Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 06:40
..hard to say unless they fight each other..at the moment they ALL seem beatable..
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Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 09:15
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 09:21
Fury seems the least beatable though. I can imagine several fighters defeating Wilder, Ruiz or Joshua. I give only to Wilder decent chances to defeat Fury (25%-30%), to the rest i wouldnt give more than 10%
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 20:00
I don't understand how this is even a possible view to hold.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 20:31
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 20:45
We don't have one at the moment. The best news is there are several prospects that look like they could dust Wilder, or Fury in a year or so. Out with the mediocre and older, in with the new.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 03:16
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 06:17
Ruiz is the top man now.
Before it was AJ. Then Ruiz beat him. Now he is the man.
I have not seen anything out of Wilder that would make me pick him to beat Ruiz.
Fury is not all the way back yet. Fury from Wlad fight would have toyed with Wilder. Hell the fat and ring rusty version almost did.
Before it was AJ. Then Ruiz beat him. Now he is the man.
I have not seen anything out of Wilder that would make me pick him to beat Ruiz.
Fury is not all the way back yet. Fury from Wlad fight would have toyed with Wilder. Hell the fat and ring rusty version almost did.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 07:14
In terms of ability and the proverbial eye test, I’d personally favour Tyson Fury as being “the man”, but like every other world-rated heavyweight, he has flaws that can be exploited by his peers, which means there’s no clear-cut definitive answer to the question being posed by the thread title.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 07:19
..pending the rematch with Ruiz, I'll give AJ the benefit of the doubt..
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 09:31
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 10:18
Record book shows a draw. It was an awfully close fight.dagilechia wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 03:16I guess because, in his opinion, Wilder lost to Fury. And i agree with him.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 10:26
ruiz jr is the man with the belts, but for me,the man who gives the heavies the most stick is Tyson 
Full credit to Ruiz though,a dangerous and decent competitor with handy boxing skills
Full credit to Ruiz though,a dangerous and decent competitor with handy boxing skills
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 12:53
No doubt and wilders other recent results are much better.oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 10:18Record book shows a draw. It was an awfully close fight.dagilechia wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 03:16
I guess because, in his opinion, Wilder lost to Fury. And i agree with him.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 13:12
dagilechia wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 03:16I guess because, in his opinion, Wilder lost to Fury. And i agree with him.
If Fury had stayed down one second longer, there would be no arguing Wilder is #1. So he has to be considered a candidate for #1 in a logical sense.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 13:19
Efe is this generation's Ibeabuchi. If he doesn't flame out like Ike then he has world title potential. And I do think he and Hrgovic will both be top 5 some day.
I know you favor Hrgovic but I see that as a 50/50 fight. The Demirezen fight is a good indicator. If he beats Demirezen easily, I'd take him over Hrgovic. If he struggles with Demirezen, then he probably loses to Hrgovic. ....And If he loses to Demirezen then I will admit Hrgovic likely beats him easily.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 13:25
If Michael Moorer had stayed down one second less, George Foreman's punch would be a historical footnote.SportsRatings wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 13:12dagilechia wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 03:16
I guess because, in his opinion, Wilder lost to Fury. And i agree with him.
If Fury had stayed down one second longer, there would be no arguing Wilder is #1. So he has to be considered a candidate for #1 in a logical sense.
If one of Sam Peter's three KD blows had kept Wlad down, perhaps he would've been seen as better than Wlad.
Big punches here and there don't necessarily settle things.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 13:45
I rate Hrgovic better right now. I'm a huge Efe fan. I just know he needs more time to develop.SportsRatings wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 13:19Efe is this generation's Ibeabuchi. If he doesn't flame out like Ike then he has world title potential. And I do think he and Hrgovic will both be top 5 some day.
I know you favor Hrgovic but I see that as a 50/50 fight. The Demirezen fight is a good indicator. If he beats Demirezen easily, I'd take him over Hrgovic. If he struggles with Demirezen, then he probably loses to Hrgovic. ....And If he loses to Demirezen then I will admit Hrgovic likely beats him easily.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 14:19
If a mother had a dick she would be a father. The fact is - Wilder didn't knocked out Fury and most of people agree that Fury won. Hovewer, i understand why some people favour DW in a rematch.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 14:37
The fact is it was a draw, and a just one.dagilechia wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 14:19 If a mother had a dick she would be a father. The fact is - Wilder didn't knocked out Fury and most of people agree that Fury won. Hovewer, i understand why some people favour DW in a rematch.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 14:48
And Chisora lost to Helenius and FMJ-Canelo was arguably a draw. I don't care about the judges scorecards for obvious reason, if someone does - his choice.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 08 Jul 2019, 16:09
You shouldn't in situations like that. This fight doesn't resemble either of them. It was very uneventful except for fury getting floored and lacking in action to the point that the majority of the other rounds could go either way. Silly to pretend otherwise.dagilechia wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 14:48 And Chisora lost to Helenius and FMJ-Canelo was arguably a draw. I don't care about the judges scorecards for obvious reason, if ensomeone does - his choice.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 09 Jul 2019, 18:18
If you try to list a half-dozen or so of those rounds that could have gone either way, it's statistically likely that a good three of them will be rounds where Tyson Fury clearly displayed superior ring generalship, avoided almost all of Wilder's power punches, outlanded him with jabs, and probably outlanded him overall.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 09 Jul 2019, 19:18
Mayweather vs Canelo was a shutout. Not the least bit comparable to Wilder vs Fury.dagilechia wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 14:48 And Chisora lost to Helenius and FMJ-Canelo was arguably a draw. I don't care about the judges scorecards for obvious reason, if someone does - his choice.
Re: top heavy at the moment
Posted: 09 Jul 2019, 23:43
Sure, under a microscope and the better vantage point of TV. Wilder was more aggressive and landed the more telling blows. If a guy lands 4 jabs to 1 right hand it's not corrupt judging to score aggression or think something close landed.squiggy wrote: ↑09 Jul 2019, 18:18 If you try to list a half-dozen or so of those rounds that could have gone either way, it's statistically likely that a good three of them will be rounds where Tyson Fury clearly displayed superior ring generalship, avoided almost all of Wilder's power punches, outlanded him with jabs, and probably outlanded him overall.