I didn't say they couldn't compete. But I don't think they should be given the credit for any victories, if they've been popped for PEDs. It's only fair.

By that rationale, I guess that means Tyson Fury would have to start over?

elmooxygen wrote: ↑18 Jun 2019, 10:02 By that rationale, I guess that means Tyson Fury would have to start over?

I'd have to re-read the particulars.

From memory both Hughie and Tyson were tested, and the drug testers claimed there was a positive test and after several months (if not a year or better) they reneged saying that there was no positive test or some cockamamie bullshit like that.

BoxRec originally listed the Hammer fight as a NO CONTEST because of this alleged positive test, only to reverse their decision to do so, and it's still seen as a win on his record.

If he was a drug cheat, then I would say yes NC's across the board. No exceptions for anyone. But, Fury never was legitimately busted because the decision was reversed because of lack of evidence.

It wasn't reversed. They didn't charge him until years after and his retirement counted as the suspension. So yeah, you hate your boy.

https://www.BS.com/wilder-pove ... re--140109

Speaking of drug cheats... The lawsuit between Wilder and Povetkin is still ongoing for their fight that never was.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Jun 2019, 18:03 It wasn't reversed. They didn't charge him until years after and his retirement counted as the suspension. So yeah, you hate your boy.

Then he should not have any wins.

This bullshit will never stop until these people are shamed beyond belief and penalized mightily. Take away their distinction as having been a champion or contender altogether and never be allowed entry into the HOF.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑18 Jun 2019, 21:08 https://www.BS.com/wilder-povetkin-late ... re--140109

Speaking of drug cheats... The lawsuit between Wilder and Povetkin is still ongoing for their fight that never was.

You keep repeating the lie about Povetkin even tho it was totally disproved in your very own US law court. The only drug cheat was Wilder, him and his Las Vegas Mafia VADA.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑18 Jun 2019, 21:11 Then he should not have any wins.

This bullshit will never stop until these people are shamed beyond belief and penalized mightily. Take away their distinction as having been a champion or contender altogether and never be allowed entry into the HOF.

Meh, boxings testing was a joke for so long. All sports were. The UFC is the real deal. Their top guys get popped.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑18 Jun 2019, 21:55 You keep repeating the lie about Povetkin even tho it was totally disproved in your very own US law court. The only drug cheat was Wilder, him and his Las Vegas Mafia VADA.

At this point I'm convinced all athlete's are on drugs of some sort or another. For many years nobody could break records, and all of a sudden they get broken every year.

As corrupt as boxing is, though, I'm surprised it's still even legal. On every conceivable level it's corrupt. I'm rapidly becoming a non-fan of the business, and I call it a business because it surely isn't a sport anymore. Hasn't been for a long time. TBH, maybe it never was.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑18 Jun 2019, 22:10 At this point I'm convinced all athlete's are on drugs of some sort or another. For many years nobody could break records, and all of a sudden they get broken every year.

As corrupt as boxing is, though, I'm surprised it's still even legal. On every conceivable level it's corrupt. I'm rapidly becoming a non-fan of the business, and I call it a business because it surely isn't a sport anymore. Hasn't been for a long time. TBH, maybe it never was.

Drugs are everywhere, legal, illegal, quasilegal, even in amateur sports, even in schoolkid sports. It's more a matter of who has the better advisors to mask the drugs and who the drug test crews in Las Vegas and elsewhere look harder at or don't look at at all. That's why I say that at this point in time I'd rather see it all legalized, unless someone goes totally crazy like that deceased bodybuilder who pumped steroids right into his biceps. But legalizing drugs would cut into the big money "war on drugs" rackets.

stevec@france wrote: ↑18 Jun 2019, 07:12 Dylian Whyte called Miller a big cabbage and on this occasion I have to agree with him as only a cabbage could concoct such rubbish and talk himself into believing it ..

I don't think Miller actually concocted this, it reeks of professional spin to me. It happens all the time now, get a bunch of professional liars together to spin a barely plausable bag of bullsh*t and feed it out. And I know bullsh*t when I step in it, believe me.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑18 Jun 2019, 22:10 At this point I'm convinced all athlete's are on drugs of some sort or another. For many years nobody could break records, and all of a sudden they get broken every year.

As corrupt as boxing is, though, I'm surprised it's still even legal. On every conceivable level it's corrupt. I'm rapidly becoming a non-fan of the business, and I call it a business because it surely isn't a sport anymore. Hasn't been for a long time. TBH, maybe it never was.

You're not the only one who feels like this.

Even the career of the golden boy of athletics, Usain Bolt, is more than a little dodgy.

Canelo Alvarez and Tyson Fury have made vast fortunes despite failed tests. Jarell Miller is still hoping to do so.

The fact is there are too many people on boxing's gravy train collecting corn and playing dice to call it a sport. It's a form of business or gambling if you like.

With very little thought to the fans, or concern to those still playing clean.