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Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote: ↑28 Aug 2019, 14:46

Noxy wrote: ↑28 Aug 2019, 13:00 It won’t move to the cage. There’s no reason for it.

The reason for moving to the cage would be to capitalise on the huge following that the UFC and the like have managed to build up.

A boxing league will never flourish under the multiple boxing organisations. Maybe, just maybe a fresh start could?

I'll stand corrected but don't all MMA fighters actually try to win, that a loss isn't the end of the road?

I don't particularly like the UFC. The best fighting the best I'd like to see Boxing steal from the UFC. The Cage....UFC can have that sh*t.

Fighting in a cage would ruin boxing. Make it into a circus side show.
The only thing keeping it going now is it's history and dignity.
Cheating and bad judging are taking that away fast enough
without a stupid cage.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑28 Aug 2019, 16:08 ... and to bars.

Holy cow! Emphasis on cow. Cows gone wild! Looks like those guys got in an altercation with a couple of lady wrestlers. It is very dangerous to get between creatures like that and food! That's why I never go to the McDonalds or Walmart without my elephant gun.

I told you boxing was morphing into "sports entertainment" wrestling.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑28 Aug 2019, 11:35

RichieKnightmare wrote: ↑28 Aug 2019, 09:33 I can't stand 'cage fighting' or whatever it's called. Boxing is a noble art, the sweet science, as practiced by humans since at least the time of the Minoan and Babylonian civilisations. Cage fighting looks like a row outside a kebab shop in Basingstoke.

Spoken by someone who has watched eff all MMA.

for your in information boxing in ancient Greek games involved throws, grappling, holds, and also was incredibly brutal, it had little or no resemblance to boxing as we know it.

As for sumeria, nobody knows anything about that as the only evidence for 'boxing' in sumeria is from plaster relief art.

The first mention of formalised boxing rules is from the olympiad of 688bc

That's true and the prize fights of the 18th and 19th centuries in Britain pre Queensbury were a different game to the boxing of today. But the fundamentals are the same - hit and don't be hit.

I've watched enough MMA to know I don't see any sport in strangling opponents or punching them when they're down.

RichieKnightmare wrote: ↑29 Aug 2019, 04:54

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑28 Aug 2019, 11:35

Spoken by someone who has watched eff all MMA.

for your in information boxing in ancient Greek games involved throws, grappling, holds, and also was incredibly brutal, it had little or no resemblance to boxing as we know it.

As for sumeria, nobody knows anything about that as the only evidence for 'boxing' in sumeria is from plaster relief art.

The first mention of formalised boxing rules is from the olympiad of 688bc

That's true and the prize fights of the 18th and 19th centuries in Britain pre Queensbury were a different game to the boxing of today. But the fundamentals are the same - hit and don't be hit.

I've watched enough MMA to know I don't see any sport in strangling opponents or punching them when they're down.

Choke holds we're allowed in ore Queensbury rules.

That's what always disgusted me since it came up: the fuckin goin after somebody who's clearly done and out (most famously henderson's knockout of bisping).

All that gay ass rollin around, grapplin', twisting and holding hands & all the while getting cheap shots in! fornicate that shit! Martial art or not!

Mano a mano, man against the cobra!
I

don't care if u're trained like a doberman to go until the ref steps in, and take some retarded twisted fighting pride in that shit or whatever it is!

you're a supposed to be a human being not an animal motherfucker!

5 y old kids know, once you have him on the floor, you maybe choke him and ask if he's done but once he's out of it you fvckin step away.

That's what always disgusted me since it came up: the fuckin goin after somebody who's clearly done and out (most famously henderson's knockout of bisping).

All that gay ass rollin around, grapplin', twisting and holding hands & all the while getting cheap shots in! fornicate that shit! Martial art or not!

Mano a mano, man against the cobra!
I

don't care if u're trained like a doberman to go until the ref steps in, and take some retarded twisted fighting pride in that shit or whatever it is!

you're a supposed to be a human being not an animal motherfucker!

5 y old kids know, once you have him on the floor, you maybe choke him and ask if he's done but once he's out of it you fvckin step away.

i am not a fan of mma as well

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑29 Aug 2019, 02:16 I told you boxing was morphing into "sports entertainment" wrestling.

Based on what?

adislav123 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2019, 09:37 That's what always disgusted me since it came up: the fuckin goin after somebody who's clearly done and out (most famously henderson's knockout of bisping).

Henderson giving Bisping an extra shot after knocking him out was beautiful. Bisping had talked massive sh*t going into that fight, and deserved a brutal beating. He got one.

Henderson had remained quiet and humble throughout the buildup to the fight, but come fight time. It's time to shut this punk motherf*ckers mouth, and that's what he did.

Even when Bisping beat him in the rematch years later, he was highly respectful of him. He learned never to talk sh*t toward Hendo like that anymore.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Aug 2019, 12:48

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑29 Aug 2019, 02:16 I told you boxing was morphing into "sports entertainment" wrestling.

Based on what?

So many things - fights at least partially predetermined at least as best as the ref and judges and other peripheral actors, like ring doctors and shilling announcers, can manage it, plus outright fixed fake fights; giant flamboyant show biz ring entrances; boxers acting crazy at "pressers" just like wrestlers; showing up with masks; phony champions...

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑29 Aug 2019, 12:55

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Aug 2019, 12:48

Based on what?

So many things - fights at least partially predetermined at least as best as the ref and judges and other peripheral actors, like ring doctors and shilling announcers, can manage it, plus outright fixed fake fights; giant flamboyant show biz ring entrances; boxers acting crazy at "pressers" just like wrestlers; showing up with masks; phony champions...

Show Biz Ring Entrances one of the cooler things about Wrestling. I got no problem with that. Rarely done right in Boxing however.

Shilling announcers is annoying.

Definitely too much corruption, but that doesn't make it sports entertainment. It's still a fight. It's just a fight where you have to realize as the B side fighter that the deck is stacked against you sometimes, and you have to factor that into your preparation for the fight.

In a perfect world everything would be 50/50 every time there's a big fight, but it usually never is.

Boxing is still what it always was. A violent sport that draws in shady people to try to get away what they can get away with.

Great fighters, can and have overcome attempted corruption in the past, and when it's absolutely blatant nobody ever forgets, and everybody always acknowledges the reality of what they saw.

Whitaker vs Chavez for instance. When Sweet Pea died a while back everybody went on and on about the brilliance of Whitaker's performance. Nobody argued that it was a draw. Not even Chavez fans.

Boxing is not perfect, and has a lot of things that it'd be nice to see fixed, but it's not sports entertainment either.

Many times you'll see the promoters boy or the favored fighter get his ass handed to him. If it were pre-determined you could stop that everytime.