oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Jul 2019, 20:41
Fury must be the smartest guy in the room. 100 million and look who he faces. How does Arum let this happen? Keeping Fury safe for the big money rematch?
No idea what Arum is thinking.
They have to be losing a fortune
Absolutely.
I rather like Charles Martin (even I don't really know why) but he isn't likely to trouble Fury too much. I've seen literally hundreds of worse mismatches though, and so have you.
Right from kick off I have been totally bemused by what Arum is doing with Fury. On the one hand I couldn't see how the hell he was going to avoid losing a lot of money on this project, and on the other hand thinking Bob Arum didn't get where he's got by making stupid decisions. Could it be the onset of senility ?
All he seems to have achieved so far is to flush cash down the toilet and deprive boxing fans of a potentially great rematch.
No idea what Arum is thinking.
They have to be losing a fortune
Absolutely.
I rather like Charles Martin (even I don't really know why) but he isn't likely to trouble Fury too much. I've seen literally hundreds of worse mismatches though, and so have you.
Right from kick off I have been totally bemused by what Arum is doing with Fury. On the one hand I couldn't see how the hell he was going to avoid losing a lot of money on this project, and on the other hand thinking Bob Arum didn't get where he's got by making stupid decisions. Could it be the onset of senility ?
All he seems to have achieved so far is to flush cash down the toilet and deprive boxing fans of a potentially great rematch.
Some good points Slim
I don't even think there will be a rematch with Wilder. Since the fight they have realised he lost and don't want to risk it with a now ring-ready Fury.
@Kiwi: Well that is what I would have expected because it is my conviction that Fury only made the 'acceptable opponent list' because he was perceived as being a name-opponent who would be extremely beatable, because of his being physically fukced such a short time before (Yeah yeah I'm only saying that because I'm a Wilder-hater, nothing to do with having my fukcing eyes open at all ) but in fairness it seemed evident to me that Wilder and his team were deadly serious about the rematch before Arum/Fury put the kybosh on it.
Now that may be because they felt the damage had already been done or maybe that they thought Deontay would have the beating of him next time. I suspect the latter because he still had his title and the talk of Fury having won the fight soon fades away.
I'm not a fan of Arum, but believe he is doing the right thing not putting Fury right back in with Wilder. He cautioned Joshua's people not to do that with Ruiz, and to get his confidence back up first.
Yes, Fury wasn't KO'd, but I think many ref's would have called it. He out-boxed Wilder enough for a win, but wasn't a landslide. He may have had lingering effects of the big punches, who knows.
This is Fury all over. He only takes risks when there’s a sizeable reward there.
Smart for his bank balance no doubt but not great for the fans. He’d make a terrible champion because mandatory challengers would have to be faced.
If he beats Wilder in any rematch then I’d fully expect him to let go of the title or ‘retire’ again so he can cherry pick opponents when he returns.
I think that's harsh. If Fury has the cojones to take on Wider chez Uncle Sam, having not had a fight in almost 4 years - don't anybody dare offer Seferi and Pianetta by way of contradiction - and having become the pin-up boy for pisshead, druggie couch-potatoes everywhere, then I don't see him fearing anyone.
Realistically who could beat him? Wilder, Joshua, possibly Usyk, Ruiz, Whyte, Hrgoviic ... now I'm struggling.
candyslim wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 12:05
I think that's harsh. If Fury has the cojones to take on Wider chez Uncle Sam, having not had a fight in almost 4 years - don't anybody dare offer Seferi and Pianetta by way of contradiction - and having become the pin-up boy for pisshead, druggie couch-potatoes everywhere, then I don't see him fearing anyone.
Realistically who could beat him? Wilder, Joshua, possibly Usyk, Ruiz, Whyte, Hrgoviic ... now I'm struggling.
I massively applaud him for that no doubt, same as beating Wlad in Germany, absolutely quality stuff. I am a fan to a degree, I was a big fan but went to one of these ‘night with Tyson Fury’ things a while ago and my opinion changed. I was very disappointed and I don’t find him particularly genuine, but that’s another discussion.
He will take the risks when the rewards are there, but true champs don’t pick and choose like he constantly has throughout his career. That’s why he will ditch any belt as soon as he wins one. He won’t want the tougher fights that mandatories would bring. He’s happy to sit back and allow the rest to fight and then say ‘see, I told you I’d beat them’ if they fail, despite not doing any of the dirty work himself. You list a few who could beat him, I think you might be generous with that many names but they’d be competitive. How many do you think we’ll see him fight though? Probably only Wilder on that list
Wouldn't it make more sense for Fury to fight the guy that easily beat Martin? I don't see Kownacki as a dangerous fight for him, but definitely would be a more rewarding win for Fury.
Glazkov is probably the only notable win Martin has had, ever.
It's not a bad keep busy fight for Fury but I think he needs more of them. He should be fighting every 6-8 weeks against keep busy level guys. Of course, in today's boxing world that won't happen.
candyslim wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 08:50
Nobody's saying he's skint OTO but whatever money he's generating is not down to Fury surely ?
He has a network budget and a number of dates to fill. Where he allocates the money too is up to him. A ppv like wilder/fury is where his money is at risk. ESPN+ isn't dependent on boxing like dazn. They have popular sports too.
I’m not averse to this fight, it’s a question of who is available and who is willing to take it. Pulev wouldn’t because he’d lose his IBF mandatory position and ditto for Trevor Bryan as the WBA Interim ‘champion’. Ideally Fury would fight someone from the top five but we all know that won’t happen, because Fury doesn’t have a belt (unless we count the Lineal title) so there’s no real reward for those already in position for a shot...
chinarich wrote: ↑28 Jul 2019, 13:59
I’m not averse to this fight, it’s a question of who is available and who is willing to take it. Pulev wouldn’t because he’d lose his IBF mandatory position and ditto for Trevor Bryan as the WBA Interim ‘champion’. Ideally Fury would fight someone from the top five but we all know that won’t happen, because Fury doesn’t have a belt (unless we count the Lineal title) so there’s no real reward for those already in position for a shot...
I mean the Top 5 are him, Ruiz, Wilder, Joshua and arguably the #5 spot is arguable between Ortiz, Whyte and Povetkin. We know it couldn't be Ruiz, Joshua, Wilder or Ortiz for obvious reasons. Whyte just popped hot. So Povetkin would be the only big name option that MIGHT be available at the moment. I'm sure it's just so much easier for them to deal with a guy like Martin.
Plus...I think they know that as far as most people know. Beating "Former World Champion" Martin, is all the same as beating "Former World Champion" Povetkin in the eyes of most who don't really know the sport...which is most.
candyslim wrote: ↑27 Jul 2019, 08:50
Nobody's saying he's skint OTO but whatever money he's generating is not down to Fury surely ?
He has a network budget and a number of dates to fill. Where he allocates the money too is up to him. A ppv like wilder/fury is where his money is at risk. ESPN+ isn't dependent on boxing like dazn. They have popular sports too.
I understand that he controls the budget allocation, that he has slots to fill, and that boxing is not the only sport, but when you distill it right down he is supposedly paying $100m to Fury which he didn't have to do, so this is additional to all the other considerations which are still going to be there.
I can't see that Fury v Schwarz represents any kind of return on the investment and I don't imagine Martin will be much different, Still, what do I know? I'd back his business acumen over mine anytime.
chinarich wrote: ↑28 Jul 2019, 13:59
I’m not averse to this fight, it’s a question of who is available and who is willing to take it. Pulev wouldn’t because he’d lose his IBF mandatory position and ditto for Trevor Bryan as the WBA Interim ‘champion’. Ideally Fury would fight someone from the top five but we all know that won’t happen, because Fury doesn’t have a belt (unless we count the Lineal title) so there’s no real reward for those already in position for a shot...
I mean the Top 5 are him, Ruiz, Wilder, Joshua and arguably the #5 spot is arguable between Ortiz, Whyte and Povetkin. We know it couldn't be Ruiz, Joshua, Wilder or Ortiz for obvious reasons. Whyte just popped hot. So Povetkin would be the only big name option that MIGHT be available at the moment. I'm sure it's just so much easier for them to deal with a guy like Martin.
Plus...I think they know that as far as most people know. Beating "Former World Champion" Martin, is all the same as beating "Former World Champion" Povetkin in the eyes of most who don't really know the sport...which is most.
True, “former world champion” always sells to the casuals...
) but in fairness it seemed evident to me that Wilder and his team were deadly serious about the rematch before Arum/Fury put the kybosh on it.