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ironbeard wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 21:26 I think that Hitman Jr. has peaked due to lack of quality opposition. Hope I am wrong. He was not that impressive v Khan.

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 22:59

ironbeard wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 21:26 I think that Hitman Jr. has peaked due to lack of quality opposition. Hope I am wrong. He was not that impressive v Khan.

I thought he was. I remember it being a whitewash - I don't remember Khan being competitive at all. Thus Crawford was impressive as you could be against Khan, without having that one punch KO power. Every other boxer Khans faced has at least lost some rounds to him.

Barring B Prescott.

ironbeard wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 00:47

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 22:59

I thought he was. I remember it being a whitewash - I don't remember Khan being competitive at all. Thus Crawford was impressive as you could be against Khan, without having that one punch KO power. Every other boxer Khans faced has at least lost some rounds to him.

Barring B Prescott.

Khan is not what he once was. Crawford his losing is edge by not fighting top end comp. I get that he has been adapting to welter, but that sand has passed through the hourglass. Pac, Once Upon A Time, Spence, and Porter are fighting better comp right now.

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 00:48

ironbeard wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 00:47
Khan is not what he once was. Crawford his losing is edge by not fighting top end comp. I get that he has been adapting to welter, but that sand has passed through the hourglass. Pac, Once Upon A Time, Spence, and Porter are fighting better comp right now.

almost as though his careers gotten a bit ....boring maybe

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 05:10 I’ve lost patience with Terence Crawford, not because I don’t think he’s a really talented fighter, but because of the underwhelming opponents he continually faces.

For sure, Egidijus Kavaliauskas is no journeyman, but he’s not one of the welterweight division’s biggest names either.

Bud’s affiliation with Top Rank is likely to ensure his career follows a similar path to Gilberto Ramirez.

Both guys are highly-rated but never seem to face any of their big-name rivals. They’ve become irrelevant, since none of us expects either of them to engage in significant bouts against marquee opposition.

Bob Arum talks a lot and blames others for his own failure to secure big fights for his stable, but he is ultimately responsible for Crawford and Ramirez’s plights.

In my mind, Crawford and Ramirez are underachievers. And both men should have known that renewing their contracts with Top Rank would adversely affect their legacies to an enormous degree.

ironbeard wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 09:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 05:10 I’ve lost patience with Terence Crawford, not because I don’t think he’s a really talented fighter, but because of the underwhelming opponents he continually faces.

For sure, Egidijus Kavaliauskas is no journeyman, but he’s not one of the welterweight division’s biggest names either.

Bud’s affiliation with Top Rank is likely to ensure his career follows a similar path to Gilberto Ramirez.

Both guys are highly-rated but never seem to face any of their big-name rivals. They’ve become irrelevant, since none of us expects either of them to engage in significant bouts against marquee opposition.

Bob Arum talks a lot and blames others for his own failure to secure big fights for his stable, but he is ultimately responsible for Crawford and Ramirez’s plights.

In my mind, Crawford and Ramirez are underachievers. And both men should have known that renewing their contracts with Top Rank would adversely affect their legacies to an enormous degree.

E-O, I must admit that I seldom read your ramblings, but you hooked me in on this one and I entirely agree with you.

jujigatame wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 13:15 Trash matchup, worse than Khan. Arum should be ashamed.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 13:20

jujigatame wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 13:15 Trash matchup, worse than Khan. Arum should be ashamed.

It's a mandatory fight. WBO don't always offer good mando's.

But then you'd think as Arum is one of the shareholders at WBO, he probably has a say in who the mando wis.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 14:18 Terence Crawford facing a fellow Top Rank stablemate, in the form of the anonymous and unheralded Egidijus Kavaliauskas, simply because Bob Arum can't work with Al Haymon.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 19:44

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 19:26

You need to beat other TOP welterweights to be given the ATG name. They need to fight each other and the other top WW’s.

Thurman has a better WW resume than both of them.

100% truth.

Crawford has barely fought at 147.

Spence had a real battle on his hands against a pretty decent but somewhat faded Brook. And then he dominated a P4P entry in Mikey Garcia. But Garcia is only a lightweight.

Nothing they've accomplished currently qualifies them for the welterweight HOF.

Maybe the future will prove them great. But it's jumping the gun to induct them today.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 13:00 Hard to b!tch about a belt holder taking care of his mandatory obligations.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 14:39

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 14:18 Terence Crawford facing a fellow Top Rank stablemate, in the form of the anonymous and unheralded Egidijus Kavaliauskas, simply because Bob Arum can't work with Al Haymon.

BUT, he can work with Haymon, He admitted talking to Haymon agreeing the terms/purses/percentages for Wilder vs. Fury 2 and 3.

He then said, they can use that same blueprint applied to Crawford/Spence.

Also, I'm pretty sure he matched one of his guys with a PBC guy not too long ago. I can't put my finger on it though.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 11:57 Crawford: Kavaliauskas Can Fight, No Matter What's Said

Boxng Scene link

Terence Crawford took the first step Friday toward solidifying his next fight.

If that fight can be finalized, ESPN would televise Crawford-Kavaliauskas as the main event after a co-feature that’ll pit IBF lightweight champ Richard Commey (29-2, 26 KOs) against his mandatory challenger, Teofimo Lopez (14-0, 11 KOs).

“Hopefully,” Crawford told Boxing Scene on Friday at MGM Grand. “We still haven’t had a sit-down to talk about the numbers or anything. We’ve got a date locked down. That’s the start of it, so I just had a meeting with Top Rank and ESPN. Hopefully, we can get that locked down and get everything in order for the fight that’ll happen December 14th.”

“Listen, this guy is not a walk in the park,” Crawford said. “He’s strong. He’s undefeated. He’s got a deep amateur background, going to the Olympics I think twice. They look at him and say [about me], ‘He’s not fighting nobody because of who he is.’ But l’m like, ‘This dude can fight, no matter what you say. He’s my No. 1 contender for a reason.’ Me, as a fighter, I have never overlooked ‘em or take ‘em lightly or discredit him for getting to where he got to at this point.”

“Ray Robinson is tall, rangy and awkward,” Crawford said. “It probably threw him off a little bit, you know? But we’ve got two totally different styles, and that was that.”

Ron C wrote: ↑03 Oct 2019, 21:45

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 11:57 Crawford: Kavaliauskas Can Fight, No Matter What's Said

Boxng Scene link

Terence Crawford took the first step Friday toward solidifying his next fight.

If that fight can be finalized, ESPN would televise Crawford-Kavaliauskas as the main event after a co-feature that’ll pit IBF lightweight champ Richard Commey (29-2, 26 KOs) against his mandatory challenger, Teofimo Lopez (14-0, 11 KOs).

“Hopefully,” Crawford told Boxing Scene on Friday at MGM Grand. “We still haven’t had a sit-down to talk about the numbers or anything. We’ve got a date locked down. That’s the start of it, so I just had a meeting with Top Rank and ESPN. Hopefully, we can get that locked down and get everything in order for the fight that’ll happen December 14th.”

“Listen, this guy is not a walk in the park,” Crawford said. “He’s strong. He’s undefeated. He’s got a deep amateur background, going to the Olympics I think twice. They look at him and say [about me], ‘He’s not fighting nobody because of who he is.’ But l’m like, ‘This dude can fight, no matter what you say. He’s my No. 1 contender for a reason.’ Me, as a fighter, I have never overlooked ‘em or take ‘em lightly or discredit him for getting to where he got to at this point.”

“Ray Robinson is tall, rangy and awkward,” Crawford said. “It probably threw him off a little bit, you know? But we’ve got two totally different styles, and that was that.”

This is effing hilarious. Terence Crawford knows he’s in there with an underwhelming opponent so he has to hype him up as an attempt to help build interest in this fight

When you put the best vs. the best, they’re calling each other a big dosser and saying the other guy hasn’t accomplished as much. Put the best in there with an easy opponent though and Mr. A side has to try and convince everyone this is a tough fight for him. We’ve seen this a million times lol

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 13:20

jujigatame wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 13:15 Trash matchup, worse than Khan. Arum should be ashamed.

It's a mandatory fight. WBO don't always offer good mando's.

But then you'd think as Arum is one of the shareholders at WBO, he probably has a say in who the mando wis.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Oct 2019, 06:24

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 13:20

It's a mandatory fight. WBO don't always offer good mando's.

But then you'd think as Arum is one of the shareholders at WBO, he probably has a say in who the mando wis.

Is Egidijus Kavaliauskas the mandatory for Terence Crawford's title? I've seen various media articles suggesting that he is, but I can't find official confirmation from the WBO.