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apollo creed wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 14:10 The only one more fight that Pac should get is Khan.

Screw Saudi Arabia. Pac finishing against a top quality Mexican American would do very well. Mikey needs a decent win though.

What's strange to me is; all this talk about another opponent when he just beat a champion.
Surely the champion gets a rematch? Isn't that how it works?

Anyone notice that Pac's points on BoxRec went down after beating Thurman? Very strange.

Also Dill's points went up a mere 20 points, while Chis gained 3 times that with his win over Artur.

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 16:20 Anyone notice that Pac's points on BoxRec went down after beating Thurman? Very strange.

Also Dill's points went up a mere 20 points, while Chis gained 3 times that with his win over Artur.

Yes! I just got back from checking in on Manny and the heavies to see what the change was after thr weekend.
Del boy and Pricie rocketing up.
Thurman- big drop.
Manny below Crawford at WW WTF has Crawford done at WW anyway...

I wouldn't discount the possibility. The man is ferkin amazing and at 40 (41 in December) he continues to defy the years.

One of these days though we will write him off as finished ... and we'll be right, but on last night's performance we could be still saying that in 5 years time.

Edit: Sorry that was in reply to impractical poster at the foot of page 1

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 16:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 16:20 Anyone notice that Pac's points on BoxRec went down after beating Thurman? Very strange.

Also Dill's points went up a mere 20 points, while Chis gained 3 times that with his win over Artur.

Yes! I just got back from checking in on Manny and the heavies to see what the change was after thr weekend.
Del boy and Pricie rocketing up.
Thurman- big drop.
Manny below Crawford at WW WTF has Crawford done at WW anyway...

Bud is a strange one. I have him as best P4P but not best WW. He's only had what...two fights at WW?

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 16:48

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 16:40

Yes! I just got back from checking in on Manny and the heavies to see what the change was after thr weekend.
Del boy and Pricie rocketing up.
Thurman- big drop.
Manny below Crawford at WW WTF has Crawford done at WW anyway...

Bud is a strange one. I have him as best P4P but not best WW. He's only had what...two fights at WW?

Yea. Two fights and neither was Spence. Big whoop.
Manny has had history at WW that you could write a flippin' thesis on.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 16:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 16:48
Bud is a strange one. I have him as best P4P but not best WW. He's only had what...two fights at WW?

Yea. Two fights and neither was Spence. Big whoop.
Manny has had history at WW that you could write a flippin' thesis on.

True that, But I don't fancy Pac against either Bud or Errol. Pac an ATG for certain!

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 16:16 What's strange to me is; all this talk about another opponent when he just beat a champion.
Surely the champion gets a rematch? Isn't that how it works?

That's very true.

I think it's down to Thurman being the B side.

It's crazy to think that Thurman who has been at or near the top of the WW division for years is the B side, but Pacquiao is a living legend, so that's how it goes.

He has a few options.

1) Fight the winner of Porter-Spence. (Dangerous option because I expect Spence to win)

2) Fight Crawford (Also dangerous)

3) Fight Danny Garcia (Winnable fight, hopefully retire afterwards)

4) Fight Amir Khan (No interest though)

5) Fight Mayweather again (Noticed him in the ring last night. Most people have forgotten the dull first fight, and perhaps the fight can play out differently now)

Gimp Mask wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 17:04 He has a few options.

1) Fight the winner of Porter-Spence. (Dangerous option because I expect Spence to win)

2) Fight Crawford (Also dangerous)

3) Fight Danny Garcia (Winnable fight, hopefully retire afterwards)

4) Fight Amir Khan (No interest though)

5) Fight Mayweather again (Noticed him in the ring last night. Most people have forgotten the dull first fight, and perhaps the fight can play out differently now)

Gimpie; I think Pac Khan would sell big in the UK, not because of Khan, but true UK boxing fans wanting to see Pac as part of a bucket list. I know I would given the chance. Plus we all love a KO

Interesting point. I just figured Khan was dust in the wind now after his performance against Crawford.

Gimp Mask wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 17:37 Interesting point. I just figured Khan was dust in the wind now after his performance against Crawford.

A mate of mine had the chance to see Loma last time out. He was umming and ahhing because of the opponent. I said to go, because Loma is one of those once in a decade kinda guys. He ain't getting any younger and the top fellas won't fight him. If you has the chance to see Ali- you would go, no matter against whoever. Same for Pac and Loma.
They fight on the other side of the world, the average bloke finds it hard enough to buy tickets to fights in his own country + beersies. If Pac came to the UK, that's your one chance to see him, and most would jump at it.

He should retire. He still may win a fight or two, but I guess 10 or 20 milions $ does not change his finances that much. Nor his legacy... well, maybe a rematch with Floyd if he wins it (but that would be far from guaranteed).

He should keep in mind not everyone is as "lucky" as Hopkins - who was at least KO'd cleanly without taking much punishment.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 13:56

ironbeard wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 13:49
Spence is a bridge too far and you know it. Manny will do as he pleases. If he chooses that route, great. I would prefer that he goes a different route. This is the perfect crown jewel on a superlative career.

I don't know it.

Thurman had a better welterweight resume than Spence or Crawford.

Spence went 12 with Mikey Garcia, who's smaller than Pacquiao.

Why should I assume that Spence is a bridge too far? He figures to be a bridge too far for Porter too, but nobodies complaining.

Manny showed last night that he's still formidable.

Must he be sheltered from fighters who might beat him? Especially now that he's a champion?

Spence might very well win, but what's wrong with a matchup where the winner isn't a foregone conclusion?

Resume is for rankings. The fact that you ever thought Keith was better than Errol is mind blowing. Use your eyes. Not sure how you thought he would win last night either. Age was his only advantage going in.

What he's just achieved is nothing short of amazing. Winning against such a respected and dangerous opponent at 40 years old, having accomplished all he has so far, the weight classes he's climbed through, the Hall of fame worthy opponents he's faced, the legacy he would be leaving if this was his last fight is almost second to none.

If he continued it's a case of who is there left for him to face? There is a unification match possible against either Spence, Crawford or Porter but does he need a unification match any more?
Contenders wise the #1 WBA ranked is Alexander Besputin which doesn't inspire much interest with all due respect. Danny Garcia could be a good fight for both men since he is a former WBC champion and their styles could make for an interesting clash.

Otherwise he could respond to Amir Khan's offer of a fight in Saudi Arabia for a last big pay day and title defence.

Now that I think about it, why not have a Pacquiao-Thurman rematch? It was a close, competitive FOTY match. And doesn't Thurman deserve a rematch considering he was an undefeated champion? And he was so respectful after the fight, why not give him a chance to win his belt back?

caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 14:16

ironbeard wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 13:12
What a troll.

How’s that being a troll dickface? Go back to sleep while the adults are talking. Yes, you can watch tv but you better lower the volume.

Yes, you are trolling with inflammatory attacks on men more accomplished than you are.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 12:40 There’s only 2 things left for Manny to get out of his system.

But his #1 rule should be to forget about fighting Crawford or Spence Jr. forget about both of em. He has nothing bc to prove as he already got rid of one of three young lions.

#1 Lure that juicehead Juan Manuel Marquez our of retirement to exact his revenge. Not likely bc JMM, that pussy of pussy fighters took his ball and went home. Go drink your piss Roidboy.

#2. THE REMATCH: This is it! This is all there is to get back inside that ring for. Floyd was there for a reason last night and there has to be some behind the scene factor involved with that Snake of s judge Moretti scoring the fight in Mannys favor. Floyd’s behind it all boys. Mark my words, May 2020 Floyd vs Manny II. It’s the only thing that makes sense

Hoooold on. You're far too big of a pussy to be calling Juan Manuel Marquez a pussy. You have no right to say this.

Gimp Mask wrote: ↑21 Jul 2019, 23:33 Now that I think about it, why not have a Pacquiao-Thurman rematch? It was a close, competitive FOTY match. And doesn't Thurman deserve a rematch considering he was an undefeated champion? And he was so respectful after the fight, why not give him a chance to win his belt back?

I've heard a great many worse ideas

I think Kiwi brought it up first; rematch Once Upon A Time.

Not sure that Team Pac wants that. OUaT had him pretty much figured out in the second half of the fight. Fact is that Keith was clearly winning round 1 before the KD. Without that KD, it was going to be a different fight.

I like the rematch. It would be bigger than the first. If Pac wins, he can retire. If OUaT wins, he has had two great marketing boosts to his brand, likely making him the bigger draw v Bud or Errol.

You think it would be bigger? I wouldn't buy it.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Jul 2019, 09:38 You think it would be bigger? I wouldn't buy it.

I didn’t “buy it” this time, It was on Kartina TV. Yes, bigger than the first fight. It was a very exciting and competitive fight.

I agree with those pointing at a possible Pac v FMJ Fiasco II.

I would prefer Pac gives Once Upon A Time his rematch, but it is still called prize fighting.

I bought this one. It was a good fight, but I don't see anything that would change the result. I'd much prefer it to Floyd schooling Manny.

Pac should not fight Spence and Crawford. Maybe Danny too. Otherwise, if he needs money, he could keep fighting.