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Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 16 Jul 2019, 16:01
by keirw
candyslim wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 13:06
keirw wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 04:44
I don't see Washington beating Helenius as a massive upset, both have lost to every decent fighte and they have faced in recent years.
Gorman is not a hype job, he just got his tactics wrong and stood and range when he should have looked to get inside. Dubois dominated and looked good doing it.
Joyce has never looked impressive but he keeps winning and is building a decent record. Let's not forget that Jennings is the biggest win on both Rivas' and Ortiz's records.
Well said keirw. I pretty much agree although I would say although Gorman isn't a hype-job, maybe he didn't implement the right tactics because DDD didn't allow him to.
What is the saying ... When you're up to your ass in alligators it can be difficult to remember you're supposed to be there to drain the swamp
Not sure I have ever heard that saying before
Not many 'gators in the UK.
Dubois' jab was solid and it kept Gorman occupied. It was by far the best Dubois has looked thus far and I was genuinely impressed with him for the first time in his pro career.
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 17 Jul 2019, 03:32
by candyslim
No, but I can't say I'm too upset about our 'gator deficiency
Daniel does have a very impressive jab. Gorman's on the other hand was nowhere to be seen. I woudn't write him off on the basis of this performance but I think Nathan should concentrate on the domestic scene in the short to medium term, whereas DDD can look at establishing himself at world level or at least European. Unlike Joyce, time is not their enemy.
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 17 Jul 2019, 18:26
by SportsRatings
joshj909 wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 17:41
There will be some more this weekend. Roughly anticipate, Allen/Price jumping up to about 15th,
The Allen/Price winner should be about #50, not #15. These guys are both gatekeepers at this point, not contenders.
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 17 Jul 2019, 18:47
by Enlightened-One
SportsRatings wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 18:26
joshj909 wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 17:41
There will be some more this weekend. Roughly anticipate, Allen/Price jumping up to about 15th,
The Allen/Price winner should be about #50, not #15. These guys are both gatekeepers at this point, not contenders.
That’s kind of disrespectful.
If Allen beats Price, you won’t be able to name 49 fighters better than him.
After Price’s fight against Povetkin, you wouldn’t have been able to name 49 fighters above him.
I love seeing vague nonsense claims like this, since it shows a distinct lack of knowledge, despite your forum moniker.
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 17 Jul 2019, 18:58
by ewenhay
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 18:47
SportsRatings wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 18:26
The Allen/Price winner should be about #50, not #15. These guys are both gatekeepers at this point, not contenders.
That’s kind of disrespectful.
If Allen beats Price, you won’t be able to name 49 fighters better than him.
After Price’s fight against Povetkin, you wouldn’t have been able to name 49 fighters above him.
I love seeing vague nonsense claims like this, since it shows a distinct lack of knowledge, despite your forum moniker.
We're not seriously suggesting that the winner of Allen v Price should be considered top 15 are we?
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 17 Jul 2019, 19:49
by SportsRatings
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 18:47
SportsRatings wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 18:26
The Allen/Price winner should be about #50, not #15. These guys are both gatekeepers at this point, not contenders.
That’s kind of disrespectful.
If Allen beats Price, you won’t be able to name 49 fighters better than him.
After Price’s fight against Povetkin, you wouldn’t have been able to name 49 fighters above him.
I love seeing vague nonsense claims like this, since it shows a distinct lack of knowledge, despite your forum moniker.
I chose #50 to contrast /rhyme with #15 and for emphasis, not for an exact ranking.
But it's not that far off. Allen has a loss and a draw with Lenroy Thomas...couldn't even beat him given 2 tries. His ranking now is based on beating Lucas Browne.
Price's best win in the last 6 years is...who? Kash Ali? Tom Little? Doing well in a KO loss is not a good reason to rank high, in my opinion.
And if you lived up to your moniker, I think you would try harder to see others' point of view rather than call it 'nonsense'
Can we perhaps agree that the LOSER should be ranked no higher...or not much higher... than #50?
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 17 Jul 2019, 19:57
by oogiebe
SportsRatings wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 19:49
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 18:47
That’s kind of disrespectful.
If Allen beats Price, you won’t be able to name 49 fighters better than him.
After Price’s fight against Povetkin, you wouldn’t have been able to name 49 fighters above him.
I love seeing vague nonsense claims like this, since it shows a distinct lack of knowledge, despite your forum moniker.
I chose #50 to contrast /rhyme with #15 and for emphasis, not for an exact ranking.
But it's not that far off. Allen has a loss and a draw with Lenroy Thomas...couldn't even beat him given 2 tries. His ranking now is based on beating Lucas Browne.
Price's best win in the last 6 years is...who? Kash Ali? Tom Little? Doing well in a KO loss is not a good reason to rank high, in my opinion.
And if you lived up to your moniker, I think you would try harder to see others' point of view rather than call it 'nonsense'
Can we perhaps agree that the LOSER should be ranked no higher...or not much higher... than #50?
That was pretty obvious to me. No need to explain yourself mate!
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 17 Jul 2019, 20:21
by Enlightened-One
SportsRatings wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 19:49
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 18:47
That’s kind of disrespectful.
If Allen beats Price, you won’t be able to name 49 fighters better than him.
After Price’s fight against Povetkin, you wouldn’t have been able to name 49 fighters above him.
I love seeing vague nonsense claims like this, since it shows a distinct lack of knowledge, despite your forum moniker.
I chose #50 to contrast /rhyme with #15 and for emphasis, not for an exact ranking.
But it's not that far off. Allen has a loss and a draw with Lenroy Thomas...couldn't even beat him given 2 tries. His ranking now is based on beating Lucas Browne.
Price's best win in the last 6 years is...who? Kash Ali? Tom Little? Doing well in a KO loss is not a good reason to rank high, in my opinion.
And if you lived up to your moniker, I think you would try harder to see others' point of view rather than call it 'nonsense'
Can we perhaps agree that the LOSER should be ranked no higher...or not much higher... than #50?
No we can’t, since you can’t name fifty fighters better than Price or Allen.
Randomly picking a number out of your ärsë and then demanding that it should be universally regarded as being the truth, is utterly stupid!
Either backup your claims or remain silent!
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 17 Jul 2019, 20:36
by SportsRatings
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 20:21
SportsRatings wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 19:49
I chose #50 to contrast /rhyme with #15 and for emphasis, not for an exact ranking.
But it's not that far off. Allen has a loss and a draw with Lenroy Thomas...couldn't even beat him given 2 tries. His ranking now is based on beating Lucas Browne.
Price's best win in the last 6 years is...who? Kash Ali? Tom Little? Doing well in a KO loss is not a good reason to rank high, in my opinion.
And if you lived up to your moniker, I think you would try harder to see others' point of view rather than call it 'nonsense'
Can we perhaps agree that the LOSER should be ranked no higher...or not much higher... than #50?
No we can’t, since you can’t name fifty fighters better than Price or Allen.
Randomly picking a number out of your ärsë and then demanding that it should be universally regarded as being the truth, is utterly stupid!
Either backup your claims or remain silent!
I backed it up. Allen has shitty losses and Price has no wins. I don't have to jump thru your hoops.
In any case, just browsing the Boxrec top 50, both Allen and Price stand out as vastly overrated. So the loser certainly should be outside the top 50, and the winner not inside the top 15.
You're free to reject it if you want, but I certainly don't subscribe to such a high ranking for the winner between two near-journeymen.
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 18 Jul 2019, 17:52
by Lennox
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 20:21
SportsRatings wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 19:49
I chose #50 to contrast /rhyme with #15 and for emphasis, not for an exact ranking.
But it's not that far off. Allen has a loss and a draw with Lenroy Thomas...couldn't even beat him given 2 tries. His ranking now is based on beating Lucas Browne.
Price's best win in the last 6 years is...who? Kash Ali? Tom Little? Doing well in a KO loss is not a good reason to rank high, in my opinion.
And if you lived up to your moniker, I think you would try harder to see others' point of view rather than call it 'nonsense'
Can we perhaps agree that the LOSER should be ranked no higher...or not much higher... than #50?
No we can’t, since you can’t name fifty fighters better than Price or Allen.
Randomly picking a number out of your ärsë and then demanding that it should be universally regarded as being the truth, is utterly stupid!
Either backup your claims or remain silent!
I think there are a 50 fighters easily better than David Price. David Allen is on a bit of a roll for beating a 40 year old Lucas Browne but there are not many fighters inside the top 50 he would beat in my opinion and probably 10 outside the 50 he would lose too. No way is David Allen top 15 based on what he has done but he is a decent fighter, teak tough and is not going to be an easy fight for anyone.
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 05:58
by Gnome
Lennox wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 17:52
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 20:21
No we can’t, since you can’t name fifty fighters better than Price or Allen.
Randomly picking a number out of your ärsë and then demanding that it should be universally regarded as being the truth, is utterly stupid!
Either backup your claims or remain silent!
I think there are a 50 fighters easily better than David Price. David Allen is on a bit of a roll for beating a 40 year old Lucas Browne but there are not many fighters inside the top 50 he would beat in my opinion and probably 10 outside the 50 he would lose too. No way is David Allen top 15 based on what he has done but he is a decent fighter, teak tough and is not going to be an easy fight for anyone.
Hi, what's the link to your rankings website, please?
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 06:51
by morm
Lennox wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 17:52
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 20:21
No we can’t, since you can’t name fifty fighters better than Price or Allen.
Randomly picking a number out of your ärsë and then demanding that it should be universally regarded as being the truth, is utterly stupid!
Either backup your claims or remain silent!
I think there are a 50 fighters easily better than David Price. David Allen is on a bit of a roll for beating a 40 year old Lucas Browne but there are not many fighters inside the top 50 he would beat in my opinion and probably 10 outside the 50 he would lose too. No way is David Allen top 15 based on what he has done but he is a decent fighter, teak tough and is not going to be an easy fight for anyone.
I Agree with that theory .....Price has 6 losses he is not even in my top 75
and Allen 4 losses and 2 draws he is not in my top 50
also Parker and Povetkin with 2 losses ar not into top 15
Hammer and Chisora also not into top 30
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 10:39
by tiny_acres
morm wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 06:51
Lennox wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 17:52
I think there are a 50 fighters easily better than David Price. David Allen is on a bit of a roll for beating a 40 year old Lucas Browne but there are not many fighters inside the top 50 he would beat in my opinion and probably 10 outside the 50 he would lose too. No way is David Allen top 15 based on what he has done but he is a decent fighter, teak tough and is not going to be an easy fight for anyone.
I Agree with that theory .....Price has 6 losses he is not even in my top 75
and Allen 4 losses and 2 draws he is not in my top 50
also Parker and Povetkin with 2 losses ar not into top 15
Hammer and Chisora also not into top 30
Come on man. Povetkin's only losses were to the consensus number 1 at the time of both of his losses. And he looked very good in defeat to Joshua
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 11:00
by joshj909
morm wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 06:51
Lennox wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 17:52
I think there are a 50 fighters easily better than David Price. David Allen is on a bit of a roll for beating a 40 year old Lucas Browne but there are not many fighters inside the top 50 he would beat in my opinion and probably 10 outside the 50 he would lose too. No way is David Allen top 15 based on what he has done but he is a decent fighter, teak tough and is not going to be an easy fight for anyone.
I Agree with that theory .....Price has 6 losses he is not even in my top 75
and Allen 4 losses and 2 draws he is not in my top 50
also Parker and Povetkin with 2 losses ar not into top 15
Hammer and Chisora also not into top 30
Joshua has a loss so he's now not top 15, he should be ranked somewhere below unbeaten Trevor Bryan and Zhang Zhilei.
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 16:03
by candyslim
Did I detect a note of irony there, or was it an entire symphony?
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 18:32
by joshj909
candyslim wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 16:03
Did I detect a note of irony there, or was it an entire symphony?
Let's just say that Francisco Silvens' record of 23-0 is clearly better than Dillian Whyte's 25-1. The numbers tell the story.
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 18:39
by oogiebe
joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 18:32
candyslim wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 16:03
Did I detect a note of irony there, or was it an entire symphony?
Let's just say that Francisco Silvens' record of 23-0 is clearly better than Dillian Whyte's 25-1. The numbers tell the story.
Now I know you're taking the piss.
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 03:33
by candyslim
I'm pretty sure you did when I did
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 04:48
by Lennox
Gnome wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 05:58
Lennox wrote: ↑18 Jul 2019, 17:52
I think there are a 50 fighters easily better than David Price. David Allen is on a bit of a roll for beating a 40 year old Lucas Browne but there are not many fighters inside the top 50 he would beat in my opinion and probably 10 outside the 50 he would lose too. No way is David Allen top 15 based on what he has done but he is a decent fighter, teak tough and is not going to be an easy fight for anyone.
Hi, what's the link to your rankings website, please?
www.premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 05:45
by danconnollyeire
SportsRatings wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 19:49
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 18:47
That’s kind of disrespectful.
If Allen beats Price, you won’t be able to name 49 fighters better than him.
After Price’s fight against Povetkin, you wouldn’t have been able to name 49 fighters above him.
I love seeing vague nonsense claims like this, since it shows a distinct lack of knowledge, despite your forum moniker.
I chose #50 to contrast /rhyme with #15 and for emphasis, not for an exact ranking.
But it's not that far off. Allen has a loss and a draw with Lenroy Thomas...couldn't even beat him given 2 tries. His ranking now is based on beating Lucas Browne.
Price's best win in the last 6 years is...who? Kash Ali? Tom Little? Doing well in a KO loss is not a good reason to rank high, in my opinion.
And if you lived up to your moniker, I think you would try harder to see others' point of view rather than call it 'nonsense'
Can we perhaps agree that the LOSER should be ranked no higher...or not much higher... than #50?
Why talk so authoritatively about something you know nothing about. It’s makes you look double the idiot. You clearly didn’t watch the second Thomas fight. A clash of heads caused a horrific cut in the first round and the ref stopped the fight in the first round, no one had landed a punch yet. UK rules state a first round technical draw. So that was your ‘second try’ you was talking about. Ok then mate, good analysis thanks real insightful yeah, cool
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 06:33
by joshj909
oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 18:39
joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 18:32
Let's just say that Francisco Silvens' record of 23-0 is clearly better than Dillian Whyte's 25-1. The numbers tell the story.
Now I know you're taking the piss.
candyslim wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 03:33
I'm pretty sure you did when I did
Haha you got me
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 28 Jul 2019, 22:18
by SportsRatings
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 05:45
SportsRatings wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 19:49
I chose #50 to contrast /rhyme with #15 and for emphasis, not for an exact ranking.
But it's not that far off. Allen has a loss and a draw with Lenroy Thomas...couldn't even beat him given 2 tries. His ranking now is based on beating Lucas Browne.
Price's best win in the last 6 years is...who? Kash Ali? Tom Little? Doing well in a KO loss is not a good reason to rank high, in my opinion.
And if you lived up to your moniker, I think you would try harder to see others' point of view rather than call it 'nonsense'
Can we perhaps agree that the LOSER should be ranked no higher...or not much higher... than #50?
Why talk so authoritatively about something you know nothing about. It’s makes you look double the idiot. You clearly didn’t watch the second Thomas fight. A clash of heads caused a horrific cut in the first round and the ref stopped the fight in the first round, no one had landed a punch yet. UK rules state a first round technical draw. So that was your ‘second try’ you was talking about. Ok then mate, good analysis thanks real insightful yeah, cool
Grow a sense of humor mate!
You'll feel better!
Re: Decent Movement in the Boxrec HW Rankings
Posted: 29 Jul 2019, 00:22
by Finkel
Can I ask what you give most weight to in your rankings, as I don't understand how Dominic Breazeale was ranked as high as 10 when he fought Wilder
Breazeale was ranked at 25 when he fought and lost to Joshua after just beating the guy ranked 26th.
After his loss he then beats 3 guys ranked: 75, 25 and 59
And is promoted to 10th?
Compare that to Kownacki who is ranked 12th who in his last four fights beat guys ranked 14, 74, 28, 55
So what weighting are you using that has a guy with a record of 26, L, 75, 25, 59 @ #10
But a guy with a record of W, 14, 74, 28, 55 @ #12
