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it would be quite pointless considering that jack culcay looked pretty good against serg and b4 that fight he took a loss to Danny Jacobs. Charlo and Andrade are the only answers to taking the division back for GGG. Sergi should fight Ryota Murata.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑07 Aug 2019, 11:04 3rd best fighter ggg has ever faced.

Should be a good scrap

GGG would have a pretty damn good resume.

I was hoping steve rolls would somehow get a shot but such is life

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 22:22 I was hoping steve rolls would somehow get a shot but such is life

I don't know why but for some strange reason some people are surprised that GGG may fight Derevyanchenko. lol Like GGG didn't ever fought the best in his division.

Just by looking at GGG's resume with fights like Canelo x2, Jacobs, Lemieux and Murray, people can see that GGG fought the best in his division. So it's nothing new for me to see GGG fighting another top mw opponent in Derevyanchenko.

I think it's nothing but cheap hate on G.

GGG is doing great considering the circumstances..

greg wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 06:43 GGG is doing great considering the circumstances..

Yup. For a foreign fighter from Central Asia, who didn't speak english, GGG did more than enough as a pro boxer in US.

apollo creed wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 08:37

greg wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 06:43 GGG is doing great considering the circumstances..

Yup. For a foreign fighter from Central Asia, who didn't speak english, GGG did more than enough as a pro boxer in US.

..absolutely, I believe some boxing fans just underestimate these facts...

greg wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 08:48

apollo creed wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 08:37

Yup. For a foreign fighter from Central Asia, who didn't speak english, GGG did more than enough as a pro boxer in US.

..absolutely, I believe some boxing fans just underestimate these facts...

Yes indeed. What it frustrates me as a fan is that GGG could not get the good fights when he was a younger champion (in 2014- ) to see him at his best.

apollo creed wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 11:51

greg wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 08:48
..absolutely, I believe some boxing fans just underestimate these facts...

Yes indeed. What it frustrates me as a fan is that GGG could not get the good fights when he was a younger champion (in 2014- ) to see him at his best.

I believe some boxing fans just underestimate these facts.

There is almost no proof whatsoever of K2 having ever initiated contract negotiations with the vast majority of GGG’s big-name peers, which resulted in Tom Loeffler submitting financial offers for bouts.

From a commercial perspective, GGG would have been considered as being the proverbial A-side against almost every single fighter in the 160lbs weight class.

Also Golovkin’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).

We also need to remember that sometimes it was Team GGG that refused to take fights, as well as both Saunders’ situations I previously mentioned, Golovkin’s handers actually rejected the opportunity to face Peter Quillin, because the American wanted the fight to be awarded to the highest bidding network and promoter, but K2 couldn't permit this since Gennadiy's exclusive contract with HBO forbid him from competing on rival networks.

Why do people keep living in denial about the factuality correct object truths of reality regarding Golovkin’s commercial situation since 2013?

So does GGG doing bigger numbers than guys like Ward mean he was a bigger draw than them?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 01:20 So does GGG doing bigger numbers than guys like Ward mean he was a bigger draw than them?

Do you think that bigger gate receipts and superior cable network viewing figures are relevant barometers to gauge whether a fighter is a bigger commercial draw than their peers?

The vast majority of the revenue is surely generated via TV revenue?

Oh ya, absolutely, it would be stupid and utterly asinine to say otherwise. Only a bozo would do it.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 01:36 Oh ya, absolutely, it would be stupid and utterly asinine to say otherwise. Only a bozo would do it.

Agreed, but people can’t explain the reason why GGG’s team (who would have been the considered as the A-side) didn’t try to make fights with his big name (B-side) peers by submitting financial offers to them, but yet they persistently claim he was “ducked”.

I don’t understand why GGG’s fans believe in the myth that he was “ducked”, when there is an obvious absence of evidence to substantiate their assertion.

That is the cult of GGG for you. Dude has/had some super dedicated fans.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 01:51

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 01:36 Oh ya, absolutely, it would be stupid and utterly asinine to say otherwise. Only a bozo would do it.

Agreed, but people can’t explain the reason why GGG’s team (who would have been the considered as the A-side) didn’t try to make fights with his big name (B-side) peers by submitting financial offers to them, but yet they persistently claim he was “ducked”.

I don’t understand why GGG’s fans believe in the myth that he was “ducked”, when there is an obvious absence of evidence to substantiate their assertion.

Not sure I'm understanding about this financial offers argument. What about negotiation and pre-negotiation communication? What is the sense of completing a financial offer, a document that would be costly and submitting it publically, when there is perhaps no chance of it being accepted? I see that as a disadvantage in terms of negotiating with future parties as they would be able to bring up the offer and perhaps use it against the party.

In terms of negotiation and other communications. Are you in possession of all the correspondence between parties? Business can get very complicated and the full story is often not published on twitter and/or boxing blogs, etc.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 01:18

apollo creed wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 11:51

Yes indeed. What it frustrates me as a fan is that GGG could not get the good fights when he was a younger champion (in 2014- ) to see him at his best.

I believe some boxing fans just underestimate these facts.

There is almost no proof whatsoever of K2 having ever initiated contract negotiations with the vast majority of GGG’s big-name peers, which resulted in Tom Loeffler submitting financial offers for bouts.

From a commercial perspective, GGG would have been considered as being the proverbial A-side against almost every single fighter in the 160lbs weight class.

Also Golovkin’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).

We also need to remember that sometimes it was Team GGG that refused to take fights, as well as both Saunders’ situations I previously mentioned, Golovkin’s handers actually rejected the opportunity to face Peter Quillin, because the American wanted the fight to be awarded to the highest bidding network and promoter, but K2 couldn't permit this since Gennadiy's exclusive contract with HBO forbid him from competing on rival networks.

Why do people keep living in denial about the factuality correct object truths of reality regarding Golovkin’s commercial situation since 2013?

Son, you were not at those negotiations and discussions. So you don't know nothing for sure. You just make some assumptions based on some news/rumours. All those top ranked mw fighters at that time wanted a fortune to fight GGG and that kind of money wasn't there because neither they nor G were not big draws.

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 02:10

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 01:51
Agreed, but people can’t explain the reason why GGG’s team (who would have been the considered as the A-side) didn’t try to make fights with his big name (B-side) peers by submitting financial offers to them, but yet they persistently claim he was “ducked”.

I don’t understand why GGG’s fans believe in the myth that he was “ducked”, when there is an obvious absence of evidence to substantiate their assertion.

Not sure I'm understanding about this financial offers argument. What about negotiation and pre-negotiation communication? What is the sense of completing a financial offer, a document that would be costly and submitting it publically, when there is perhaps no chance of it being accepted? I see that as a disadvantage in terms of negotiating with future parties as they would be able to bring up the offer and perhaps use it against the party.

In terms of negotiation and other communications. Are you in possession of all the correspondence between parties? Business can get very complicated and the full story is often not published on twitter and/or boxing blogs, etc.

Spot on! EO is talking based on some news/rumours. He wasn't there or know someone from inside who was involved in those negotiation and communications. My theory is that those fighters asked for a ton of money to fight G due of the risk but the money wasn't there because they were not big draws.

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 04:24

lazboy wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 02:10

Not sure I'm understanding about this financial offers argument. What about negotiation and pre-negotiation communication? What is the sense of completing a financial offer, a document that would be costly and submitting it publically, when there is perhaps no chance of it being accepted? I see that as a disadvantage in terms of negotiating with future parties as they would be able to bring up the offer and perhaps use it against the party.

In terms of negotiation and other communications. Are you in possession of all the correspondence between parties? Business can get very complicated and the full story is often not published on twitter and/or boxing blogs, etc.

Spot on! EO is talking based on some news/rumours. He wasn't there or know someone from inside who was involved in those negotiation and communications. My theory is that those fighters asked for a ton of money to fight G due of the risk but the money wasn't there because they were not big draws.

The thing is, you can’t provide a single shred of evidence to support your assertion that K2 attempted to initiate contract negotiations with any of GGG’s big name rivals during the period under discussion.

You’re applying a god of the gaps type approach, since the complete lack of evidence to explain the reason why GGG never fought his big-name rivals compels you to automatically assume that Golovkin was avoided.

It’s a similar thought process that religious nuts adopt, when they claim that it’s proof of god whenever something exists nature that cannot yet be explained by science.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 04:42

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 04:24

Spot on! EO is talking based on some news/rumours. He wasn't there or know someone from inside who was involved in those negotiation and communications. My theory is that those fighters asked for a ton of money to fight G due of the risk but the money wasn't there because they were not big draws.

The thing is, you can’t provide a single shred of evidence to support your assertion that K2 attempted to initiate contract negotiations with any of GGG’s big name rivals during the period under discussion.

You’re applying a god of the gaps type approach, since the complete lack of evidence to explain the reason why GGG never fought his big-name rivals compels you to automatically assume that Golovkin was avoided.

It’s a similar thought process that religious nuts adopt, when they claim that it’s proof of god whenever something exists nature that cannot yet be explained by science.

Wrong son. You don't know the inside stuff from the negotiations or the discussions. You just talk to stay busy online. lol

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 05:30

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 04:42
The thing is, you can’t provide a single shred of evidence to support your assertion that K2 attempted to initiate contract negotiations with any of GGG’s big name rivals during the period under discussion.

You’re applying a god of the gaps type approach, since the complete lack of evidence to explain the reason why GGG never fought his big-name rivals compels you to automatically assume that Golovkin was avoided.

It’s a similar thought process that religious nuts adopt, when they claim that it’s proof of god whenever something exists nature that cannot yet be explained by science.

Wrong son. You don't know the inside stuff from the negotiations or the discussions. You just talk to stay busy online. lol

I think you need to attend adult literacy classes, because you seem to be mocking my lack of knowledge about events that I’m claiming never happened.

And you can’t prove they happened either.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 12:00

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 05:30

Wrong son. You don't know the inside stuff from the negotiations or the discussions. You just talk to stay busy online. lol

I think you need to attend adult literacy classes, because you seem to be mocking my lack of knowledge about events that I’m claiming never happened.

And you can’t prove they happened either.

lol

I think you speak about 'facts' 'proofs' and 'evidences' just for the sake of attention on this forum. A solid/real 'proof' or 'evidence' can be brought in to a serious discussion by someone who has an inside trusty source from a certain managerial boxing team or himself is part of that team and he really knows how the negotiations and the discussions have took place.

... I'm positive GGG team acted in HIS best interests..which should not necessarily coincide with the interests of some boxing fans here..his resume seems to be very solid in spite of 2 "losses"...simple as that..

greg wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 12:23 ... I'm positive GGG team acted in HIS best interests..which should not necessarily coincide with the interests of some boxing fans here..his resume seems to be very solid in spite of 2 "losses"...simple as that..

Correct. Actually 1 'loss'.

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 12:55

greg wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 12:23 ... I'm positive GGG team acted in HIS best interests..which should not necessarily coincide with the interests of some boxing fans here..his resume seems to be very solid in spite of 2 "losses"...simple as that..

Correct. Actually 1 'loss'.

Plus one "draw".