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boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Jun 2019, 22:35 Ward ducked GGG and fought Rodriguez, Paul Smith, Alexander Brand.

Golovkin just ignored garbage coming of Andrade's mouth, because Andrade is nobody.

Because it's the truth and he knows that.

Hahahaha Andrade is nobody

And who is Steve Rolls?

And who was Martyrosyan?

So which returning troll are you anyway?

Martirosyan is the best opponent Andrade have had. Vanes dropped him and lost a narrow decision.

Yes, Andrade is nobody who was gifted a belt.

Susej_SOG wrote: ↑26 Jun 2019, 22:20 Kid, thats because all the people is saying he is too old, poor guy, he is past prime.

He need to beat another great rival to make the third fight and the fight will be bigger.

Another great rival?
Who? Andrade? Charlo? Saunders? Gimme a break.
And your bitching GGG isn't fighting "great " opponents when your boy just fought Rocky Fielding and Amir Khan.

Susej_SOG wrote: ↑26 Jun 2019, 22:26 Thats a sh.it of career

He has 40 fights and only two good names.

GGG never took risks, he ducked Ward.

He never wanted a fight in 168 .

Nápoles was ducked in 135 and he decided go to 147 and then he fought vs Monzón in 160.

Canelo faced way better rivals and took more risks.

GGG is a diva that is protected by fans and media . But he is full of sh.it

He ducked Andrade and fought vs Rolls...

Lol






Thats because Saunder did not want the fight vs Andrade.

Do you know this?

Quite conceivably one of the worst posters I’ve seen recently.

1. GGG grew up in hell - he’s not ducking anyone.
2. Canelo, I agree has a better resume, but at lighter weights.
3. GGG, on my card and the vast majority of boxing experts, he beat Canelo x 2.
4. Napoles did indeed go from 147 to 160 and got stopped by Monzon (who in my view was better than most middleweights). He then went straight back down to 147. What is your point? If a boxer comfortably makes weight, why go up?
5. Did GGG eat your lunch, steal your girl or spank you about in the gym?
6. There are far worse boxers to criticise; GGG isn’t one of them.
7. Andrade barely beat Martirosyan and Culcay at 154? Do you really think he beats GGG?
8. Canelo’s career will also be tainted after the clenbutoral positive test.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Jun 2019, 22:45 So which returning troll are you anyway?

iron frost

Loki wrote: ↑26 Jun 2019, 22:52 Quite conceivably one of the worst posters I’ve seen recently.

1. GGG grew up in hell - he’s not ducking anyone.
2. Canelo, I agree has a better resume, but at lighter weights.
3. GGG, on my card and the vast majority of boxing experts, he beat Canelo x 2.
4. Napoles did indeed go from 147 to 160 and got stopped by Monzon (who in my view was better than most middleweights). He then went straight back down to 147. What is your point? If a boxer comfortably makes weight, why go up?
5. Did GGG eat your lunch, steal your girl or spank you about in the gym?
6. There are far worse boxers to criticise; GGG isn’t one of them.
7. Andrade barely beat Martirosyan and Culcay at 154? Do you really think he beats GGG?
8. Canelo’s career will also be tainted after the clenbutoral positive test.

..let me add just one more "minor" detail: GGG is a road warrior, I believe most of his fights took place outside of his backyard. We all know what happens to boxers daring to leave their comfort zones, that's the reason why many so-called legends never left them...Having said that, I don't expect him to get any better considering his age...

greg wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 03:56 ..let me add just one more "minor" detail: GGG is a road warrior, I believe most of his fights took place outside of his backyard.

To be fair, he and his family have lived in the US for more than five years and had signed his contract with his "home" broadcaster, the US network HBO, seven years ago. His promotional company, GGG Promotions, is also based on American shores.

Over the last seven years, 84% of his last 18 bouts have been staged in the US. And during the vast majority of that time period, Gennadiy was being trained by Abel Sanchez at his Big Bear gym in California (USA).

I'm not sure about this, but where was his children born?

Therefore, is it reasonable to say that America should be considered as Golovkin's "backyard"?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:16 To be fair, he and his family have lived in the US for more than five years and had signed his contract with his "home" bradcaster, the US network HBO, seven years ago. His promotional company, GGG Promotions, is also based on American shores.

Over the last seven years, 84% of his last 18 bouts have been staged in the US. And during the vast majority of that time period, Gennadiy was being trained by Abel Sanchez at his Big Bear gym in California (USA).

Therefore, is it reasonable to say that America should be considered as Golovkin's "backyard"?

no, it' isn't...I believe you have to take a broader view including his whole career..

greg wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:18 no, it' isn't...I believe you have to take a broader view including his whole career..

Most of his professional career has been in the US. America shouldn't be considered as being foreign territory when he's spent the vast majority of the last seven years living there. It is the home for him and his family. And you can't say otherwise.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:23 Most of his professional career has been in the US. America shouldn't be considered as being foreign territory when he's spent the vast majority of the last seven years living there. It is the home for him and his family. And you can't say otherwise.

hold on, professional career? he had 14 fights in the States out of 41...do the maths..

greg wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:26 hold on, professional career? he had 14 fights in the States out of 41...do the maths..

Look at the dates. Look at where he was training at the time of those bouts. More than half of his career has been spent in the US.

I know you’re looking for excuses to justify embellishing GGG's achievements, but America is his home. It’s where he’s spent the majority of his professional career. For nearly all the bouts he competes in, the majority of the fans are cheering for him, with nearly all of them being American. His family lives in the US. He has multiple homes in the US. His business is based in the US. I’m also pretty sure that himself and his family are US citizens.

And these points aren’t even up for discussion.

Gennadiy may consider himself as being a Kazakh, but America is not foreign soil for him.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:33 Look at the dates. Look at where he was training at the time of those bouts. More than half of his career has been spent in the US.

..like I told you: look at his WHOLE career ffs and do maths..boxing in the States doesn't definititely equate to boxing in his own backyard or are you confusing him with Ward and Co?

greg wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:40 ..like I told you: look at his WHOLE career ffs and do maths..boxing in the States doesn't definititely equate to boxing in his own backyard or are you confusing him with Ward and Co?

Look at the timescales, as in dates, the majority of his professional career has been based, trained and fought on American shores. I don't care about the number of bouts. It's the time period that counts.

American is where he’s spent the majority of his professional career.

I don't know why you have an inability to gauge timescales. America is not foreign soil for a long-time US citizen like GGG. He lives in the USA.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:45 Look at the timescales, as in dates, the majority of his professional career has been based, trained and fought on American shores. I don't care about the number of bouts. It's the time period that counts.

American is where he’s spent the majority of his professional career.

I don't know why you have an inability to gauge timescales. America is not foreign soil for a long-time US citizen like GGG. He lives in the USA.

I've not been aware that he's a long-time USA citizen..since when?

greg wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 05:04 I've not been aware that he's USA citizen..since when?

I watched it on a video. It might have been a HBO. He lives (or has lived) in Southern Calrifornia since 2014. I think two of his children are American born.

It's kind of irrelevant anyway, since the main point I've always maintained and want to focus on is that for the majority of GGG's professional career, he has been based, trained and fought on American shores.

He lives in America on a full-time basis. He has homes in America. His business is based in America. His family live in America. For the vast majority of his bouts since 2012, the crowd's attending his bouts were generally from America and they were mainly cheering for him. He was the crowd favourite.

He has also been one of HBO's biggest stars (in terms of audience figures) since he signed for that network in 2012. For example: GGG’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).

Gennadiy may consider himself as being a Kazakh, but America is not foreign soil for him.

For GGG’s most recent fight, he wasn’t competing in Steve Rolls’ “backyard”, because the crowd were cheering for him!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 05:38 I watched it on a video. It might have been a HBO. He lives (or has lived) in Southern Calrifornia since 2014. I think two of his children are American born.

It's kind of irrelevant anyway, since the main point I've always maintained and want to focus on is that for the majority of GGG's professional career, he has been based, trained and fought on American shores.

He lives in America. He has homes in America. His business is based in America. His family live in America. For the vast majority of his bouts since 2012, the crowd's attending his bouts were generally from America and they were mainly cheering for him. He was the crowd favourite.

He has also been one of HBO's biggest stars (in terms of audience figures) since he signed for that network in 2012. For example: GGG’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).

Gennadiy may consider himself as being a Kazakh, but America is not foreign soil for him.

..neither is it being a backyard as opposed to Ward, Mayweather and Co....

His achievements are all the more astounding being born elsewhere and having fought about 65% of this fights outside of the US ...

..and btw, I'm still waiting for you to prove GGG's a long-time US citizen ..

greg wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 05:51 ..neither is it being a backyard as opposed to Ward, Mayweather and Co....

His achievements are all the more astounding being born elsewhere and having fought about 65% of this fights outside of the US ...

..and btw, I'm still waiting for you to prove GGG's a long-time US citizen ..

The US isn't foreign soil for GGG. More than half of his professional career has been based, trained and fought in America. Almost every single aspect of his live revolves around the US (i.e. his homes, his family, his business, the venue for his fights, his training base, his fan base, his revenue stream, his broadcaster etc.).

In terms of his citizenship, I don't have to prove a damn thing, since this is what I actually wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:33I’m also pretty sure that himself and his family are US citizens.

That's not the same as using the word "definite". By the way, where was his children born?

There's no truth to what you originally wrote:

greg wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 03:56 ..let me add just one more "minor" detail: GGG is a road warrior, I believe most of his fights took place outside of his backyard.

It's silly to claim that GGG is a road warrior for competing in the US, where that country is the home for himself and his family.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 05:57 ...
That's not the same as using the word "definite". By the way, where was his children born?

seems like you are very desperate now..how's that is relevant

stille waiting for a prove GGG's a long -time US citizen...

There's no truth to what you originally wrote:

greg wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 03:56 ..let me add just one more "minor" detail: GGG is a road warrior, I believe most of his fights took place outside of his backyard.

It's silly to claim that GGG is a road warrior for competing in the US, where that country has been the long-term home for himself and his family.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 06:01 There's no truth to what you originally wrote:

It's silly to claim that GGG is a road warrior for competing in the US, where that country has been the long-term home for himself and his family.

still waiting for a proof...

yep and I still claim he's a road warrior

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:45 America is not foreign soil for a long-time US citizen like GGG.

do you have evidence for Golovkin's US citizenship?

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 07:06 do you have evidence for Golovkin's US citizenship?

I originally sad the following, which doesn't imply the word "definite", but he definitely is a long-term resident of the US.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 04:33I’m also pretty sure that himself and his family are US citizens.

I also said the following, which keeps getting ignored.

The US isn't foreign soil for GGG. More than half of his professional career has been based, trained and fought in America. Almost every single aspect of his life revolves around the US (i.e. his homes, his family, his business, the venue for his fights, his training base, his fan base, his revenue stream, his broadcaster etc.).

I wonder why that is? Is the preferred narrative being that GGG is a "road warrior" for his bouts in the US, which implies he was competing in Steve Rolls' "backyard", in a hostile environment fighting in foreign territory?

Is every single aspect of Golovkin's life since 2012 totally irrelevant?

Or is this really more of a debating tactic, whereby overrating the importance of a minor or trivial point is used to undermine the validity of an entire argument that is irrefutable in nature?

People are ignoring the things they can’t disprove and labouring over a single trivial issue, which inevitably results in all the other perfectly valid and factually-accurate points previously discussed being forgotten.

I've seen it all before kid! Keep trying harder! The US is GGG's home and you can't refute that! It isn't foregin territory for him.

This is the point I've originally argued against:

greg wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 03:56 ..let me add just one more "minor" detail: GGG is a road warrior, I believe most of his fights took place outside of his backyard.