Re: BJS: “Gennadiy Golovkin, I’m calling you out in your home country [Kazakhstan].”
Posted: 07 Jul 2019, 13:03
I didn't read what you wrote, but I'm pretty sure your edit of Apollo's post sums it up.
I didn't read what you wrote, but I'm pretty sure your edit of Apollo's post sums it up.
Let me attach again this very realistically description of you to understand it, appreciate it and eventually accept it as a truth about your personality.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 12:47Your repetitive quoting of someone else's insults, doesn't detract from the fact that my words are accurate.
The very same misconception or myth about GGG has been repeated over-and-over again to the point that it has eventually displaced the objective truth of reality.
The same “Golovkin has been ducked” lie has been repeated so often that it has become overly-familiar, to the point that it leaves the false impression to mainstream casuals that it must be true, because so many other people seemingly believe in the very same myth.
Repetition increases the acceptance of lies and people become upset whenever someone challenges the validity of the myths they believe in, when they’re confronted with a set of facts they’re unable to refute, then this usually results in them feeling compelled resort to insults, because they’re powerless to do otherwise.
If only Billy spent more time actually fighting rather than unsubstantiated call outs.apollo creed wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 08:41Yeah a multi-M's fight offer from BJS. lolNightmare Roy wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 07:24
Smith and his team have turned down a 7 figure offer for the fight.![]()
BJS's history of 'big fight deals' talks for itself
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you are surely aware that those above were/are not the ONLY business decisions made by GGG team over the years that allowed him to dominate the scene for a long time till he eventually got screwed (as largely expected) in Las Vegas..are you willing to concentrate only on those above to distort the whole picture?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 05:12 Gennadiy ‘The Businessman’ Golovkin and his team have made the following business decisions:
• Rejected the opportunity to challenge for Peter Quillin’s WBO world middleweight title
• Declined interest in facing his own WBC mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, claiming there were bigger fights for him
• Declined interest in engaging in a rematch against Danny Jacobs, stating it could only happen in four or five fights’ time, despite their first encounter being moderately controversial in nature
• Walked away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions (once in 2017 and again the following year), despite the Brit having agreed terms (as confirmed by Tom Loeffler)
• Chose to vacate his IBF world middleweight title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, the Kazakh instead preferred to fight Vanes Martirosyan (a man that never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years).
• Despite being the WBO’s highest-rated contender, GGG chose to face the unheralded Steve Rolls (a fighter that had never beaten anyone of note), rather than challenge for Demetrius Andrade’s world middleweight title
Like I said before, if Gennadiy Golovkin is unable to secure a bout against Canelo next, then he won’t face anyone notable, despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.
I have sang GGG’s praises on multiple occasions, but I prefer to remain objective and consistent at all times, which means that I'm willing to criticise Team Golovkin whenever they decide to make the same sort dubious business decisions that other fighters make.greg wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 05:30you are surely aware that those above were/are not the ONLY business decisions made by GGG team over the years that allowed him to dominate the scene for a long time till he eventually got screwed (as largely expected) in Las Vegas..are you willing to concentrate only on those above to distort the whole picture?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 05:12 Gennadiy ‘The Businessman’ Golovkin and his team have made the following business decisions:
• Rejected the opportunity to challenge for Peter Quillin’s WBO world middleweight title
• Declined interest in facing his own WBC mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, claiming there were bigger fights for him
• Declined interest in engaging in a rematch against Danny Jacobs, stating it could only happen in four or five fights’ time, despite their first encounter being moderately controversial in nature
• Walked away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions (once in 2017 and again the following year), despite the Brit having agreed terms (as confirmed by Tom Loeffler)
• Chose to vacate his IBF world middleweight title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, the Kazakh instead preferred to fight Vanes Martirosyan (a man that never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years).
• Despite being the WBO’s highest-rated contender, GGG chose to face the unheralded Steve Rolls (a fighter that had never beaten anyone of note), rather than challenge for Demetrius Andrade’s world middleweight title
Like I said before, if Gennadiy Golovkin is unable to secure a bout against Canelo next, then he won’t face anyone notable, despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.
You obviously like looking at a computer screen and typing so I'm going to set you a task. Try typing into Google the names Miguel Cotto, Saul Alvarez, Carl Froch, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr, even your big pal Peter Quillin, and look for articles in Golovkin's prime (let's say.... 2013 to 2016?) and you come back with your extensively researched results, OK?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 05:12 Gennadiy ‘The Businessman’ Golovkin and his team have made the following business decisions:
• Rejected the opportunity to challenge for Peter Quillin’s WBO world middleweight title
• Declined interest in facing his own WBC mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, claiming there were bigger fights for him
• Declined interest in engaging in a rematch against Danny Jacobs, stating it could only happen in four or five fights’ time, despite their first encounter being moderately controversial in nature
• Walked away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions (once in 2017 and again the following year), despite the Brit having agreed terms (as confirmed by Tom Loeffler)
• Chose to vacate his IBF world middleweight title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, the Kazakh instead preferred to fight Vanes Martirosyan (a man that never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years).
• Despite being the WBO’s highest-rated contender, GGG chose to face the unheralded Steve Rolls (a fighter that had never beaten anyone of note), rather than challenge for Demetrius Andrade’s world middleweight title
Like I said before, if Gennadiy Golovkin is unable to secure a bout against Canelo next, then he won’t face anyone notable, despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.
Not until you provide an explanation of each scenario? You're not suggesting that K2 submitted offers to the fighters you've listed and they were subsequently rejected, are you? There's no evidence to suggest that this was the case.clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 05:52You obviously like looking at a computer screen and typing so I'm going to set you a task. Try typing into Google the names Miguel Cotto, Saul Alvarez, Carl Froch, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr, even your big pal Peter Quillin, and look for articles in Golovkin's prime (let's say.... 2013 to 2016?) and you come back with your extensively researched results, OK?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 05:12 Gennadiy ‘The Businessman’ Golovkin and his team have made the following business decisions:
• Rejected the opportunity to challenge for Peter Quillin’s WBO world middleweight title
• Declined interest in facing his own WBC mandatory challenger, Jermall Charlo, claiming there were bigger fights for him
• Declined interest in engaging in a rematch against Danny Jacobs, stating it could only happen in four or five fights’ time, despite their first encounter being moderately controversial in nature
• Walked away from bouts against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions (once in 2017 and again the following year), despite the Brit having agreed terms (as confirmed by Tom Loeffler)
• Chose to vacate his IBF world middleweight title rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, the Kazakh instead preferred to fight Vanes Martirosyan (a man that never beaten a top fighter, had been inactive for two years, wasn’t a middleweight and had only won one fight in within the previous 3½ years).
• Despite being the WBO’s highest-rated contender, GGG chose to face the unheralded Steve Rolls (a fighter that had never beaten anyone of note), rather than challenge for Demetrius Andrade’s world middleweight title
Like I said before, if Gennadiy Golovkin is unable to secure a bout against Canelo next, then he won’t face anyone notable, despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.
Way back in the thread I was talking about GGG being avoided in his prime. You disagreed but have thus far provided no evidence to substantiate your claim. I expect three hundred words on it by this afternoon, with references.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 05:57Not until you provide an explanation of each scenario? You're not suggesting that K2 submitted offers to the fighters you've listed and they were subsequently rejected, are you? There's no evidence to suggest that this was the case.clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 05:52
You obviously like looking at a computer screen and typing so I'm going to set you a task. Try typing into Google the names Miguel Cotto, Saul Alvarez, Carl Froch, Billy Joe Saunders, Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr, even your big pal Peter Quillin, and look for articles in Golovkin's prime (let's say.... 2013 to 2016?) and you come back with your extensively researched results, OK?
You're just being lazy. Making vague accusations without bothering to explain the point you're trying to make.clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 06:03Way back in the thread I was talking about GGG being avoided in his prime. You disagreed but have thus far provided no evidence to substantiate your claim. I expect three hundred words on it by this afternoon, with references.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 05:57
Not until you provide an explanation of each scenario? You're not suggesting that K2 submitted offers to the fighters you've listed and they were subsequently rejected, are you? There's no evidence to suggest that this was the case.
That's it mate, pick up your ball and go home crying.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 06:05You're just being lazy. Making vague accusations without bothering to explain the point you're trying to make.clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 06:03
Way back in the thread I was talking about GGG being avoided in his prime. You disagreed but have thus far provided no evidence to substantiate your claim. I expect three hundred words on it by this afternoon, with references.
I think I'll ignore your time-wasting tactics.![]()
I don't have anything to argue against or research if you won't explain yourself.clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 06:07That's it mate, pick up your ball and go home crying.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 06:05
You're just being lazy. Making vague accusations without bothering to explain the point you're trying to make.
I think I'll ignore your time-wasting tactics.![]()
Why do you think that anybody here wants you to argue? Just go away.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 06:16I don't have anything to argue against or research if you won't explain yourself.
That is your hateful INTERPRETATION of Golovkin's words. Nobody wants to see Andrade's snooze fests which is why Golovkin, Canelo, Jacobs, Charlo, Derevo don't want to fight him.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 11:06 Gennady Golovkin asked about Demetrius Andrade:
“I’ve been a champion multiple-times. I’ve been a champion for a long-time. I’m now at a point of my career where I am wiser and learned from previous fights. So, I would like to fight good fights. Whether these fights are going to be championship fights or not, it’s not as important as the quality of the fight.”
This essentially means that GGG is no longer bothered about belts and won’t consider facing awkward risky guys that won’t provide him with a huge payday:
Within the last twelve months, Team GGG has declined interest in facing the likes of Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade and Derevyanchenko.
Yet I am always able to quote Team GGG's words justifying my claim that they have declined interest in facing the likes of Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade and Derevyanchenko. It happened and I believe you know this also.boxing_rocks wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 11:17That is your hateful INTERPRETATION of Golovkin's words. Nobody wants to see Andrade's snooze fests which is why Golovkin, Canelo, Jacobs, Charlo, Derevo don't want to fight him.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 11:06 Gennady Golovkin asked about Demetrius Andrade:
“I’ve been a champion multiple-times. I’ve been a champion for a long-time. I’m now at a point of my career where I am wiser and learned from previous fights. So, I would like to fight good fights. Whether these fights are going to be championship fights or not, it’s not as important as the quality of the fight.”
This essentially means that GGG is no longer bothered about belts and won’t consider facing awkward risky guys that won’t provide him with a huge payday:
Within the last twelve months, Team GGG has declined interest in facing the likes of Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade and Derevyanchenko.
You also know that Saunders fight in 2017 was cancelled, because DLH insisted on that and Derevo/Charlo/Jacobs were not even considered, because of the rematch with Canelo, but you still keep spitting your lying hate.
F*ck off, hater.
Why create a fictitious quote?
I think it's about time everyone understood how it works: Andrade is a Matchroom fighter who has competed on DAZN a few times and people should pay attention to his words:
Demetrius Andrade, Danny Jacobs, Jermall Charlo, Billy Joe Saunders and Sergiy Derevyanchenko would have all been capable of competing on DAZN.