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Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 18:33 You listen to the way some of these guys go on you'd think Povetkin is a stone cold junkie nodding out in the alley. As far as I know the only drug evidence against him was the alleged microscopic traces of a health food store substance that was perfectly legal a few months before and was apparently still residual in his body in minute amounts, and that was all a setup to keep their cash cow Wilder from getting beat up in Russia, with the assistance of the Vada branch of the mafia from Las Vegas Nevada. He was later even cleared of that spurious charge in of all places a New York City courtroom!

Correct me if im wrong. Contrary to popular opinion I'm not right 100% of the time. Saying "pedvetkin" is not considered a legally acceptible correction.

JohnReed wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 19:47

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 18:33 You listen to the way some of these guys go on you'd think Povetkin is a stone cold junkie nodding out in the alley. As far as I know the only drug evidence against him was the alleged microscopic traces of a health food store substance that was perfectly legal a few months before and was apparently still residual in his body in minute amounts, and that was all a setup to keep their cash cow Wilder from getting beat up in Russia, with the assistance of the Vada branch of the mafia from Las Vegas Nevada. He was later even cleared of that spurious charge in of all places a New York City courtroom!

Correct me if im wrong. Contrary to popular opinion I'm not right 100% of the time. Saying "pedvetkin" is not considered a legally acceptible correction.

I don't think Wilder's handlers set-up the drug charges against Povetkin. But I do think that Povetkin probably would have beaten Wilder at that point in time. In the three years since then, the two fighters have moved in opposite directions, of course. Wilder has matured, and Povetkin has gotten older. Wilder would definitely beat Povetkin now, but -- in my opinion at least -- the opposite would have been the case in 2016.

In terms of who was responsible for triggering the "Povetkin is juicing" hysteria, I'll repeat what I've already said: I really suspect that statesmen and spooks -- not boxing people -- got the ball rolling. I could say more, but I'll leave it at that.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 23:12

JohnReed wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 19:47

I don't think Wilder's handlers set-up the drug charges against Povetkin. But I do think that Povetkin probably would have beaten Wilder at that point in time. In the three years since then, the two fighters have moved in opposite directions, of course. Wilder has matured, and Povetkin has gotten older. Wilder would definitely beat Povetkin now, but -- in my opinion at least -- the opposite would have been the case in 2016.

In terms of who was responsible for triggering the "Povetkin is juicing" hysteria, I'll repeat what I've already said: I really suspect that statesmen and spooks -- not boxing people -- got the ball rolling. I could say more, but I'll leave it at that.

I'm guessing it in that case it was primarily the boxing people. They were afraid that their cash cow, Wilder, would be beaten. He knew about the setup in advance. He never even went to Russia to acclimate and train. But of course the "statesmen and spooks" - and the media bosses - are always eager to hate on Russia. I agree with you about the probable outcome of a Pov-Wilder fight then and now. Pov showed some of what he could do early on in the Joshua fight, and I was so disappointed that he couldn't keep it up and ran out of gas. He also fought Wlad when both were at their peaks, and it was Wlad's most disgraceful fight. He hung on like an octopus. He should have been warned and then dq'd.

JohnReed wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 16:50

candyslim wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 13:59 He has proved he can mix it with the big boys....

I'm not so sure of that. Hughie did a lot of running against Pulev and Parker. I believe that Fury fights that way when he discovers that he's vulnerable. It could be that not many heavies can make Hughie feel that vulnerability, but those who can put him into full reverse gear.

In other words, strong guys with a punch probably make Hughie gun shy. If Hughie had planted his feet more against Parker and Pulev, he might very well have been KO'd.

Just my guess.

JohnReed wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 17:06

candyslim wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 15:01 Eventually they (VADA/WBC) admitted they couldn't be sure the tiny amount in his body wasn't left over from before the ban. He gets way more hate than he deserves.

Good point. I'll add something else too.

That is, I can't help but wonder if political players -- the US State Department, the CIA, or their EU allies -- were pulling strings behind the scenes to narc on Povetkin. I say this because of the political tension that's existed between Russia and the US & Co. since 2014. That's when the Ukraine conflict broke out, and the US responded by sanctioning Russia and, possibly, started pulling a lot of other tricks to embarrass Putin in front of his own people. Think about it.

Only after 2014 -- in the context of international conflict -- did all the hysteria about PED-abusing Russians come to the surface. As heavy-duty fight fans, we already know that athletes from all countries are doping, so it's weird that Russia was singled out for abusing at this time. Maybe there's link between the way Povetkin was treated and all the other political stuff that's been happening on the international political scene.

Call me a conspiracy freak if you wish, but I can't help but wonder about these "coincidences."

ironbeard wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 00:31

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 23:12


I'm guessing it in that case it was primarily the boxing people. They were afraid that their cash cow, Wilder, would be beaten. He knew about the setup in advance. He never even went to Russia to acclimate and train. But of course the "statesmen and spooks" - and the media bosses - are always eager to hate on Russia. I agree with you about the probable outcome of a Pov-Wilder fight then and now. Pov showed some of what he could do early on in the Joshua fight, and I was so disappointed that he couldn't keep it up and ran out of gas. He also fought Wlad when both were at their peaks, and it was Wlad's most disgraceful fight. He hung on like an octopus. He should have been warned and then dq'd.

Now that you three have solved that conspiracy . . .

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 01:50

JohnReed wrote: ↑31 Jul 2019, 17:06

Good point. I'll add something else too.

That is, I can't help but wonder if political players -- the US State Department, the CIA, or their EU allies -- were pulling strings behind the scenes to narc on Povetkin. I say this because of the political tension that's existed between Russia and the US & Co. since 2014. That's when the Ukraine conflict broke out, and the US responded by sanctioning Russia and, possibly, started pulling a lot of other tricks to embarrass Putin in front of his own people. Think about it.

Only after 2014 -- in the context of international conflict -- did all the hysteria about PED-abusing Russians come to the surface. As heavy-duty fight fans, we already know that athletes from all countries are doping, so it's weird that Russia was singled out for abusing at this time. Maybe there's link between the way Povetkin was treated and all the other political stuff that's been happening on the international political scene.

Call me a conspiracy freak if you wish, but I can't help but wonder about these "coincidences."

Well I've been called a conspiracy freak largely because of what I've said on this subject. When you consider how carefully matched Wilder has been, studiously avoiding unifications, and up until last year anybody of elite quality, I find it surprising that anyone would be naive enough to think he was going to be allowed to go to Russia to face a then formidable opponent on his home ground, where officials would be hostile and all the hometown advantages would be on the side of the Russian.

I'm not sure if that is an anti-Russian agenda so much as pro-US. I'm an outsider looking in, but it seems to me (I'm probably oversimplifying) that a good part of boxing's decline as a sport is the loss of its number one supporter, the American public, and a good part of that was the loss of the stranglehold Uncle Sam had always had on the flagship Heavyweight title. I don't think they would have been happy to see Povetkin complete the job that the Klitschko brothers had inadvertently been doing for so many years.

We have seen how much a part of the team is Mauricio Sulaiman. It wouldn't be too hard to convince VADA that it would be in everybody's interest to find a reason for 'just a slight postponement of the fight' would it? It has been said many times (invariably by the same poster) that this is crap because no way would Team Wilder turn down by far his biggest pay day so far, but as I always counter they would have good reason to expect payment without having to fight by suing the "Russian drug cheat" for loss of earnings. They did just that but Povetkin's people fought it and eventually won in a New York court.

I don't hate Wilder, I don't have an agenda, and I'm not anti-American or pro-Russian or any of that bollocks. I'm just someone who doesn't like the flavour of bullshit and isn't going to swallow it without gagging.

Evander wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 04:33 Match up doing nothing for me.
I'll watch it but what's the big deal.

morm wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 04:25 This fight i like and i watch it :)

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 09:38 That is a good point Bigman. Maybe they nominated Pov as official number one on merit, and only later when Ryabinski won the bidding did the implications hit home. Who knows?

bigman1968 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 09:48

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 09:38 That is a good point Bigman. Maybe they nominated Pov as official number one on merit, and only later when Ryabinski won the bidding did the implications hit home. Who knows?

The simpliest explanation is always the right one....99.9% of conspiracies are well explained by human stupidity and incompetence.

Winter king wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 06:44 I dont think hughie is good enough to defeat povetkin. If hughie beats povetkin thats a bigger upset in my mind than Aj AR ko.

jameswilson wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 09:40

morm wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 04:25 This fight i like and i watch it :)

I take it you've never watched Hughie Fury before.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 10:39 Ya, Hughie is absolutely awful to watch pretty much all the time. He's like a less skilled, less charismatic, less powerful, more negative, worse version of his cousin. To top it off he makes sure hes covered in pimples just to make him hard to look at too

Winter king wrote: ↑01 Aug 2019, 06:44 I dont think hughie is good enough to defeat povetkin. If hughie beats povetkin thats a bigger upset in my mind than Aj AR ko.