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littlepug wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 17:00 Really don’t understand the heat Khan gets, he’s been great for the game, he was great in Athens, his style was perfect for tv, won world titles, fought big fights in Vegas and MSG, fought loads of big names even when he was up against it, and he gets grief for what ? Not fighting Murray or Thaxton ? Chasing p4p fighters ? Earning big paydays? Not fighting Brook ? Being vocal ? He’s had a good career by anyone’s standards and entertained me heaps over the years, he’s earned every penny he’s made so good luck to the lad I say

Ducking dangerous domestic rivals, not rematching guys who KOd him, trying to get the mega fight payday without actually earning it, the list goes on. I agree with you that he has been entertaining though.

I don't know if it was mentioned earlier, but Pac's team denies this completely.

Coco wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 17:22

littlepug wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 17:00 Really don’t understand the heat Khan gets, he’s been great for the game, he was great in Athens, his style was perfect for tv, won world titles, fought big fights in Vegas and MSG, fought loads of big names even when he was up against it, and he gets grief for what ? Not fighting Murray or Thaxton ? Chasing p4p fighters ? Earning big paydays? Not fighting Brook ? Being vocal ? He’s had a good career by anyone’s standards and entertained me heaps over the years, he’s earned every penny he’s made so good luck to the lad I say

He ducked Murray, Thaxton and Brook, but he fought Allvarez, Maidaina, Crawford, Barrera, Malanaggi,
Alexander, Collazo, Judah, Garcia and might even get Pacman.
He's earned the big bucks because he is excited, takes risks and the big fights, he puts bums on seats.

Barrera was ancient and out of his division, Judah was old, Pacman is 40, Alexander and Collazo were on the way down, and is beatinf Malignaggi really an achievement?.... you give him a lot of credit for taking fights with old men. Messrs Murray, Thaxton and Brook were live bodies when he should have fought them, but he ducked all of them and, yes, fought lots of fading names at the right time.

Mayweather avoided Moseley, Dela Hoya, Judah, pac man, JMM, in fact the list is endless when they were all young, fresh and world champions in weight divisions just above, just below and in same division all at same time, when the were all operating at featherweight, super feather & lightweight especially and people think he’s a all time great, the best and the sun shines out his ar se, hasn’t ever been and never again imo a greater fighter dodger and time picker than Maywether, every fighter you could ever think of people will always say they never fought such and such fighters, it’s the business and management manoeuvring the fighters that cause this, Khan has his frailties and can be a bit of a Pratt but he’s taken chances even when he’s known it’s a big ask, he’s been entertaining and been in some massive fights and earned huge money, all of which is amazing in this very very tough sport, fair play to him

liamlion wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 12:17 I have zero interest for Khan.

He has consistently dodged domestic rivals throughout his career claiming to be above them all including Thaxton, Murray and Brook. Nothing gets the juices flowing quite like a domestic dust-up and yet Khan acts so arrogant and allouf when confronted with the prospect.

He jumped up in weight and Fought Canelo, he’s for loads of great fighters.

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 19:24

liamlion wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 12:17 I have zero interest for Khan.

He has consistently dodged domestic rivals throughout his career claiming to be above them all including Thaxton, Murray and Brook. Nothing gets the juices flowing quite like a domestic dust-up and yet Khan acts so arrogant and allouf when confronted with the prospect.

He jumped up in weight and Fought Canelo, he’s for loads of great fighters.

And he got splattered, as fully anticipated and it was the biggest paying fight of his career. It was a business move.

Its cool, he wants the mega cash. I get that completely. It is a hard hard game and he is milking every penny. Except that type of attitude, certainly with me as a fan, diminishes my appreciation for him.

It might just be me though. I might be a little harsh for Khan's win over Maidana was sensational and a former world-champion is nothing to be sniffed at. But i have a really issue with domestic fighters who have a lofted opinion of themselves before they've even started in the pro game and use this to then justify dodging domestic rivals. I love Tyson Fury but hate the fact he dodged David Price on the way up. I have little interest in Hughie Fury, yes he is utterly boring but he too is trying to justify dodging his domestic rivals by insisting he is above them, same as Yarde. You prove you are above domestic class by beating them on the way through. Jon Thaxton gave Ricky Hatton one hell of a domestic fight. Those domestic fights bring interest and pressure and help prepare a fighter for tougher tests ahead.

The sad thing about Tyson ducking Fury is that we now know he'd probably have won.

At the end of the day you can completely justify not fighting domestic rivals when you go on to achieve more.
Even if we are only talking about Fury beating Klit, who in their right mind would call him a ducker in his epitaph for not fighting Price.
Remember too that it is the promoters that plot a fighters path.

Coco wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 08:41 At the end of the day you can completely justify not fighting domestic rivals when you go on to achieve more.
Even if we are only talking about Fury beating Klit, who in their right mind would call him a ducker in his epitaph for not fighting Price.
Remember too that it is the promoters that plot a fighters path.

That's very true and apparently overlooked by the average fan.

Fighters fight. It's what they do. Ducking is seldom on their mind.

That's why they have wise promoters and managers to set them on the right path and do what's best for their careers.

Coco wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 08:41 At the end of the day you can completely justify not fighting domestic rivals when you go on to achieve more.
Even if we are only talking about Fury beating Klit, who in their right mind would call him a ducker in his epitaph for not fighting Price.
Remember too that it is the promoters that plot a fighters path.

Because it was a duck. Plain and simple. Team Fury felt that the risk-reward wasnt appetising enough to take on Price. It was a business decision. I am a fan and I want the best domestically to fight the best and then move on. Perhaps that is delusional of me in these modern times. But i dont like this trend of dodging domestic rivals. I think it detracts from the sport and harms it.

I understand that fighters coming into the pro game with a reputation & profile & connections can get to the bigger fights quicker, which invariably means more money and glory. But when Fury dodged Price, who at the time was a huge threat, he hadnt fought and beat Wlad and nor was he in the mandatory position. Its therefore hard to justify a decision based on an outcome that hasnt yet happened. That's quite revisionist.

Good luck to lads that bypass British boxing. But its boxing's loss caused by an excessive proliferation of world titles.

That's something else for me, I don't count it as ducking.
Also he had no problem in fighting Chisora

Coco wrote: ↑17 Jul 2019, 08:53 That's something else for me, I don't count it as ducking.
Also he had no problem in fighting Chisora

Del Boy was never ever remotely near the same career trajectory that Price was once on, nor nearly as deadly a puncher nor anywhere near the technical level of Price let alone the sheer difference in physicality (size / stature) of them both. Price was a very dangerous man at one stage. Literally destroying all competition until he seemingly lost it against Tony Thompson.

Del Boy was an eat the jab all night merchant so far as Fury was concerned. Whereas a fight with Price was a battle of the jabs and avoiding Price's deadly right hand. Big difference in risk between Chisora and Price back then.

History tells us that prime Price would have probably have been too nervous fighting Fury, would have drained himself with nervous energy, gassed and got his head boxed off and likely stopped. But no one was to know that when Fury vacated the British Title. At that time Price looked destined for a big future.