BJS: “Gennadiy Golovkin, I’m calling you out in your home country [Kazakhstan].”

[Cyclops]

This kind of argue needs blah, blah, blah... blah, blah

I didn't read what you wrote, but I'm pretty sure your edit of Apollo's post sums it up.

[apollo creed]

This kind of argue needs blah, blah, blah... blah, blah

Your repetitive quoting of someone else's insults, doesn't detract from the fact that my words are accurate.

The very same misconception or myth about GGG has been repeated over-and-over again to the point that it has eventually displaced the objective truth of reality.

The same “Golovkin has been ducked” lie has been repeated so often that it has become overly-familiar, to the point that it leaves the false impression to mainstream casuals that it must be true, because so many other people seemingly believe in the very same myth.

Repetition increases the acceptance of lies and people become upset whenever someone challenges the validity of the myths they believe in, when they’re confronted with a set of facts they’re unable to refute, then this usually results in them feeling compelled resort to insults, because they’re powerless to do otherwise.

Let me attach again this very realistically description of you to understand it, appreciate it and eventually accept it as a truth about your personality.


User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like E.O :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "

[KiwiRider]

Smith and his team have turned down a 7 figure offer for the fight.

Yeah a multi-M's fight offer from BJS. lol BJS's history of 'big fight deals' talks for itself .

If only Billy spent more time actually fighting rather than unsubstantiated call outs.
Career wasted

[Enlightened-One]

Gennadiy ‘The Businessman’ Golovkin and his team have made the following business decisions:

• Rejected the opportunity to challenge for Peter Quillin’s WBO world middleweight title
• Declined interest in facing his own WBC mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, claiming there were bigger fights for him
• Declined interest in engaging in a rematch against Danny Jacobs, stating it could only happen in four or five fights’ time, despite their first encounter being moderately controversial in nature
• Walked away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions (once in 2017 and again the following year), despite the Brit having agreed terms (as confirmed by Tom Loeffler)
• Chose to vacate his IBF world middleweight title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, the Kazakh instead preferred to fight Vanes Martirosyan (a man that never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years).
• Despite being the WBO’s highest-rated contender, GGG chose to face the unheralded Steve Rolls (a fighter that had never beaten anyone of note), rather than challenge for Demetrius Andrade’s world middleweight title

Like I said before, if Gennadiy Golovkin is unable to secure a bout against Canelo next, then he won’t face anyone notable, despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.

[greg]

Gennadiy ‘The Businessman’ Golovkin and his team have made the following business decisions:

• Rejected the opportunity to challenge for Peter Quillin’s WBO world middleweight title
• Declined interest in facing his own WBC mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, claiming there were bigger fights for him
• Declined interest in engaging in a rematch against Danny Jacobs, stating it could only happen in four or five fights’ time, despite their first encounter being moderately controversial in nature
• Walked away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions (once in 2017 and again the following year), despite the Brit having agreed terms (as confirmed by Tom Loeffler)
• Chose to vacate his IBF world middleweight title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, the Kazakh instead preferred to fight Vanes Martirosyan (a man that never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years).
• Despite being the WBO’s highest-rated contender, GGG chose to face the unheralded Steve Rolls (a fighter that had never beaten anyone of note), rather than challenge for Demetrius Andrade’s world middleweight title

Like I said before, if Gennadiy Golovkin is unable to secure a bout against Canelo next, then he won’t face anyone notable, despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.

you are surely aware that those above were/are not the ONLY business decisions made by GGG team over the years that allowed him to dominate the scene for a long time till he eventually got screwed (as largely expected) in Las Vegas..are you willing to concentrate only on those above to distort the whole picture?

[Enlightened-One]

Gennadiy ‘The Businessman’ Golovkin and his team have made the following business decisions:

• Rejected the opportunity to challenge for Peter Quillin’s WBO world middleweight title
• Declined interest in facing his own WBC mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, claiming there were bigger fights for him
• Declined interest in engaging in a rematch against Danny Jacobs, stating it could only happen in four or five fights’ time, despite their first encounter being moderately controversial in nature
• Walked away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions (once in 2017 and again the following year), despite the Brit having agreed terms (as confirmed by Tom Loeffler)
• Chose to vacate his IBF world middleweight title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, the Kazakh instead preferred to fight Vanes Martirosyan (a man that never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years).
• Despite being the WBO’s highest-rated contender, GGG chose to face the unheralded Steve Rolls (a fighter that had never beaten anyone of note), rather than challenge for Demetrius Andrade’s world middleweight title

Like I said before, if Gennadiy Golovkin is unable to secure a bout against Canelo next, then he won’t face anyone notable, despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.

you are surely aware that those above were/are not the ONLY business decisions made by GGG team over the years that allowed him to dominate the scene for a long time till he eventually got screwed (as largely expected) in Las Vegas..are you willing to concentrate only on those above to distort the whole picture?

I have sang GGG’s praises on multiple occasions, but I prefer to remain objective and consistent at all times, which means that I'm willing to criticise Team Golovkin whenever they decide to make the same sort dubious business decisions that other fighters make.

At the moment, fight fans tend to apply double-standards and act in a hypocritical manner, by fabricating fictional excuses for Team GGG’s questionable conduct, whilst aggressively ridiculing others for conducting themselves in a similar manner.

The points I’ve raised above are usually swept under the carpet and ignored by GGG’s legion of fans, despite them being true. For them, Golovkin can do no wrong and is considered immune from receiving criticism.

For some strange reason, fight fans are criticising Billy Joe Saunders for calling out GGG, despite the fact Tom Loeffler has already confirmed that the Brit had previously agreed terms to face Golovkin on two separate occasions, with Gennadiy ultimately deciding to walk away from those bouts.

And it seems that Gennadiy Golovkin won't ever consider the possibility to face Billy Joe Saunders, preferring to engage in bouts with the likes of Vanes Martirosyan and Steve Rolls instead:

[greg]

...surely there've been reasons in favor of this of that "unpopular" business decision...not being an insider makes it difficult to comprehend them and even less so to accept...what I'm saying I guess is that you are trying too hard ...

[Cyclops]

Gennadiy ‘The Businessman’ Golovkin and his team have made the following business decisions:

• Rejected the opportunity to challenge for Peter Quillin’s WBO world middleweight title
• Declined interest in facing his own WBC mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, claiming there were bigger fights for him
• Declined interest in engaging in a rematch against Danny Jacobs, stating it could only happen in four or five fights’ time, despite their first encounter being moderately controversial in nature
• Walked away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions (once in 2017 and again the following year), despite the Brit having agreed terms (as confirmed by Tom Loeffler)
• Chose to vacate his IBF world middleweight title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, the Kazakh instead preferred to fight Vanes Martirosyan (a man that never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years).
• Despite being the WBO’s highest-rated contender, GGG chose to face the unheralded Steve Rolls (a fighter that had never beaten anyone of note), rather than challenge for Demetrius Andrade’s world middleweight title

Like I said before, if Gennadiy Golovkin is unable to secure a bout against Canelo next, then he won’t face anyone notable, despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.

You obviously like looking at a computer screen and typing so I'm going to set you a task. Try typing into Google the names Miguel Cotto, Saul Alvarez, Carl Froch, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr, even your big pal Peter Quillin, and look for articles in Golovkin's prime (let's say.... 2013 to 2016?) and you come back with your extensively researched results, OK?

[Enlightened-One]

Gennadiy ‘The Businessman’ Golovkin and his team have made the following business decisions:

• Rejected the opportunity to challenge for Peter Quillin’s WBO world middleweight title
• Declined interest in facing his own WBC mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, claiming there were bigger fights for him
• Declined interest in engaging in a rematch against Danny Jacobs, stating it could only happen in four or five fights’ time, despite their first encounter being moderately controversial in nature
• Walked away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions (once in 2017 and again the following year), despite the Brit having agreed terms (as confirmed by Tom Loeffler)
• Chose to vacate his IBF world middleweight title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, the Kazakh instead preferred to fight Vanes Martirosyan (a man that never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years).
• Despite being the WBO’s highest-rated contender, GGG chose to face the unheralded Steve Rolls (a fighter that had never beaten anyone of note), rather than challenge for Demetrius Andrade’s world middleweight title

Like I said before, if Gennadiy Golovkin is unable to secure a bout against Canelo next, then he won’t face anyone notable, despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.

You obviously like looking at a computer screen and typing so I'm going to set you a task. Try typing into Google the names Miguel Cotto, Saul Alvarez, Carl Froch, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr, even your big pal Peter Quillin, and look for articles in Golovkin's prime (let's say.... 2013 to 2016?) and you come back with your extensively researched results, OK?

Not until you provide an explanation of each scenario? You're not suggesting that K2 submitted offers to the fighters you've listed and they were subsequently rejected, are you? There's no evidence to suggest that this was the case.

[Cyclops]

You obviously like looking at a computer screen and typing so I'm going to set you a task. Try typing into Google the names Miguel Cotto, Saul Alvarez, Carl Froch, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr, even your big pal Peter Quillin, and look for articles in Golovkin's prime (let's say.... 2013 to 2016?) and you come back with your extensively researched results, OK?

Not until you provide an explanation of each scenario? You're not suggesting that K2 submitted offers to the fighters you've listed and they were subsequently rejected, are you? There's no evidence to suggest that this was the case.

Way back in the thread I was talking about GGG being avoided in his prime. You disagreed but have thus far provided no evidence to substantiate your claim. I expect three hundred words on it by this afternoon, with references.

[Enlightened-One]

Not until you provide an explanation of each scenario? You're not suggesting that K2 submitted offers to the fighters you've listed and they were subsequently rejected, are you? There's no evidence to suggest that this was the case.

Way back in the thread I was talking about GGG being avoided in his prime. You disagreed but have thus far provided no evidence to substantiate your claim. I expect three hundred words on it by this afternoon, with references.

You're just being lazy. Making vague accusations without bothering to explain the point you're trying to make.

I think I'll ignore your time-wasting tactics.

[Cyclops]

Way back in the thread I was talking about GGG being avoided in his prime. You disagreed but have thus far provided no evidence to substantiate your claim. I expect three hundred words on it by this afternoon, with references.

You're just being lazy. Making vague accusations without bothering to explain the point you're trying to make.

I think I'll ignore your time-wasting tactics.

That's it mate, pick up your ball and go home crying.

[Enlightened-One]

You're just being lazy. Making vague accusations without bothering to explain the point you're trying to make.

I think I'll ignore your time-wasting tactics.

That's it mate, pick up your ball and go home crying.

I don't have anything to argue against or research if you won't explain yourself.

[boxing_rocks]

That's it mate, pick up your ball and go home crying.

I don't have anything to argue against or research if you won't explain yourself.

Why do you think that anybody here wants you to argue? Just go away.

[Enlightened-One]

Gennady Golovkin asked about Demetrius Andrade:

“I’ve been a champion multiple-times. I’ve been a champion for a long-time. I’m now at a point of my career where I am wiser and learned from previous fights. So, I would like to fight good fights. Whether these fights are going to be championship fights or not, it’s not as important as the quality of the fight.”

This essentially means that GGG is no longer bothered about belts and won’t consider facing awkward risky guys that won’t provide him with a huge payday:



Within the last twelve months, Team GGG have declined interest in facing the likes of Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade and Derevyanchenko.

[boxing_rocks]

Gennady Golovkin asked about Demetrius Andrade:

“I’ve been a champion multiple-times. I’ve been a champion for a long-time. I’m now at a point of my career where I am wiser and learned from previous fights. So, I would like to fight good fights. Whether these fights are going to be championship fights or not, it’s not as important as the quality of the fight.”

This essentially means that GGG is no longer bothered about belts and won’t consider facing awkward risky guys that won’t provide him with a huge payday:



Within the last twelve months, Team GGG has declined interest in facing the likes of Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade and Derevyanchenko.

That is your hateful INTERPRETATION of Golovkin's words. Nobody wants to see Andrade's snooze fests which is why Golovkin, Canelo, Jacobs, Charlo, Derevo don't want to fight him.

You also know that Saunders fight in 2017 was cancelled, because DLH insisted on that and Derevo/Charlo/Jacobs were not even considered, because of the rematch with Canelo, but you still keep spitting your lying hate.

[Enlightened-One]

Gennady Golovkin asked about Demetrius Andrade:

“I’ve been a champion multiple-times. I’ve been a champion for a long-time. I’m now at a point of my career where I am wiser and learned from previous fights. So, I would like to fight good fights. Whether these fights are going to be championship fights or not, it’s not as important as the quality of the fight.”

This essentially means that GGG is no longer bothered about belts and won’t consider facing awkward risky guys that won’t provide him with a huge payday:



Within the last twelve months, Team GGG has declined interest in facing the likes of Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade and Derevyanchenko.

That is your hateful INTERPRETATION of Golovkin's words. Nobody wants to see Andrade's snooze fests which is why Golovkin, Canelo, Jacobs, Charlo, Derevo don't want to fight him.

You also know that Saunders fight in 2017 was cancelled, because DLH insisted on that and Derevo/Charlo/Jacobs were not even considered, because of the rematch with Canelo, but you still keep spitting your lying hate.

Yet I am always able to quote Team GGG's words justifying my claim that they have declined interest in facing the likes of Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade and Derevyanchenko. It happened and I believe you know this also.

Gennadiy was asked a rather simple question in his native tongue and he chose to provide a diplomatic and vague answer, which essentially confirmed his disinterest in facing Demetrius Andrade. He said "NO", without actually using that word. It's as simple as that.

I quoted his words verbatim and I did not misrepresent them either.

I have previously provided other videos of GGG expressing a lack of interest in facing Andrade. Do you still believe I'm lying?

Here's Andrade's version of events:

"DAZN tried to make the fight between GGG and I as soon as he signed [with DAZN]. Tom Loeffler and GGG said - 'Absolutely not! We aren’t fighting Andrade in our first DAZN fight.' Oscar De La Hoya and Canelo know that, which is why they are telling GGG to get a belt," Andrade stated.

"I wouldn't be fighting Sulecki and GGG wouldn’t have fought Steve Rolls - if GGG would have accepted a fight with me. GGG is #1 in the World Boxing Organization, he was given the opportunity to fight me and said 'no way.' Truth!"

Demetrius’ words seem fairly accurate to me, since we know for certain that:

• During mid-March, De La Hoya and Canelo both asked GGG to gain a world title prior to engaging in a rematch (as the Mexican wanted to unify the middleweight division prior to the end of 2019)
• Two weeks prior to GGG announcing his June 8th fight date (on the 5th March), Gennadiy was installed as the WBO’s highest-rated title challenger. And during mid-April, Golovkin announced the Rolls fight three weeks prior to Andrade-Sulecki became official. Both bouts were televised by DAZN during June (within three weeks of each other).

[boxing_rocks]

Lies * hate

F*ck off, hater.

[Enlightened-One]

Lies * hate

F*ck off, hater.

Why create a fictitious quote?

I am not a Golovkin hater. I am, however, conveying the words that were actually uttered from members of Team GGG’s mouths..

[Enlightened-One]

"NOTES FROM THE BOXING UNDERGROUND"

From the June 10 Notes from the Boxing Underground, post-Gennady Golovkin’s annihilation of Steve Rolls:

“At the post-fight press conference Saturday night, Golovkin was peppered with questions about non-Canelo middleweight threats such as Daniel Jacobs, Demetrius Andrade, and Jermall Charlo. His response was fully non-committal and more than a little dismissive.

After ditching the idea of fighting Jacobs a second time because there are ‘new fighters’ out there, undefeated and deserving of a shot, he then ditched the idea of facing those undefeated, deserving ‘new fighters.’

‘Let them fight each other,’ he said via interpreter, referring specifically to Charlo and Andrade.

‘I can’t right now,’ he added in his own voice.”

This snippet of boxing life came to mind while I was thinking about Demetrius Andrade and Jermall Charlo, who find themselves waiting on big-money middleweight opportunities that should’ve already come their way.

[greg]

I think it's about time everyone understood how it works: there are boxers who are on DAZN list and those who aren't..if Charlo and Andrade aren't among them, GGG won't fight them, simple as that...

[Enlightened-One]

I think it's about time everyone understood how it works: there are boxers who are on DAZN list and those who aren't..if Charlo and Andrade aren't among them, GGG won't fight them, simple as that...

I think it's about time everyone understood how it works: Andrade is a Matchroom fighter who has competed on DAZN a few times and people should pay attention to his words:

"DAZN tried to make the fight between GGG and I as soon as he signed [with DAZN]. Tom Loeffler and GGG said - 'Absolutely not! We aren’t fighting Andrade in our first DAZN fight.' Oscar De La Hoya and Canelo know that, which is why they are telling GGG to get a belt," Andrade stated.

"I wouldn't be fighting Sulecki and GGG wouldn’t have fought Steve Rolls - if GGG would have accepted a fight with me. GGG is #1 in the World Boxing Organization, he was given the opportunity to fight me and said 'no way.' Truth!"

I have already submitted several posts quoting GGG's reluctance to consider facing Demetrius Andrade (twice in this thread and a couple elsewhere).

There’s nothing preventing Golovkin from facing any of the other guys either.

If you think otherwise, then let’s discuss it, but before you do that, check the political situation beforehand.

[greg]

it is difficult to objectively assess the situation not being an insider, the boxer saying this or that is just the tip of the iceberg..I'm not convinced at this point GGG went after Rolls while DAZN insisted on boxing Andraide..

[Enlightened-One]

it is difficult to objectively assess the situation not being an insider, the boxer saying this or that is just the tip of the iceberg..I'm not convinced at this point GGG went after Rolls while DAZN insisted on boxing Andraide..

Demetrius Andrade, Danny Jacobs, Jermall Charlo, Billy Joe Saunders and Sergiy Derevyanchenko would have all been capable of competing on DAZN.

Gennady Golovkin is self-managed and self-promoted. He is ultimately responsible for his own opponents’. He has been interviewed on multiple occasions and has consistently expressed his disinterest about facing any of those guys and I have provided proof of this on multiple occasions.

GGG doesn’t want to take any unnecessary risks that might scupper the Canelo jackpot. It’s as simple as that!

He’s a “businessman” and a veteran that is looking to secure one final huge payday. Gennadiy doesn’t want to take ownership of one of the world titles and have the sports’ governing bodies dictate to him who he should and should not fight next. He wants an easy ride until Canelo eventually agrees to the rematch.

[Counter-puncher]

dude, just go out there and lose your virginity. pay if you have to.