BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Joyce vs Jennings, Dubois vs Gorman

[dagilechia]

The voting is over.

Joe Joyce remains unranked, Bryant Jennings remains unranked.

Daniel Dubois remains unranked, Nathan Gorman remains unranked.

Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 28(20) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: 09.11.2019 vs Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - (#7)

3. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - (#11)

6. Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 09.11.2019 vs Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - (#2)

8. Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 26(20) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Adam Kownacki - 19(15) 0 0 - next fight: 03.08.2019 vs Chris Arreola - 38(33) 5(3) 1 - (unranked, BoxRec's #40)

11. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - (#5)

12. Filip Hrgović - 8(6) 0 0 - next fight: 24.08.2019 vs Mario Heredia - 16(13) 6(5) 1 - (unranked, BoxRec's #47)

13. Dereck Chisora - 30(21) 9(3) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs Artur Szpilka - 22(15) 3(3) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #25)

14. Agit Kabayel - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

Worth of mention fights:
David Allen - 17(14) 4(2) 2 - (BoxRec's #22) vs David Price - 24(19) 6(6) 0 - (BoxRec's #48) - 20.07.2019 - X
Ali Eren Demirezen - 11(10) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #33) vs Efe Ajagba - 10(9) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #50) - 20.07.2019 - V
Murat Gassiev - 26(19) 1(0) 0 - (BoxRec's #3 at CW) vs Joey Dawejko - 19(11) 7(1) 4 - (BoxRec's #58) - 27.07.2019 - X
Oleksandr Usyk - 16(12) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #1 at CW) vs Carlos Takam - 36(28) 5(3) 1 - (BoxRec's #26) - TBA - V

Important note: not all of those fights will deserve the voting topic. This is just a list of interesting HW fights, just to not to miss them. The fights marked by ''V'' will most likely get the voting thread, those with ''X'' will most likely not.

[Heretic]

Gassiev vs Dawejko fight is off.

[joshj909]

Gassiev vs Dawejko fight is off.

Damn, how come?

Edit: don't worry, just saw the other thread. Still sucks.

[dagilechia]

Gassiev vs Dawejko fight is off.

[candyslim]

I think a win over Jennings is worth a place at 15. Granted it wasn't a dominant performance but Jennings is a decent opponent and a close win over Jennings rates higher than a win over Gorman at this stage. So does a win over Helenius but Washington's poor showing against Kownacki compared to Martin's works against him.

[oogiebe]

I think a win over Jennings is worth a place at 15. Granted it wasn't a dominant performance but Jennings is a decent opponent and a close win over Jennings rates higher than a win over Gorman at this stage. So does a win over Helenius but Washington's poor showing against Kownacki compared to Martin's works against him.

It put Rivas in the top, but that was a better performance than Joyce.

[candyslim]

I loved the Rivas v Jennings match from the moment I heard it had been scheduled. I couldn't pick a winner and it stayed that way until fight-night. It was about round 9 before I climbed off the fence and decided which of them was going to win ... and even then I got it wrong

The reason I bring this up is that while Rivas finished in style, and it was a better fight alround, I thought Joyce looked more like the eventual winner for longer against Jennings than Rivas did. I could be wrong though because I knew the result before watching Joyce v Jennings so that isn't a like for like comparison. I'm interested to know if you agree with my assessment?

[oogiebe]

I loved the Rivas v Jennings match from the moment I heard it had been scheduled. I couldn't pick a winner and it stayed that way until fight-night. It was about round 9 before I climbed off the fence and decided which of them was going to win ... and even then I got it wrong

The reason I bring this up is that while Rivas finished in style, and it was a better fight alround, I thought Joyce looked more like the eventual winner for longer against Jennings than Rivas did. I could be wrong though because I knew the result before watching Joyce v Jennings so that isn't a like for like comparison. I'm interested to know if you agree with my assessment?

There were moments during Joyce Jennings that I thought Jennings could possibly pull it out, but it became clear later in the fight that Jennings was wilting and becoming less active. I had Rivas up for most of the fight. I had Joyce up closer.

[dagilechia]

I think a win over Jennings is worth a place at 15. Granted it wasn't a dominant performance but Jennings is a decent opponent and a close win over Jennings rates higher than a win over Gorman at this stage. So does a win over Helenius but Washington's poor showing against Kownacki compared to Martin's works against him.

I wouldn't say that win over Helenius is enough but i agree that win over Jennings is a good win, i actually thought that Joyce or Dubois will get voted in, i guess that the problem with Joyce's win is that it was very unimpressive and the fight was close, that is why i decided to vote for no change despite that i planned to vote him in before the fight.. i expected it to be a quite close fight, but Joyce was even worse than i expected. I plan to vote Ajagba in if he comfortably knocks Demirezen out.

[dagilechia]

I loved the Rivas v Jennings match from the moment I heard it had been scheduled. I couldn't pick a winner and it stayed that way until fight-night. It was about round 9 before I climbed off the fence and decided which of them was going to win ... and even then I got it wrong

The reason I bring this up is that while Rivas finished in style, and it was a better fight alround, I thought Joyce looked more like the eventual winner for longer against Jennings than Rivas did. I could be wrong though because I knew the result before watching Joyce v Jennings so that isn't a like for like comparison. I'm interested to know if you agree with my assessment?

you are right, i had Jennings ahead of Rivas all the time until the KO... but Rivas managed to knock him out, that was impressive, Joyce won 1-2 rounds more than Rivas did, but Rivas eventually scored late KO, that is more impressive imo.

what also matters, is that Rivas was seen as an underdog, close but underdog, Jennings had a streak of wins, including wins over Dawejko and Dimitrenko, and at that time, people decided to rank him higher than for example Kownacki. Rivas moved to #12 after beating him, i guess that Joyce would be #16 or #17 on our list now. sounds legit imo.

[candyslim]

Fair enough. Jennings is a little light in the 'win column' lately but he's still a fine scalp even so. Good enough to propel his conqueror into the top 15 in my view.

[oogiebe]

Fair enough. Jennings is a little light in the 'win column' lately but he's still a fine scalp even so. Good enough to propel his conqueror into the top 15 in my view.

Where will you rank Rivas after he KO's Dill?

[dagilechia]

if he knocks him out, not by a lucky punch, being ahead on the cards, i'll probably vote him to #5

[oogiebe]

if he knocks him out, not by a lucky punch, being ahead on the cards, i'll probably vote him to #5

Not quite that high for me as I'd afford some of it to Dill just not being as good as he's been hyped to be. 7/8th.

[dagilechia]

if he knocks him out, not by a lucky punch, being ahead on the cards, i'll probably vote him to #5

Not quite that high for me as I'd afford some of it to Dill just not being as good as he's been hyped to be. 7/8th.

yeah, i have Whyte at 8/9 in my personal ranking, but a streak of KOs over Jennings and Whyte would be really good in current division. arguably better than Wilder's pre-Ortiz wins.

[candyslim]

Fair enough. Jennings is a little light in the 'win column' lately but he's still a fine scalp even so. Good enough to propel his conqueror into the top 15 in my view.

Where will you rank Rivas after he KO's Dill?

He won't but if he did 4th or 5th maybe. 6th at worst.