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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 14:52 What is the list? Ranking proven PED users as boxers? Ranking them by severity of offense?

If the first, Canelo would be number 1. I'd prob have Luis Nery number 2.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 14:47 I don't count Cocaine as a PED no, because it wouldn't enhance your performance.

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 14:53 What was the final story of Tyson Fury testing positive for Nandrolone?

lillywhite14 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 15:44

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 14:53 What was the final story of Tyson Fury testing positive for Nandrolone?

He blamed uncastrated boar and then accepted a two year backdated ban. Accepting a ban for drugs is admission of guilt.
It’s potentially the real reason why he had his “breakdown” perhaps?

ValMar wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 15:38

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 14:47 I don't count Cocaine as a PED no, because it wouldn't enhance your performance.

Yes ! The same thing with canabis (unlucky Chavez Jr.)....................

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 17:14

ValMar wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 15:38

Yes ! The same thing with canabis (unlucky Chavez Jr.)....................

Not true with weed. Relaxing is as important as anything in the ring. Anxiety is a boxers staminas worst nightmare. That's not to say I think pot is a ped giving an unfair advantage, but it certainly can help the individual. I loved boxing high.

Nondescript wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 13:59

kbackup408 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 09:17

i'll be honest the taco one got me - the funny thing is the president of the WBC came out and said all of the cattle in Mexico are infested with clenbuterol as an excuse

I believe there is some truth to that when it comes to cows - https://www.usada.org/clenbuterol-and-m ... amination/

ValMar wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 15:38

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 14:47 I don't count Cocaine as a PED no, because it wouldn't enhance your performance.

Yes ! The same thing with canabis (unlucky Chavez Jr.)....................

JohnReed wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 19:49 My contribution to this thread is mundane, but I'll make it nonetheless.

I've been a boxing fan since 1975, when I was just a kid. I've followed the sport closely for years. I can say for a fact that the fighters of the 1970s and 1980s -- generally speaking, that is -- were not as cut, lean, defined, or toned as most contenders are today. I mean sure...there were some 1970s and 1980s fighters that were incredibly cut, but they were the exception. Not the norm.

There's no doubt in my mind that PED use is probably the norm today, not the exception. Remember what Tommy Morrison said years ago, when he admitted that he was a steroid monster during his prime? Morrison said that "anytime" you see a guy that's incredibly muscular, or super-cut and defined, then he's got to be on something. Hearing it from Morrison is as good as hearing from the horse's mouth as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe authorities in all pro sports should start investigating how PED's can be used in moderation, under doctor's supervision, without threatening an athlete's health too severely. I say this because sports authorities will never succeed in weeding out PED's. It's probably better to allow doping, to regulate it, and to make it available to all fighters in order to level the playing field on a competitive level.

Just my thoughts, whatever they're worth.

keirw wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 09:09

kbackup408 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 08:32 I support having a list of all caught users - (and document the excuses my favourite is tainted meat) !

The Mexican taco or the Austrian Boar?

JohnReed wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 19:49 My contribution to this thread is mundane, but I'll make it nonetheless.

I've been a boxing fan since 1975, when I was just a kid. I've followed the sport closely for years. I can say for a fact that the fighters of the 1970s and 1980s -- generally speaking, that is -- were not as cut, lean, defined, or toned as most contenders are today. I mean sure...there were some 1970s and 1980s fighters that were incredibly cut, but they were the exception. Not the norm.

There's no doubt in my mind that PED use is probably the norm today, not the exception. Remember what Tommy Morrison said years ago, when he admitted that he was a steroid monster during his prime? Morrison said that "anytime" you see a guy that's incredibly muscular, or super-cut and defined, then he's got to be on something. Hearing it from Morrison is as good as hearing from the horse's mouth as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe authorities in all pro sports should start investigating how PED's can be used in moderation, under doctor's supervision, without threatening an athlete's health too severely. I say this because sports authorities will never succeed in weeding out PED's. It's probably better to allow doping, to regulate it, and to make it available to all fighters in order to level the playing field on a competitive level.

Just my thoughts, whatever they're worth.

ValMar wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 06:36 I will try to be serious now. The penalties for using PEDs have to be much more rigorous, the minimum penalty should be at least one year, The 6 months penalty is simply farcical.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 13:33

ValMar wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 06:36 I will try to be serious now. The penalties for using PEDs have to be much more rigorous, the minimum penalty should be at least one year, The 6 months penalty is simply farcical.

So is a year.

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 13:58

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 13:33

So is a year.

At least a year costs the fighter a fight or two. 6 months is merely in between two fights. I say, if someone tests positive, they have to pay (out of pocket) for drug tests everyday of all training camps in the future and by an independent testing facility. Hit them in the pocket book and things will change.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 14:09

oogiebe wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 13:58
At least a year costs the fighter a fight or two. 6 months is merely in between two fights. I say, if someone tests positive, they have to pay (out of pocket) for drug tests everyday of all training camps in the future and by an independent testing facility. Hit them in the pocket book and things will change.

Meh, a year is nothing. And nothing will change.

dagilechia wrote: ↑30 Jul 2019, 07:32 You should call them

Clenbuteronelo /Beefnelo
Luis "High Blood Pressure" Ortiz
Dillian "I won fair and square" Whyte
Jarrell "Big Cocktail" Miller
Alexander "RUSADA Vityaz" Povetkin
Billy Nasal Spray

characters wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 13:42 1: Wilder, with cars full of drugs, all the drugs addicted cheaters in his family, having cripple children and name it, but officially never been caught by anti doping labs because he cooperates with them.
2: Stiverne, who allways managed to get away with his doping use because he cooperates along the same connections as Wilder does, untill the moment he took doping right in front of a doping tester, at that point even his friends at the lab couldn't help him out.
3: Arreola, smoking more joints a day then Wilder got in his car and still remain a pro boxer, that deserves an applause, at least in some way.
4: Shannon Briggs, the only guy who manages to fool me, had had it all, including a title shot against someone who he could have beaten in a fair way and then he failed a doping test. It really depressed me, finally an American who could do something special in sports, without cheating, and then it turns out to be a cheat anyway.
5: Floyd Mayweather Jr, the guy who makes so much money that people just let him get away with all his cheating stuff, tipical American style.

Now I know that some people might suggest that some of these fighters aren't active any more, but for me they only claim to be inactive to avoid beïng tested and then make a comeback to help their drugs friends out, or to make a big bag of money.