BoxRec

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:55

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:52 No doubt about that, but first they have to find a way to make major TV networks want them on their air. Which is the hard part.

If they wanted to, they'd find a way. Not sure major networks are the answer at first. Do well on secondary networks and maybe it would be easier at that point to land a major. Something has to change before we start to see $99.99 PPV's.

Wasn’t May-Pac and May-Mac $99?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:56

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:55
If they wanted to, they'd find a way. Not sure major networks are the answer at first. Do well on secondary networks and maybe it would be easier at that point to land a major. Something has to change before we start to see $99.99 PPV's.

Major networks are obviously the answer. The biggest stars the sport has ever had fought on Network Television. That's not a coincidence.

I agree, but they have to start somewhere.

Boxing isn't a major sport. The ratings for this fight are just good for boxing. They'd be terrible for woman's figure skating.

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:55

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:52 No doubt about that, but first they have to find a way to make major TV networks want them on their air. Which is the hard part.

If they wanted to, they'd find a way. Not sure major networks are the answer at first. Do well on secondary networks and maybe it would be easier at that point to land a major. Something has to change before we start to see $99.99 PPV's.

As soon as PPV's went over 50 dollars I swore i'd never order another one, and I haven't. If you had

Fury vs Wilder 2, Spence vs Crawford, Pac vs Floyd 2, Lomachenko vs Mikey Garcia...all that sh*t on the same card. I still ain't paying no goddamn 100 dollars to see it.

Hell I ain't paying 55.

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:57

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:56

Major networks are obviously the answer. The biggest stars the sport has ever had fought on Network Television. That's not a coincidence.

I agree, but they have to start somewhere.

It's been on secondary networks the entire time I've been a fan. Other than a handful of times that a fight has been on Network television it hasn't happened much.

Thurman vs Porter is the biggest fight I've seen on network TV in my time as a fan. That was on CBS as I recall.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:58 Boxing isn't a major sport. The ratings for this fight are just good for boxing. They'd be terrible for woman's figure skating.

It could be bigger again though if they'd promote guys the right way, and make them more accessible to the general public. As it is you have to already be a dyed in the wool Boxing fan to even hear of most guys these days.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 17:00

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:57
I agree, but they have to start somewhere.

It's been on secondary networks the entire time I've been a fan. Other than a handful of times that a fight has been on Network television it hasn't happened much.

Thurman vs Porter is the biggest fight I've seen on network TV in my time as a fan. That was on CBS as I recall.

I liked Thurman due to the fact he fought on CBS, NBC etc. I’ll give you a breakdown.

vs. Guerrero - peaked 4.2m on NBC (1st PBC broadcast - most watched fight since 1998)

vs. Collazo - peaked 1.1m on ESPN

vs. Porter - peaked 3.9m on CBS

vs. Garcia -peaked 5.1m on CBS

vs. Lopez - peaked 2.8m on FOX
——————
Probably the most watched boxer since 2000 on regular TV.

Wilder has also generated some decent numbers on free TV.

Boxing must be going through a major slump in america because hughier fury attracts about 1.8m on free to view cable (channel 5 in the UK)

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 17:01

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:58 Boxing isn't a major sport. The ratings for this fight are just good for boxing. They'd be terrible for woman's figure skating.

It could be bigger again though if they'd promote guys the right way, and make them more accessible to the general public. As it is you have to already be a dyed in the wool Boxing fan to even hear of most guys these days.

Bigger, sure. Big? No way

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 17:31

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 17:00

It's been on secondary networks the entire time I've been a fan. Other than a handful of times that a fight has been on Network television it hasn't happened much.

Thurman vs Porter is the biggest fight I've seen on network TV in my time as a fan. That was on CBS as I recall.

I liked Thurman due to the fact he fought on CBS, NBC etc. I’ll give you a breakdown.

vs. Guerrero - peaked 4.2m on NBC (1st PBC broadcast - most watched fight since 1998)

vs. Collazo - peaked 1.1m on ESPN

vs. Porter - peaked 3.9m on CBS

vs. Garcia -peaked 5.1m on CBS

vs. Lopez - peaked 2.8m on FOX
——————
Probably the most watched boxer since 2000 on regular TV.

Wilder has also generated some decent numbers on free TV.

Those numbers are shit. Look up numbers from when boxing was big here. Holmes/shavers 2 did 42 million and Larry wasn't popular!

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:59

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 16:55
If they wanted to, they'd find a way. Not sure major networks are the answer at first. Do well on secondary networks and maybe it would be easier at that point to land a major. Something has to change before we start to see $99.99 PPV's.

As soon as PPV's went over 50 dollars I swore i'd never order another one, and I haven't. If you had

Fury vs Wilder 2, Spence vs Crawford, Pac vs Floyd 2, Lomachenko vs Mikey Garcia...all that sh*t on the same card. I still ain't paying no goddamn 100 dollars to see it.

Hell I ain't paying 55.

49.99 ended it for me unless I had 10 friends going in.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 18:02

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 17:31

I liked Thurman due to the fact he fought on CBS, NBC etc. I’ll give you a breakdown.

vs. Guerrero - peaked 4.2m on NBC (1st PBC broadcast - most watched fight since 1998)

vs. Collazo - peaked 1.1m on ESPN

vs. Porter - peaked 3.9m on CBS

vs. Garcia -peaked 5.1m on CBS

vs. Lopez - peaked 2.8m on FOX
——————
Probably the most watched boxer since 2000 on regular TV.

Wilder has also generated some decent numbers on free TV.

Those numbers are poo. Look up numbers from when boxing was big here. Holmes/shavers 2 did 42 million and Larry wasn't popular!

But boxing isn’t big there anymore. No point comparing it to 70’s and 80’s.. i’m Taking about the modern era. Best numbers in the business since 2000.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 18:24

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 18:02

Those numbers are poo. Look up numbers from when boxing was big here. Holmes/shavers 2 did 42 million and Larry wasn't popular!

But boxing isn’t big there anymore. No point comparing it to 70’s and 80’s.. i’m Taking about the modern era. Best numbers in the business since 2000.

Boxing isn't big at all. It isn't going to get bigger. Those numbers aren't impressive.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 18:42

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 18:24

But boxing isn’t big there anymore. No point comparing it to 70’s and 80’s.. i’m Taking about the modern era. Best numbers in the business since 2000.

Boxing isn't big at all. It isn't going to get bigger. Those numbers aren't impressive.

Not impressive compared to what other boxers are doing today?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 20:32

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Aug 2019, 18:42

Boxing isn't big at all. It isn't going to get bigger. Those numbers aren't impressive.

Not impressive compared to what other boxers are doing today?

I didn't say that, in fact I said the opposite. Not sure what you're looking for? Maybe one or both of us got conversations crossed. In any regard, I'm confused and a bit bored. Not quite asleep, but soon.

pbc and fox are happy with those numbers

Does it compare to televised title fights when there were only 4 channels? No.

Its all relative

The current model does not help the sport (DLH, Arum type of promoting) but its a dying breed. They focus on building up a super hero like champion that gets casuals attention. Once you get to that level his fights become an event people want to watch. Kinda like the superbowl gets watched by people who know nothing about foot ball but the whole enviroment is fun to be a part off. It works for them but it does not help the growth.

PBC and Fox got it. Might be because of Fox's run with UFC but they are doing the right thing. Take Lipinets-Peterson for example. In the world of Top Rank and GBP that fight is not even co main for a PPV. Peterson was washed up and Lipinets was just a random guy who won a vacant title and was effectively used as cannon fodder for a great name to add a belt to his collection.

I casually cought the PBC on Fox show promoting the fight and I was sold. It got me interested in a fight I knew had no repercutions in the division because they did a good job at presenting Lipinets as a character. Give me a reason to care about a fight and I will watch it.

Now imagine they do it regularly even if its between their own stable. It does not have to be a Canelo fight but give me a chance to care about it and Ill watch. PBC could come up with their own top 10 and award a belt they have to chase. Give people a fight every saturday between 2 people they know and care about and they will watch.

Like i said free streams are now better and more reliable than ever. 1 million paid 50 to watch Canelo GGG I dont know anyone who missed that fight and I dont know anyone who paid for it. Its safe to assume 100 millions got it for free.

Free streams were better and more reliable 10 years ago.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 02:40 Free streams were better and more reliable 10 years ago.

Theres a bunch not free but 5 to $15 a month 1080 HD quality you get every fight including DAZN and ESPN +

People running those are making lots of money and not giving a dime to promoters. If they change to free TV and sell ads they can actually get that money back.

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 22:32

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 02:40 Free streams were better and more reliable 10 years ago.

Theres a bunch not free but 5 to $15 a month 1080 HD quality you get every fight including DAZN and ESPN +

People running those are making lots of money and not giving a dime to promoters. If they change to free TV and sell ads they can actually get that money back.

Where?

Kownacki is a very likeable honest funny fat guy with an entertaining boxing style so it's not surprising that he does decent numbers. He's never fought in Poland but he's becoming the most popular boxer here. He's becoming known even among casuals. I've even heard people in bar talking about him and it doesn't happen often to hear people talking about boxing.

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 22:32

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Aug 2019, 02:40 Free streams were better and more reliable 10 years ago.

Theres a bunch not free but 5 to $15 a month 1080 HD quality you get every fight including DAZN and ESPN +

People running those are making lots of money and not giving a dime to promoters. If they change to free TV and sell ads they can actually get that money back.

They'll get busted.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 23:18

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑11 Aug 2019, 22:32

Theres a bunch not free but 5 to $15 a month 1080 HD quality you get every fight including DAZN and ESPN +

People running those are making lots of money and not giving a dime to promoters. If they change to free TV and sell ads they can actually get that money back.

Where?

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