The PED's top 5 list, p4p, active fighters only

[gilgamesh]

What is the list? Ranking proven PED users as boxers? Ranking them by severity of offense?

If the first, Canelo would be number 1. I'd prob have Luis Nery number 2.

Nery's PED use helped me with one of my most exact picks. I had picked him to stop Yamanaka between rounds 4 thru 6, and he did...the time he then turned around and tested positive for PED's

But he helped me nail my prediction so I'll take it

[margaret thatcher]

Nice pick, I was unconvinced by him at that time. Seemed a bit wild and not proven vs good opposition. He got hurt the first round by Yamanaka but pretty much every other round they fought he pounded on Shinny

[ValMar]

I don't count Cocaine as a PED no, because it wouldn't enhance your performance.

Yes ! The same thing with canabis (unlucky Chavez Jr.)....................

[lillywhite14]

What was the final story of Tyson Fury testing positive for Nandrolone?

He blamed uncastrated boar and then accepted a two year backdated ban. Accepting a ban for drugs is admission of guilt.
It’s potentially the real reason why he had his “breakdown” perhaps?

[oogiebe]

What was the final story of Tyson Fury testing positive for Nandrolone?

He blamed uncastrated boar and then accepted a two year backdated ban. Accepting a ban for drugs is admission of guilt.
It’s potentially the real reason why he had his “breakdown” perhaps?

Is that true??? LMFAO!!!!

[boxing_rocks]

Shame on y'all for putting the "face of boxing" in #1 spot for eating "Mexican beef"

-- Senor Pipi

[Onetimeonly]

I don't count Cocaine as a PED no, because it wouldn't enhance your performance.

Yes ! The same thing with canabis (unlucky Chavez Jr.)....................

Not true with weed. Relaxing is as important as anything in the ring. Anxiety is a boxers staminas worst nightmare. That's not to say I think pot is a ped giving an unfair advantage, but it certainly can help the individual. I loved boxing high.

[gilgamesh]

Yes ! The same thing with canabis (unlucky Chavez Jr.)....................

Not true with weed. Relaxing is as important as anything in the ring. Anxiety is a boxers staminas worst nightmare. That's not to say I think pot is a ped giving an unfair advantage, but it certainly can help the individual. I loved boxing high.

In my experience, damn near everything you can imagine is better high

[Bandog]

i'll be honest the taco one got me - the funny thing is the president of the WBC came out and said all of the cattle in Mexico are infested with clenbuterol as an excuse

I believe there is some truth to that when it comes to cows - https://www.usada.org/clenbuterol-and-m ... amination/

Yes, in Mexico, and a couple of other countries. This has been well known for years. Its so foolish to consume meat there it is laughable, but a pathetic excuse. Canelo did the exact same thing as Erik Morales, and got 1 & a half years less of a ban. Money talks when you talk about what is fair.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I don't count Cocaine as a PED no, because it wouldn't enhance your performance.

Yes ! The same thing with canabis (unlucky Chavez Jr.)....................

Mike Tyson got his fight ruled a NC when he tested positive for weed. Again hardly a PED..

[JohnReed]

My contribution to this thread is mundane, but I'll make it nonetheless.

I've been a boxing fan since 1975, when I was just a kid. I've followed the sport closely for years. I can say for a fact that the fighters of the 1970s and 1980s -- generally speaking, that is -- were not as cut, lean, defined, or toned as most contenders are today. I mean sure...there were some 1970s and 1980s fighters that were incredibly cut, but they were the exception. Not the norm.

There's no doubt in my mind that PED use is probably the norm today, not the exception. Remember what Tommy Morrison said years ago, when he admitted that he was a steroid monster during his prime? Morrison said that "anytime" you see a guy that's incredibly muscular, or super-cut and defined, then he's got to be on something. Hearing it from Morrison is as good as hearing from the horse's mouth as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe authorities in all pro sports should start investigating how PED's can be used in moderation, under doctor's supervision, without threatening an athlete's health too severely. I say this because sports authorities will never succeed in weeding out PED's. It's probably better to allow doping, to regulate it, and to make it available to all fighters in order to level the playing field on a competitive level.

Just my thoughts, whatever they're worth.

[oogiebe]

My contribution to this thread is mundane, but I'll make it nonetheless.

I've been a boxing fan since 1975, when I was just a kid. I've followed the sport closely for years. I can say for a fact that the fighters of the 1970s and 1980s -- generally speaking, that is -- were not as cut, lean, defined, or toned as most contenders are today. I mean sure...there were some 1970s and 1980s fighters that were incredibly cut, but they were the exception. Not the norm.

There's no doubt in my mind that PED use is probably the norm today, not the exception. Remember what Tommy Morrison said years ago, when he admitted that he was a steroid monster during his prime? Morrison said that "anytime" you see a guy that's incredibly muscular, or super-cut and defined, then he's got to be on something. Hearing it from Morrison is as good as hearing from the horse's mouth as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe authorities in all pro sports should start investigating how PED's can be used in moderation, under doctor's supervision, without threatening an athlete's health too severely. I say this because sports authorities will never succeed in weeding out PED's. It's probably better to allow doping, to regulate it, and to make it available to all fighters in order to level the playing field on a competitive level.

Just my thoughts, whatever they're worth.

Except for allowing it.

[ironbeard]

I support having a list of all caught users - (and document the excuses my favourite is tainted meat) !

The Mexican taco or the Austrian Boar?

I’ll take both, with a Porcupine Ridge Syrah.

[ironbeard]

My contribution to this thread is mundane, but I'll make it nonetheless.

I've been a boxing fan since 1975, when I was just a kid. I've followed the sport closely for years. I can say for a fact that the fighters of the 1970s and 1980s -- generally speaking, that is -- were not as cut, lean, defined, or toned as most contenders are today. I mean sure...there were some 1970s and 1980s fighters that were incredibly cut, but they were the exception. Not the norm.

There's no doubt in my mind that PED use is probably the norm today, not the exception. Remember what Tommy Morrison said years ago, when he admitted that he was a steroid monster during his prime? Morrison said that "anytime" you see a guy that's incredibly muscular, or super-cut and defined, then he's got to be on something. Hearing it from Morrison is as good as hearing from the horse's mouth as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe authorities in all pro sports should start investigating how PED's can be used in moderation, under doctor's supervision, without threatening an athlete's health too severely. I say this because sports authorities will never succeed in weeding out PED's. It's probably better to allow doping, to regulate it, and to make it available to all fighters in order to level the playing field on a competitive level.

Just my thoughts, whatever they're worth.

Good post.

I support an open division and a strict no PED division.

[lazboy]

Clearly Peds are being used today although I figure they are not as rampant as was the case in the 90's to mid 2000's. Look at the pace of De la Hoya v Mosley 1, a non stop action fest with both throwing big punches endlessly. Compare that with some of our welterweight show downs today and you won't see that kind of pace. The fighters back in the 90's, 2000, looked they had super human stamina.

I think the drug testing has curtailed it somewhat.....however there are sneaky ways around it, such as fighting twice a year which allows for time between fights to 'prepare' the body.

[ValMar]

I will try to be serious now. The penalties for using PEDs have to be much more rigorous, the minimum penalty should be at least one year, The 6 months penalty is simply farcical.

[Onetimeonly]

I will try to be serious now. The penalties for using PEDs have to be much more rigorous, the minimum penalty should be at least one year, The 6 months penalty is simply farcical.

So is a year.

[oogiebe]

I will try to be serious now. The penalties for using PEDs have to be much more rigorous, the minimum penalty should be at least one year, The 6 months penalty is simply farcical.

So is a year.

At least a year costs the fighter a fight or two. 6 months is merely in between two fights. I say, if someone tests positive, they have to pay (out of pocket) for drug tests everyday of all training camps in the future and by an independent testing facility. Hit them in the pocket book and things will change.

[Onetimeonly]

So is a year.

At least a year costs the fighter a fight or two. 6 months is merely in between two fights. I say, if someone tests positive, they have to pay (out of pocket) for drug tests everyday of all training camps in the future and by an independent testing facility. Hit them in the pocket book and things will change.

Meh, a year is nothing. And nothing will change.

[greg]

At least a year costs the fighter a fight or two. 6 months is merely in between two fights. I say, if someone tests positive, they have to pay (out of pocket) for drug tests everyday of all training camps in the future and by an independent testing facility. Hit them in the pocket book and things will change.

Meh, a year is nothing. And nothing will change.

yeah, one year seems like worth taking the risk..in some cases slapping punitive damages on top might do the trick..

[margaret thatcher]

These dudes probably loading up in their time off

[apollo creed]

You should call them

Clenbuteronelo /Beefnelo
Luis "High Blood Pressure" Ortiz
Dillian "I won fair and square" Whyte
Jarrell "Big Cocktail" Miller
Alexander "RUSADA Vityaz" Povetkin
Billy Nasal Spray

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Kid Galahad must be number 6 then?

[margaret thatcher]

[tiny_acres]

1: Wilder, with cars full of drugs, all the drugs addicted cheaters in his family, having cripple children and name it, but officially never been caught by anti doping labs because he cooperates with them.
2: Stiverne, who allways managed to get away with his doping use because he cooperates along the same connections as Wilder does, untill the moment he took doping right in front of a doping tester, at that point even his friends at the lab couldn't help him out.
3: Arreola, smoking more joints a day then Wilder got in his car and still remain a pro boxer, that deserves an applause, at least in some way.
4: Shannon Briggs, the only guy who manages to fool me, had had it all, including a title shot against someone who he could have beaten in a fair way and then he failed a doping test. It really depressed me, finally an American who could do something special in sports, without cheating, and then it turns out to be a cheat anyway.
5: Floyd Mayweather Jr, the guy who makes so much money that people just let him get away with all his cheating stuff, tipical American style.

Now I know that some people might suggest that some of these fighters aren't active any more, but for me they only claim to be inactive to avoid beïng tested and then make a comeback to help their drugs friends out, or to make a big bag of money.

Assfukt is back again.