ironbeard wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 21:26
I think that Hitman Jr. has peaked due to lack of quality opposition. Hope I am wrong. He was not that impressive v Khan.
I thought he was. I remember it being a whitewash - I don't remember Khan being competitive at all. Thus Crawford was impressive as you could be against Khan, without having that one punch KO power. Every other boxer Khans faced has at least lost some rounds to him.
ironbeard wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 21:26
I think that Hitman Jr. has peaked due to lack of quality opposition. Hope I am wrong. He was not that impressive v Khan.
I thought he was. I remember it being a whitewash - I don't remember Khan being competitive at all. Thus Crawford was impressive as you could be against Khan, without having that one punch KO power. Every other boxer Khans faced has at least lost some rounds to him.
Barring B Prescott.
Khan is not what he once was. Crawford his losing is edge by not fighting top end comp. I get that he has been adapting to welter, but that sand has passed through the hourglass. Pac, Once Upon A Time, Spence, and Porter are fighting better comp right now.
I thought he was. I remember it being a whitewash - I don't remember Khan being competitive at all. Thus Crawford was impressive as you could be against Khan, without having that one punch KO power. Every other boxer Khans faced has at least lost some rounds to him.
Barring B Prescott.
Khan is not what he once was. Crawford his losing is edge by not fighting top end comp. I get that he has been adapting to welter, but that sand has passed through the hourglass. Pac, Once Upon A Time, Spence, and Porter are fighting better comp right now.
almost as though his careers gotten a bit ....boring maybe
ironbeard wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 00:47
Khan is not what he once was. Crawford his losing is edge by not fighting top end comp. I get that he has been adapting to welter, but that sand has passed through the hourglass. Pac, Once Upon A Time, Spence, and Porter are fighting better comp right now.
almost as though his careers gotten a bit ....boring maybe
Crawford has never had to put in even 3rd gear in his whole career, imo. It is kind of like a Challenger Demon running the quarter mile v nothing but V4s and at most V6s.
I’ve lost patience with Terence Crawford, not because I don’t think he’s a really talented fighter, but because of the underwhelming opponents he continually faces.
For sure, Egidijus Kavaliauskas is no journeyman, but he’s not one of the welterweight division’s biggest names either.
Bud’s affiliation with Top Rank is likely to ensure his career follows a similar path to Gilberto Ramirez.
Both guys are highly-rated but never seem to face any of their big-name rivals. They’ve become irrelevant, since none of us expects either of them to engage in significant bouts against marquee opposition.
Bob Arum talks a lot and blames others for his own failure to secure big fights for his stable, but he is ultimately responsible for Crawford and Ramirez’s plights.
In my mind, Crawford and Ramirez are underachievers. And both men should have known that renewing their contracts with Top Rank would adversely affect their legacies to an enormous degree.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 05:10
I’ve lost patience with Terence Crawford, not because I don’t think he’s a really talented fighter, but because of the underwhelming opponents he continually faces.
For sure, Egidijus Kavaliauskas is no journeyman, but he’s not one of the welterweight division’s biggest names either.
Bud’s affiliation with Top Rank is likely to ensure his career follows a similar path to Gilberto Ramirez.
Both guys are highly-rated but never seem to face any of their big-name rivals. They’ve become irrelevant, since none of us expects either of them to engage in significant bouts against marquee opposition.
Bob Arum talks a lot and blames others for his own failure to secure big fights for his stable, but he is ultimately responsible for Crawford and Ramirez’s plights.
In my mind, Crawford and Ramirez are underachievers. And both men should have known that renewing their contracts with Top Rank would adversely affect their legacies to an enormous degree.
E-O, I must admit that I seldom read your ramblings, but you hooked me in on this one and I entirely agree with you.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 05:10
I’ve lost patience with Terence Crawford, not because I don’t think he’s a really talented fighter, but because of the underwhelming opponents he continually faces.
For sure, Egidijus Kavaliauskas is no journeyman, but he’s not one of the welterweight division’s biggest names either.
Bud’s affiliation with Top Rank is likely to ensure his career follows a similar path to Gilberto Ramirez.
Both guys are highly-rated but never seem to face any of their big-name rivals. They’ve become irrelevant, since none of us expects either of them to engage in significant bouts against marquee opposition.
Bob Arum talks a lot and blames others for his own failure to secure big fights for his stable, but he is ultimately responsible for Crawford and Ramirez’s plights.
In my mind, Crawford and Ramirez are underachievers. And both men should have known that renewing their contracts with Top Rank would adversely affect their legacies to an enormous degree.
E-O, I must admit that I seldom read your ramblings, but you hooked me in on this one and I entirely agree with you.
Terence Crawford took the first step Friday toward solidifying his next fight.
If that fight can be finalized, ESPN would televise Crawford-Kavaliauskas as the main event after a co-feature that’ll pit IBF lightweight champ Richard Commey (29-2, 26 KOs) against his mandatory challenger, Teofimo Lopez (14-0, 11 KOs).
“Hopefully,” Crawford told Boxing Scene on Friday at MGM Grand. “We still haven’t had a sit-down to talk about the numbers or anything. We’ve got a date locked down. That’s the start of it, so I just had a meeting with Top Rank and ESPN. Hopefully, we can get that locked down and get everything in order for the fight that’ll happen December 14th.”
“Listen, this guy is not a walk in the park,” Crawford said. “He’s strong. He’s undefeated. He’s got a deep amateur background, going to the Olympics I think twice. They look at him and say [about me], ‘He’s not fighting nobody because of who he is.’ But l’m like, ‘This dude can fight, no matter what you say. He’s my No. 1 contender for a reason.’ Me, as a fighter, I have never overlooked ‘em or take ‘em lightly or discredit him for getting to where he got to at this point.”
“Ray Robinson is tall, rangy and awkward,” Crawford said. “It probably threw him off a little bit, you know? But we’ve got two totally different styles, and that was that.”
Terence Crawford facing a fellow Top Rank stablemate, in the form of the anonymous and unheralded Egidijus Kavaliauskas, simply because Bob Arum can't work with Al Haymon.
"Talent" is useless unless it’s proven…. And "potential" is useless unless it’s fulfilled!”
And this is precisely the reason why Terence Crawford has become an irrelevant name in the 147lbs scene, because he’s not facing top-tier opposition. Hype alone is simply not enough to justify his “fearsome” reputation (at least not at welterweight)!
This situation is clearly Bud’s own fault, because he only recently agreed to extend his contract with Top Rank, knowing full-well that this would scupper the possibility of him engaging in marquee bouts against any of his big-name fellow welterweight peers.
Anyway, back on topic, Crawford-Kavaliauskas is probably a fight I’ll watch highlights of on YouTube (depending on whether or not people consider the bout entertaining).
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 14:18
Terence Crawford facing a fellow Top Rank stablemate, in the form of the anonymous and unheralded Egidijus Kavaliauskas, simply because Bob Arum can't work with Al Haymon.
BUT, he can work with Haymon, He admitted talking to Haymon agreeing the terms/purses/percentages for Wilder vs. Fury 2 and 3.
He then said, they can use that same blueprint applied to Crawford/Spence.
Also, I'm pretty sure he matched one of his guys with a PBC guy not too long ago. I can't put my finger on it though.
You need to beat other TOP welterweights to be given the ATG name. They need to fight each other and the other top WW’s.
Thurman has a better WW resume than both of them.
100% truth.
Crawford has barely fought at 147.
Spence had a real battle on his hands against a pretty decent but somewhat faded Brook. And then he dominated a P4P entry in Mikey Garcia. But Garcia is only a lightweight.
Nothing they've accomplished currently qualifies them for the welterweight HOF.
Maybe the future will prove them great. But it's jumping the gun to induct them today.
I agree, Crawfords body of work at Welterweight has little to be desired.
That's down playing Spences victory over Brook a bit. Brook is more than just a "decent" fighter and was far from faded when he fought Spence. Brook still had all the tools when he fought Spence as far as skill, speed, power, reflexes. Unfortunately for Brook his bad eye surfaced again in his fight with Spence, but not for one second do I believe that Brook was faded, he could have beaten anyone at welterweight on that given night if not for his eye. (remember Brook gave GGG everything he could handle leading up to his eye getting damaged and the size difference being his undoing). Point is Brook is/was much more than just a "decent" fighter.
I also agree neither have had HOF careers at Welterweight, but it's pretty obvious they are both special fighters.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 14:18
Terence Crawford facing a fellow Top Rank stablemate, in the form of the anonymous and unheralded Egidijus Kavaliauskas, simply because Bob Arum can't work with Al Haymon.
BUT, he can work with Haymon, He admitted talking to Haymon agreeing the terms/purses/percentages for Wilder vs. Fury 2 and 3.
He then said, they can use that same blueprint applied to Crawford/Spence.
Also, I'm pretty sure he matched one of his guys with a PBC guy not too long ago. I can't put my finger on it though.
I’m not saying that it’s categorically impossible for Bob Arum and Al Haymon to work together, but as we’ve recently seen with the likes of Tyson Fury, Terence Crawford and Gilberto Ramirez, Top Rank doesn’t generally promote events involving fighters from other stables.
We won't see cross-promotional events headlined by marquee names from rival networks on ESPN, unless mega-money is involved.
For sure, there are a few exceptions, but the general rule is prevalent.
Terence Crawford took the first step Friday toward solidifying his next fight.
If that fight can be finalized, ESPN would televise Crawford-Kavaliauskas as the main event after a co-feature that’ll pit IBF lightweight champ Richard Commey (29-2, 26 KOs) against his mandatory challenger, Teofimo Lopez (14-0, 11 KOs).
“Hopefully,” Crawford told Boxing Scene on Friday at MGM Grand. “We still haven’t had a sit-down to talk about the numbers or anything. We’ve got a date locked down. That’s the start of it, so I just had a meeting with Top Rank and ESPN. Hopefully, we can get that locked down and get everything in order for the fight that’ll happen December 14th.”
“Listen, this guy is not a walk in the park,” Crawford said. “He’s strong. He’s undefeated. He’s got a deep amateur background, going to the Olympics I think twice. They look at him and say [about me], ‘He’s not fighting nobody because of who he is.’ But l’m like, ‘This dude can fight, no matter what you say. He’s my No. 1 contender for a reason.’ Me, as a fighter, I have never overlooked ‘em or take ‘em lightly or discredit him for getting to where he got to at this point.”
“Ray Robinson is tall, rangy and awkward,” Crawford said. “It probably threw him off a little bit, you know? But we’ve got two totally different styles, and that was that.”
This is effing hilarious. Terence Crawford knows he’s in there with an underwhelming opponent so he has to hype him up as an attempt to help build interest in this fight
When you put the best vs. the best, they’re calling each other a big dosser and saying the other guy hasn’t accomplished as much. Put the best in there with an easy opponent though and Mr. A side has to try and convince everyone this is a tough fight for him. We’ve seen this a million times lol
Terence Crawford took the first step Friday toward solidifying his next fight.
If that fight can be finalized, ESPN would televise Crawford-Kavaliauskas as the main event after a co-feature that’ll pit IBF lightweight champ Richard Commey (29-2, 26 KOs) against his mandatory challenger, Teofimo Lopez (14-0, 11 KOs).
“Hopefully,” Crawford told Boxing Scene on Friday at MGM Grand. “We still haven’t had a sit-down to talk about the numbers or anything. We’ve got a date locked down. That’s the start of it, so I just had a meeting with Top Rank and ESPN. Hopefully, we can get that locked down and get everything in order for the fight that’ll happen December 14th.”
“Listen, this guy is not a walk in the park,” Crawford said. “He’s strong. He’s undefeated. He’s got a deep amateur background, going to the Olympics I think twice. They look at him and say [about me], ‘He’s not fighting nobody because of who he is.’ But l’m like, ‘This dude can fight, no matter what you say. He’s my No. 1 contender for a reason.’ Me, as a fighter, I have never overlooked ‘em or take ‘em lightly or discredit him for getting to where he got to at this point.”
“Ray Robinson is tall, rangy and awkward,” Crawford said. “It probably threw him off a little bit, you know? But we’ve got two totally different styles, and that was that.”
This is effing hilarious. Terence Crawford knows he’s in there with an underwhelming opponent so he has to hype him up as an attempt to help build interest in this fight
When you put the best vs. the best, they’re calling each other a big dosser and saying the other guy hasn’t accomplished as much. Put the best in there with an easy opponent though and Mr. A side has to try and convince everyone this is a tough fight for him. We’ve seen this a million times lol
jujigatame wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 13:15
Trash matchup, worse than Khan. Arum should be ashamed.
It's a mandatory fight. WBO don't always offer good mando's.
But then you'd think as Arum is one of the shareholders at WBO, he probably has a say in who the mando wis.
Is Egidijus Kavaliauskas the mandatory for Terence Crawford's title? I've seen various media articles suggesting that he is, but I can't find official confirmation from the WBO.
It's a mandatory fight. WBO don't always offer good mando's.
But then you'd think as Arum is one of the shareholders at WBO, he probably has a say in who the mando wis.
Is Egidijus Kavaliauskas the mandatory for Terence Crawford's title? I've seen various media articles suggesting that he is, but I can't find official confirmation from the WBO.
He is the mandatory, however I do nt believe it has been ordered yet.. The reason for taking the fight if they can't get anyone else, is so they will be done with the mandatory before the end of this year, that way can focus on next year with voluntaries.
