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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 18:47 This is really disappointing news! However, if Whyte was stupid enough to have cheated, then his poor judgement has cost himself at least $20m in wasted opportunities (i.e. losing out on headlining another PPV, as well as a world title shot).

ironbeard wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:07 As long as the consequences are so facile, the risk / reward ratio is too attractive.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:13 Whyte was always going on about other fighters doping. Miller was too. How do they say, the best defense is a good offense!

Rivas should be declared the winner i think.

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:17

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:13 Whyte was always going on about other fighters doping. Miller was too. How do they say, the best defense is a good offense!

Rivas should be declared the winner i think.

More likely they'll declare it a no-contest. Maybe even order Rivas to face someone else for the interim, or whatever they are calling it now.

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:11

ironbeard wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:07 As long as the consequences are so facile, the risk / reward ratio is too attractive.

It's his second time. I'm hoping the penalty, if true, is stiff. Else we'll see someone seriously hurt or killed in the ring, with that tied to some PED use by opponent. Miller got off easy, to some degree, due to a technicality. If this turns out true, the fight should be ruled a no contest and Rivas should be ordered to fight someone else for the mandatory or interim or whatever it is.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:17

More likely they'll declare it a no-contest. Maybe even order Rivas to face someone else for the interim, or whatever they are calling it now.

Rivas was ranked #7 wasn’t he?

marvelous marv wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:29 If he tested positive a week before the fight how was this allowed to happen. What if Rivas got hurt in there?

Hopefully it's just something recreational like Marijuana and things can progress after a fine or short suspension.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 18:34

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 18:33 no fvckin wbc mandatory shot now

depends, ortiz and stiverne still got a shot for a fight they failed a test for didnt they. stiv was the mandatory i think

although not like the wbc to give dil any slack

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:11

ironbeard wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:07 As long as the consequences are so facile, the risk / reward ratio is too attractive.

It's his second time. I'm hoping the penalty, if true, is stiff. Else we'll see someone seriously hurt or killed in the ring, with that tied to some PED use by opponent. Miller got off easy, to some degree, due to a technicality. If this turns out true, the fight should be ruled a no contest and Rivas should be ordered to fight someone else for the mandatory or interim or whatever it is.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:51

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:11

It's his second time. I'm hoping the penalty, if true, is stiff. Else we'll see someone seriously hurt or killed in the ring, with that tied to some PED use by opponent. Miller got off easy, to some degree, due to a technicality. If this turns out true, the fight should be ruled a no contest and Rivas should be ordered to fight someone else for the mandatory or interim or whatever it is.

Can a single instance of greater-than-normal-injury or death be tied to PED usage in boxing?

The risk/reward for athletes is extremely attractive. Sports pay out billions and billions every year, a slap on the wrist for using PEDs means nothing. Whyte is probably the least surprising positive test that could have happened at HW aside from AJ or Miller. It's also his second which is very indicative of a career of usage. In that case, he's earned millions of pounds so even if he's suspended for life he's still better off than being a bagger at Tesco. Risk/Reward is too great for athletes to skip.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:55

Saying they were both clear to fight?

If that’s true, this is typical UKAD. But I don’t believe VADA are like this. They would have informed WBC.

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:58

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:55

Saying they were both clear to fight?

If that’s true, this is typical UKAD. But I don’t believe VADA are like this. They would have informed WBC.

"Clear to fight" doesn't address the situation.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:57

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:51

Can a single instance of greater-than-normal-injury or death be tied to PED usage in boxing?

The risk/reward for athletes is extremely attractive. Sports pay out billions and billions every year, a slap on the wrist for using PEDs means nothing. Whyte is probably the least surprising positive test that could have happened at HW aside from AJ or Miller. It's also his second which is very indicative of a career of usage. In that case, he's earned millions of pounds so even if he's suspended for life he's still better off than being a bagger at Tesco. Risk/Reward is too great for athletes to skip.

I see it as the PED's that increase stamina can cause greater damage by allowing the abuser to sustain higher punch output for longer and with more power and faster recovery. Thus increasing the damage singularly and cumulatively to the opponent.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 20:03

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 19:57

I see it as the PED's that increase stamina can cause greater damage by allowing the abuser to sustain higher punch output for longer and with more power and faster recovery. Thus increasing the damage singularly and cumulatively to the opponent.

True. But my point is that we've never seen PEDs directly responsible for a single death or greater than typical boxing injury. TBH there is much greater danger from the horrible mismatches we see every single week, but because a scary tag word like drug isn't included no one seems to care.

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 20:05

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 20:03

True. But my point is that we've never seen PEDs directly responsible for a single death or greater than typical boxing injury. TBH there is much greater danger from the horrible mismatches we see every single week, but because a scary tag word like drug isn't included no one seems to care.

That's not entirely the point. Say God forbid, a fighter is seriously hurt in the ring or dies. The opponent is then reported to have failed a drug test showing PED usage. That will create a firestorm perhaps including lawsuits and/or criminal charges to more than one party. It would be a giant shvtstorm.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 20:09

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 20:05

That's not entirely the point. Say God forbid, a fighter is seriously hurt in the ring or dies. The opponent is then reported to have failed a drug test showing PED usage. That will create a firestorm perhaps including lawsuits and/or criminal charges to more than one party. It would be a giant shvtstorm.

But that has never happened because PEDs aren't the all powerful monster creator that people think they are. There is also enough faux-morality in the boxing world that fighters are at least slapped on the wrist for using PEDs.

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 20:10

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 20:09

But that has never happened because PEDs aren't the all powerful monster creator that people think they are. There is also enough faux-morality in the boxing world that fighters are at least slapped on the wrist for using PEDs.

Believe me, it's a perfect storm waiting to happen.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 20:11

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 20:10
Believe me, it's a perfect storm waiting to happen.

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