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Re: Technically did Martin Murray beat Sergio Martinez and unofficially took his mw 'lineal' crown?
Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 03:58
by apollo creed
ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 21:54
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 15:28
Close fight that could've gone either way, personally had Martinez just winning
I had Murray losing to Sturm by a point
Macklin got legit robbed vs Sturm though
GGG would've probably beat Martinez I think, too bad that never happened for him though, wouldve made his resume look a lot better
I would like to have seen SMartinez v 3G in 2010.
That would have been a great time for that fight. Unfortunately at that time G was unknown and he was fighting guys like Milton Nunez and Nilson Julio Tapia. And Martinez was at his best fighting guys like Pavlik and Williams.
Re: Technically did Martin Murray beat Sergio Martinez and unofficially took his mw 'lineal' crown?
Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 06:54
by ironbeard
apollo creed wrote: ↑16 Aug 2019, 03:58
ironbeard wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 21:54
I would like to have seen SMartinez v 3G in 2010.
That would have been a great time for that fight. Unfortunately at that time G was unknown and he was fighting guys like Milton Nunez and Nilson Julio Tapia. And Martinez was at his best fighting guys like Pavlik and Williams.
Post Chavez Jr., 3G would have taken SMartinez relatively easily, IMO, retrospectively speaking. 2013 13-14 3G v 2010-11 SMartinez would have been VERY competitive.
Re: Technically did Martin Murray beat Sergio Martinez and unofficially took his mw 'lineal' crown?
Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 11:51
by chrisjs1985
Not a robbery but not the correction decision IMO. I felt Murray was robbed of a knockdown but just like the Sturm fight which he deserved to win he also didn't really go for it enough. Unfortunately for him GGG beat what was left of his prime out of him and he couldn't lift a title though he probably deserved one around that time.
Re: Technically did Martin Murray beat Sergio Martinez and unofficially took his mw 'lineal' crown?
Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 18:37
by klompton
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:29
apollo creed wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:00
Facts and evidence of CompuBox Stats say otherwise. 
Here are examples of four facts:
• Unlike the amateurs, bouts in the pro ranks aren’t scored according to the punch count landed.
• CompuBox stats aren’t flawlessly accurate.
• The barometer used to determine whether the outcome of a fight should be deemed as being a “robbery” or not is subjective in nature.
• Opinions and feelings aren’t facts and nor should they be considered as being "evidence" or "proof"
These are two of your opinions:
• CompuBox punch stats are effective at undermining the judges’ scoring of fights
• The outcome of the Murray-Martinez fight was a “robbery”
Please learn to use a dictionary.
Nailed it. Compubox is bullshit.
Re: Technically did Martin Murray beat Sergio Martinez and unofficially took his mw 'lineal' crown?
Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 19:26
by JohnReed
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:29
Here are examples of four facts:
• Unlike the amateurs, bouts in the pro ranks aren’t scored according to the punch count landed.
•
The reality is that, in the pros, judges are free to score according to the punch count landed if the judge chooses to do so. Professional scoring rules give the judges considerable leeway in determining how to score.
To repeat myself: sometimes, under certain circumstances, a judge scoring a pro fight may determine that there is no way to pick a winner other than to tally the total number of punches each fighter lands in any given round. There's nothing in the professional rulebook prohibiting a judge from scoring in this way.
Re: Technically did Martin Murray beat Sergio Martinez and unofficially took his mw 'lineal' crown?
Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 19:27
by JohnReed
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Aug 2019, 07:29
Here are examples of four facts:
• Unlike the amateurs, bouts in the pro ranks aren’t scored according to the punch count landed.
•
The reality is that, in the pros, judges are free to score according to the punch count landed if the judge chooses to do so. Professional scoring rules give the judges considerable leeway in determining how to score.
To repeat myself: sometimes, under certain circumstances, a judge scoring a pro fight may determine that there is no way to pick a winner other than to tally the total number of punches each fighter lands in any given round. There's nothing in the professional rulebook prohibiting a judge from scoring in this way.